Maybe, "three nights and three days" ?

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Except it wasn't purchased on Friday....

Sure they were.

 

[BukiRob]

Sure they were.

No they werent

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No they werent

Sorry that you have to keep repeating yourself being wrong...

 

[BukiRob]

Sorry that you have to keep repeating yourself being wrong...

Right back at you pal

 

[Daniel Gregg]

Briefly no, because it is quoted from Jonah 1:17 which is Hebrew and the Hebrew order is "three days and three nights" and not "three nights and three days. The matter is explained according to this chart. Your fundamental problem is the traditional assumption that a day begins at sunset. It does not.

Is it possible"three days and three nights" is a Greek mistranslation being that their day didn't begin at sundown like the Jewish day? Are we to assume that a Greek translation of a original Aramic text (Matthew 12:40) is without any translation error when Hebrew is read from right to left.

Jonah 1:17 (Hebrew Bible)
י u·iei and·he-is-becoming ינָה iune Jonah בִּ מְ עֵ י b·moi in·bowels-of הַ דָּ ג e·dg the·fish שְׁ 1שָׁ ה shlshe three יָמִ ים imim days וּשְׁ 1שָׁ ה u·shlshe and·three לֵ ילת liluth nights

As we know Hebrew text (Jonah 1:17) is read from right to left which one could argue could be translated as "three nights and three days." This would then negate both a Wednesday and Friday crucifixion without the need for any so-called "synecdoche" logic; while legitimizing a 5th day (Thursday) crucifixion as well as all relevant verses (e.g. "after three days"). In other words sometime into the 4th day.

Just maybe, Matthew 12:40 should instead have been translated as ...
"For as Jonah was three nights and three days in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three nights and three days in the heart of the earth." (Matthew 12:40)

Night 1 = 5th day beginning at sundown to 5th day sunrise (12 hrs)
Day 1 = 5th day sunrise to 5th day sunsetting (12 hrs)
Night 2 = 6th day beginning at sundown to 6th day sunrise (12 hrs)
Day 2 = 6th day sunrise to 6th day sunsetting (12 hrs)
Night 3 = 7th day beginning at sundown to 7th day sunrise (12 hrs)
Day 3 = 7th day sunrise to 7th day sunsetting (12 hrs)
Night 4 = 1st day beginning at sundown to 1st day sunrise when Mary approached the tomb.
Is it not possible that Yeshua rose sometime during the first half of the 1st day of the week just before sunrise ("after three days")?​

There are other parallels to support "after three days" (into the 4th day) ...

There was a reason why Lazarus was in the tomb more than three days. Jesus waited four days because He knew of the Jewish superstition of that time. It was believed a soul stayed near the grave for three days, hoping to return to the body. Therefore, it was generally believed that by the fourth day there was no hope of resuscitation.

Revelation 9:8-10 NKJV
8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves.
10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.
11 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them.

 

[Daniel Gregg]

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The above chart fails to realize that the third day is counted including the crucifixion. The third day from today always makes today the first day. Three days are counted like this.

 

[Daniel Gregg]

Oh boy I confused. I guess I'm stuck on modern day/night and have a hard time converting the two ( Jewish nights being the beginning of the day). In those terms did Jesus getting crucified on a Wednesday and that being considered a day contributing to the time in the tomb? I hope someone can make sense of this post because I think I confused myself even more

Traditional Judaism has many errors. One of these as pointed out by Eben Ezra and Jacob Milgrom (JPS Torah Commentary) is the teaching that a day begins at sunset. This view is not according to the Messianic Faith. Only Sabbaths begin at sunset. The rest of days begin at dawn as explained here:

Source: TWOT.

 

[Soyeong]

The above chart fails to realize that the third day is counted including the crucifixion. The third day from today always makes today the first day. Three days are counted like this.

I think you made the case that "on the third day" means "the day after tomorrow", but us that the same as "three days and three nights"? I can agree that the right side of the arrow might be up to 12 hours earlier.

 

[Hank77]

Your fundamental problem is the traditional assumption that a day begins at sunset. It does not.

This isn't about the sunset. I noticed that your chart says that Yeshua died on the 7th day Sabbath and quotes Lev.

Lev 23:15 `And ye have numbered to you from the morrow of the sabbath, from the day of your bringing in the sheaf of the wave-offering: they are seven perfect sabbaths;
Lev 23:16 unto the morrow of the seventh sabbath ye do number fifty days, and ye have brought near a new present to Yehovah;

Maybe I am misunderstanding something here, but the morrow of the sabbath is the day after the sabbath. So that would be the 1st day of the week. This would be the day of omer or firstfruits. Yeshua was the Firstfruits of the Resurrection, correct?

 

[Hank77]

Traditional Judaism has many errors. One of these as pointed out by Eben Ezra and Jacob Milgrom (JPS Torah Commentary) is the teaching that a day begins at sunset. This view is not according to the Messianic Faith. Only Sabbaths begin at sunset. The rest of days begin at dawn as explained here:

Source: TWOT.

The last paragraph makes sense to me. This is when I personally think the Yeshua was raised from the dead. "Between the evenings" of the 7th day and the 8th day (or 1st day of the week). He ascended as the Firstfruits as the omer was being lifted up on the 8th day.
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith to her, `Be not touching me, for I have not yet ascended unto my Father; and be going on to my brethren, and say to them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and to your God.'

 

[daq]

Traditional Judaism has many errors. One of these as pointed out by Eben Ezra and Jacob Milgrom (JPS Torah Commentary) is the teaching that a day begins at sunset. This view is not according to the Messianic Faith. Only Sabbaths begin at sunset. The rest of days begin at dawn as explained here:

Source: TWOT.

An evening and a morning are a day but what about Genesis 24:11? The "time of evening" accordingly begins "about the time that the women go out to draw water", (see also John 4). Perhaps evening then consists of about five hours while the morning is seven? That would make twelve hours in a day, the light having been divided from the darkness, (though depending on the time of year not every hour is lighted completely). The time "between the evenings" would therefore consist of about five hours commencing with the going down of the sun, that is, from the hour after the sun has reached its zenith or apex in the arch of the sky and has begun its downward trek toward the shadows of the west. Every seventh hour of every day is therefore a Shabbat, (called the sabbasin in the Gospel accounts) while the seventh hour of the seventh day is a Shabbat in its Shabbat, (as it is written). If this be true then the day does not commence with the morning dawn but with the dawn of evening. Imagine the havoc this might play on the mind which reads the Gospel accounts not understanding such things: I shutter to think about it, (hehe).
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[Daniel Gregg]

I think you made the case that "on the third day" means "the day after tomorrow", but us that the same as "three days and three nights"? I can agree that the right side of the arrow might be up to 12 hours earlier.

The answer is yes. It is the same because the calendar day is a day and a night.

 

[Daniel Gregg]

An evening and a morning are a day but what about Genesis 24:11? The "time of evening" accordingly begins "about the time that the women go out to draw water", (see also John 4). Perhaps evening then consists of about five hours while the morning is seven? That would make twelve hours in a day, the light having been divided from the darkness, (though depending on the time of year not every hour is lighted completely). The time "between the evenings" would therefore consist of about five hours commencing with the going down of the sun, that is, from the hour after the sun has reached its zenith or apex in the arch of the sky and has begun its downward trek toward the shadows of the west. Every seventh hour of every day is therefore a Shabbat, (called the sabbasin in the Gospel accounts) while the seventh hour of the seventh day is a Shabbat in its Shabbat, (as it is written). If this be true then the day does not commence with the morning dawn but with the dawn of evening. Imagine the havoc this might play on the mind which reads the Gospel accounts not understanding such things: I shutter to think about it, (hehe).
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I'll give you three chances to heckle me. We will take the first clause of your first sentence. Here is something to sober you up from TWOT:

 

[Daniel Gregg]

The last paragraph makes sense to me. This is when I personally think the Yeshua was raised from the dead. "Between the evenings" of the 7th day and the 8th day (or 1st day of the week). He ascended as the Firstfruits as the omer was being lifted up on the 8th day.
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith to her, `Be not touching me, for I have not yet ascended unto my Father; and be going on to my brethren, and say to them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and to your God.'

Re: first day of the week:

You have too much faith in human translators that run the Easter Sunday Church.

 

[daq]

I'll give you three chances to heckle me. We will take the first clause of your first sentence. Here is something to sober you up from TWOT:

That final "hehe" in my comments was not to heckle you but rather concerning all of the theories that have been forwarded around these parts in the past month or so, (and I do not remember seeing you posting in any of them). However what you just reposted herein, which I have now quoted, I already read all of it the first time you posted it; and it does not change anything presented in my previous post:

Genesis 24:11
11 And he made his camels to kneel down without the city by a well of water at the time of the evening, even the time that women go out to draw water.

Exodus 12:6
6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it between the evenings.

Deuteronomy 16:6
6 But at the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name in, there thou shalt sacrifice the Passover at evening, at the going down of the sun, at the season that thou camest forth out of Egypt.

Evening time commences at the time for going out to draw water, (again see John 4 also because the seventh hour of the day commences in the midst of that conversation when Yeshua says, "the hour comes, and now it is"), and the Passover is to be slain between the evenings at or during the going down of the sun. The same is exactly what we find was done in all of the sources I know of. In this case the counting, (numerically) of the commencement of a day would not affect the day in which the Passover was slain so long as Exodus 12 was being strictly observed, (and it was) because the morning of that day is the fourteenth when all leaven must be purged from the houses and the land.
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[Daniel Gregg]

This isn't about the sunset. I noticed that your chart says that Yeshua died on the 7th day Sabbath and quotes Lev.

Lev 23:15 `And ye have numbered to you from the morrow of the sabbath, from the day of your bringing in the sheaf of the wave-offering: they are seven perfect sabbaths;
Lev 23:16 unto the morrow of the seventh sabbath ye do number fifty days, and ye have brought near a new present to Yehovah;

Maybe I am misunderstanding something here, but the morrow of the sabbath is the day after the sabbath. So that would be the 1st day of the week. This would be the day of omer or firstfruits. Yeshua was the Firstfruits of the Resurrection, correct?

You are. The chart does not say he died on the 7th day. It says he rose from the dead on the 7th day. The Sabbath in Lev. 23:11 is the annual one-- Nisan 15.

 

[Daniel Gregg]

An evening and a morning are a day

Rewind Daq. This what you claimed. What is between evening and morning is a NIGHT. Genesis 1:3-5 is set up like this:

 

[Hank77]

Re: first day of the week:

You have too much faith in human translators that run the Easter Sunday Church.

The translation I usually use doesn't say "the week"...I use Young's Literal Translation.

Joh 20:1 And on the first of the sabbaths, Mary the Magdalene doth come early (there being yet darkness) to the tomb, and she seeth the stone having been taken away out of the tomb,

I believe this means the first of the 7 perfect sabbath weeks, the counting to the Feast of Weeks, Pentecost.

Please, no more comments such as this one.....
"You have too much faith in human translators that run the Easter Sunday Church."
Thanks.

 

[Hank77]

You are. The chart does not say he died on the 7th day. It says he rose from the dead on the 7th day. The Sabbath in Lev. 23:11 is the annual one-- Nisan 15.

Ahh....yeah, that is what I meant, that he rose on the 7th day, that is why I spoke of Him as the Firstfruits. Can't be Firstfruits and still be in the grave.
Sorry about that.

 

[Daniel Gregg]

The translation I usually use doesn't say "the week"...I use Young's Literal Translation.

Joh 20:1 And on the first of the sabbaths, Mary the Magdalene doth come early (there being yet darkness) to the tomb, and she seeth the stone having been taken away out of the tomb,

I believe this means the first of the 7 perfect sabbath weeks, the counting to the Feast of Weeks, Pentecost.

Please, no more comments such as this one.....
"You have too much faith in human translators that run the Easter Sunday Church."
Thanks.

Your position is unclear. But you did mentioned 1st day of the week. So which is it. Sabbath or the 1st day of the week that you think he was raised on?

The first of the Sabbaths is always the weekly Sabbath after Passover: