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Isaiah 13:11
And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

This prophesy was fulfilled when the Medes sacked Babylon in 539 BC (Isaiah 13:17)
You have stripped this verse out of it's context (Isaiah warning 500's BC Babylon about it's impending Sacking by the Medeo-persian Armies) and have used your 21st century lens to over-apply it somewhere completely foreign and unrecognizable to The Prophet Isaiah..
 
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Why so testy, parousia?

I'm not testy at all... I just have an eye for claims that are demonstrably false, and I tend to point them out for our readers when I see them.
 
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I'm not testy at all... I just have an eye for claims that are demonstrably false, and I tend to point them out for our readers when I see them.
How about pointing them out to me? I don't even see anyone making claims, let alone claims that are demonstrably false. All this thread is about is keeping an account of catastrophes with the understanding that before Christ's return these catastrophes will resemble birth pangs (see Rom. 8:22).
 
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Thanks, this is a lot to consider. I will watch to see what type of upheaval we see in the world system that may relate to these geological contractions. There have been a lot of volcanoes erupting also, three or four per day.

I live in Salt Lake City, Utah, and I have to admit I'm beginning to get a little nervous here. Tonight on Channel 2 News (the local news station) they announced seismologists have just reassessed the chance of a major 7.8 earthquake here in the Salt Lake area at a 50 % probability in the next ten years. Formerly the probability was only around 20 percent. Government services here in Salt Lake are conducting an "unscheduled" emergency earthquake drill simulating a 7.0 quake this week.

Last week I was awakened at around 2 AM by a bump that slightly bounced my bed just a few inches. It was only one bounce, so I went back to sleep. The next day other residents of the apartment building confirmed they had experienced the same thing at around the same time. I wonder if this wasn't a "precursor" shock that got the attention of seismologist and resulted in the hurried drill here in Salt Lake. Has anyone else heard about earthquake probabilities increasing in their area ???

Some pretty controversial events involving the LDS Church have taken place here in SLC this month. There was the incident in which a female student at Brigham Young University was raped, and her case was brought before the Honor Code Committee of the University for investigation and possible disciplinary action. In another case, a church member was "excommunicated" by the LDS Church for publicly criticizing its' history and doctrine. I wonder if these things are not somehow connected ?!

In September 2015 twenty one people died in Utah from flash floods. Twelve of these fatalities took place in a small town called Hildale, pop. 2,726 (a fundamentalist LDS enclave where many adults in the community still practice polygamy). To this day, I wonder if that flash flood that devastated Hildale, wasn't an "act of God" and a warning.

I hope and pray God isn't fixing to smite SLC with a major earthquake. Three fault lines come together here in SLC, and they are about 100 years overdue for a big one.
 
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I live in Salt Lake City, Utah, and I have to admit I'm beginning to get a little nervous here. Tonight on Channel 2 News (the local news station) they announced seismologists have just reassessed the chance of a major 7.8 earthquake here in the Salt Lake area at a 50 % probability in the next ten years. Formerly the probability was only around 20 percent. Government services here in Salt Lake are conducting an "unscheduled" emergency earthquake drill simulating a 7.0 quake this week.

Last week I was awakened at around 2 AM by a bump that slightly bounced my bed just a few inches. It was only one bounce, so I went back to sleep. The next day other residents of the apartment building confirmed they had experienced the same thing at around the same time. I wonder if this wasn't a "precursor" shock that got the attention of seismologist and resulted in the hurried drill here in Salt Lake. Has anyone else heard about earthquake probabilities increasing in their area ???

Some pretty controversial events involving the LDS Church have taken place here in SLC this month. There was the incident in which a female student at Brigham Young University was raped, and her case was brought before the Honor Code Committee of the University for investigation and possible disciplinary action. In another case, a church member was "excommunicated" by the LDS Church for publicly criticizing its' history and doctrine. I wonder if these things are not somehow connected ?!

In September 2015 twenty one people died in Utah from flash floods. Twelve of these fatalities took place in a small town called Hildale, pop. 2,726 (a fundamentalist LDS enclave where many adults in the community still practice polygamy). To this day, I wonder if that flash flood that devastated Hildale, wasn't an "act of God" and a warning.

I hope and pray God isn't fixing to smite SLC with a major earthquake. Three fault lines come together here in SLC, and they are about 100 years overdue for a big one.

Brother,I will send up a prayer for SLC for your sake. We know certain things are going to happen, but there is no need to fear. As you know, the world is reeling and rocking with many contractions.Sometimes I wonder what more our Father has to do before people realize that it is time to repent. Houston Texas is under water as we speak and people are being evacuated.Will they repent? I doubt it. Here is an article about that.
Homes damaged, at least 5 dead in massive Houston flooding
Michael Graczyk, Associated Press
April 19, 2016

HOUSTON (AP) -- More than a foot of rain had fallen by Monday evening in parts of Houston, submerging scores of subdivisions and several major interstate highways, forcing the closure of schools and knocking out power to thousands of residents who were urged to shelter in place.

At least five fatalities appeared to be weather related, authorities said.

Sylvester Turner, mayor of the nation's fourth-largest city, told residents to stay home to fend off a weather system he called "stubborn." More rain was projected over the next two to three days, although heavy downpours had subsided and only another half-inch was expected through Monday night, he said.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/houston-area-submerged-16-inches-rain-24-hours-130140208.html?ref=gs
 
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April 18, 2016 8:20 pm JST
Unusual quake cluster worries Japan
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Rescuers and a search dog check the damage around a landslide area caused by earthquakes in Minamiaso, Kumamoto prefecture on April 17. © AP

TOKYO -- Seismic activity in southern Japan is mystifying geologists and keeping the nation on edge.

The island of Kyushu has been struck by a series of significant earthquakes, with the epicenters moving progressively further inland. The cluster started with the deadly quakes that hit Kumamoto Prefecture last Thursday and Saturday. Temblors subsequently rocked the Mount Aso region and neighboring Oita Prefecture.

There is a known concentration of faults in the area. Still, experts say it is highly unusual to have a string of quakes measuring around magnitude 6 and stretching over such a vast area. The epicenter of the Oita jolt was about 100km away from the first Kumamoto quake.

Read more at the link.
http://asia.nikkei.com/Features/Kyushu-earthquakes/Unusual-quake-cluster-worries-Japan
 
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HOUSTON (AP) -- More than a foot of rain had fallen by Monday evening in parts of Houston, submerging scores of subdivisions and several major interstate highways, forcing the closure of schools and knocking out power to thousands of residents who were urged to shelter in place.


My aunt lives in the suburb just NE of Houston in a town called Humble (pronounced Umble). I lived in Houston a couple of years after hurricane Katrina destroyed my home in New Orleans. So far, the flooding on the NE side hasn't been too bad. Downtown Houston is pretty inaccessible though and more rain is expected over the next couple of days.

"Urged to shelter in place" ?!.. Where have I heard that one before ? Hurricane Katrina maybe ??? Most people in the United States are unaware FEMA and Homeland Security has no plan to evacuate the population of a major city under any circumstances. Hurricane, earthquake, nuclear plant accident, chemical or biological terrorist attack, nuclear war, whatever... The plan is the same... "Shelter in Place". Oh ! With the possible exception of our nation's capital. That the politicians have a plan for, (excluding the civilian population of D.C. of course).

As a former sheriff deputy and fire captain for eight years, I can tell you for a fact, FEMA has issued radiological dose pens and measurement equipment (meters) to every police, fire and emergency medical department in every major city in the United States. If you live in a city with a population over 70,000 thousand, your local government has this equipment ready. All city and county police and emergency personnel will be federalized. In the event of a nuclear attack, war, or catastrophic natural disaster, the plan is "Containment", or the euphemism for the mass sacrifice of civilian lives.. "Shelter in Place".

That was the real purpose of the Jade Helm 15 exercise. It was a dress rehearsal drill for the dispersal of U.S. forces to remote locations on private land throughout the South West United States away from military bases that will be targeted in the event of a nuclear war. The U.S. government cover story was, it was done in order to train ground forces for future deployment overseas. Does that story even make sense ???

Why was the exercise not carried out on military bases where combat has been simulated and combat training has traditionally been conducted in the past ? Why were only elite special forces troops involved, instead of regular infantry that would have benefitted more from that kind of special training ? Why were FEMA, Homeland Security and state law enforcement agencies included in the exercise ? From the standpoint of overseas combat training, nothing about the Jade Helm 15 operation makes any sense.

The truth is, the special forces involved in Jade Helm 15 were training as "pathfinder" units. Their mission was to prepare remote locations to receive one million U.S. ground forces that will be dispersed throughout the United States in the event of a nuclear attack.

When the government starts taking steps like this to prepare for the Apocalypse, I think the rest of us can safely assume the worst is about to happen.
 
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How about pointing them out to me? I don't even see anyone making claims, let alone claims that are demonstrably false.

LOL I already did. You claimed to be a "literalist", which is demonstrably false.
You spiritualize and elasticize all manner of scriptures to suit your view.
I'm sure like most of us here you truly love and serve the Lord as best you can, but You are no literalist.
Might be best if you simply stopped claiming that you are.

All this thread is about is keeping an account of catastrophes with the understanding that before Christ's return these catastrophes will resemble birth pangs (see Rom. 8:22).

Seismic, tectonic events are nothing new for Planet earth, it's business as usual.
Nothing we've seen in recorded History or in the geologic record indicates than whats going on now is any worse or any closer together than at any time in history, in fact the geologic record contains evidence that it has been MUCH MUCH worse in earth's past than it is now.

Even the USGS cites that Global Earthquake activity at either a constant rate or on decline - not really "increasing birth pang" worthy.
It Ebbs and Flows with each passing generation and will continue to do so forever.(Ecc 1:4)
 
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When the government starts taking steps like this to prepare for the Apocalypse, I think the rest of us can safely assume the worst is about to happen.

Do you have locks your doors?
If so, do you do have them because you are certain there will be a home invasion attempted upon you, or do you have them as a precaution?

I have locks on my doors. Have had then in every house I have lived in and I lock them every day.
Not once has anyone uninvited attempted to gain entry to my home, and it probably will never happen.

I still lock my doors every day.
 
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LOL I already did. You claimed to be a "literalist", which is demonstrably false.

Don't pay Parousia70 any mind Dysert. If he was there in Noah's day, he would have been shouting, "What ?! It's just rain everybody !!! It has rained before and stopped, and it's going to rain again and stop ! This ain't the End of the World !... Lol.

He brings up the holocaust as an example of real death and destruction, but he forgets many of those victims were German Jews, (Some of them decorated veterans of WWI) who didn't heed the warning signs and only realized what was coming after it was too late to escape. That's the real lesson of the holocaust.

He's not going to believe the Apocalypse is here until he sees billions of people dead. Maybe not even then.
 
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I live in Salt Lake City, Utah, and I have to admit I'm beginning to get a little nervous here.

Ha! You don't know nervous!
You should move to Portland Oregon where I live!
The Cascadia subduction zone shifts about every 300-ish years and completely devastates the topography here...
tsunamis, destruction, catastrophe....
We are 350 years into the latest cycle.....
 
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He's not going to believe the Apocalypse is here until he sees billions of people dead. Maybe not even then.

Sure I'll believe it then... but I'm not going to waste my time crying "Apocalypse wolf" at every flood that kills 25 people either...
That stuff just gives Christianity a bad name and serves no Godly purpose.
 
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Don't pay Parousia70 any mind Dysert. If he was there in Noah's day, he would have been shouting, "What ?! It's just rain everybody !!! It has rained before and stopped, and it's going to rain again and stop ! This ain't the End of the World !... Lol.

Funniest apart about that is if you were there then, you would have been saying the same thing, you know, since you aren't Noah or His 7 family members...
 
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LOL I already did. You claimed to be a "literalist", which is demonstrably false.
You spiritualize and elasticize all manner of scriptures to suit your view.
I'm sure like most of us here you truly love and serve the Lord as best you can, but You are no literalist.
Might be best if you simply stopped claiming that you are.
In theology, a literalist is someone who takes the text literally when the context allows for it. So, for example, I don't think Jesus is a literal door or a literal vine, but I do think there will be a literal 1000 years of Christ's millennial rule. You might call that elasticizing, but I think it's rightly dividing.
 
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Sure I'll believe it then... but I'm not going to waste my time crying "Apocalypse wolf" at every flood that kills 25 people either...
That stuff just gives Christianity a bad name and serves no Godly purpose.
I don't think any of us is crying "Apocalypse wolf" (at least I'm not). We are merely reporting on the recent spate of natural catastrophes. I made a reference to Matt. 24:8. In context, here's the passage:

Mat 24:4-8 -> Then Jesus replied to them: "Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Messiah,' and they will deceive many. You are going to hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, because these things must take place, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these events are the beginning of birth pains.

I realize "but the end is not yet" and that the events Jesus spoke of are just the *beginning* of birth pains. So, no wolf, no date setting, no alarmism; just observations that may or may not indicate the beginning of signs of the end.
 
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I thought they were called "birth pains", never heard of "birth pangs" before.

But it sure as heck doesn't make earth a better place.. :(
Depends on the version you're reading (the NAS uses "pangs").
 
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