LDS Why do Mormons think all Christians are in apostasy?

[ToBeLoved]

"But ye shall be named the Priests of the Lord: men shall call you the Ministers of our God:..... and I will direct their work in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them.... I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels" Isa 61

No wonder Mormonism tries to claim Hebrew descent. But they are not. This is a false claim according to many, many sources and the Book of Abraham was a forgery of Egyptian hyroglifs that were taken from an Egyptian pharoah buriel and reinterpreted by JS. Now that they know what the Egyptian heiroglyphs are saying and the exact photo that was changed.

There is much documentation of the falsehood presented.

 

[Jutta2]

It's interesting how now that Mormonism is trying to go into Africa and South Africa, that they are dropping the coloreds doctrine. WOW. New revelation of man. Revelation changes are 'quite' convenient for that religion.

This is an interesting, instructive, and in phases, sad story. It shows how gullible are Mormons. Until 1978 was, who bears a drop of Negro blood in him, a LDS man can't received the priesthood. Then the LDS Church got problems. From the outside, through the civil rights movement that wanted to sue the church; and from the inside, because the leadership had built a temple in Brazil, a country almost has by any dark-skinned blood.
The civil rights movement in the neck, a temple to the jaw, which can not be used. So what to do. Mormons then always did the same: A new revelation is needed. And so the former Mormon Prophet Kimball gave in 1978 a "revelation" out, which every worthy young man, regardless of skin color; can get that priesthood. And, although a few years ago the Mormon leaders say full, that at the bid nothing is changed (except the Lord says something else. That is why this revelation was also so badly needed).

 

[Jutta2]

Do you know anything about the temple garments having an 'L' and 'V' on them, for the masonic square and compass? I heard these are on the temple garments as well as 'L' and 'V' symbols are cut into the temple veil that the voice talks through and puts their hands through to do the masonic handshakes.

There are in this garment sewn mark on chest, navel and the knee. However, Mormons refer to these characters not as Masonic, but as of God by Smith revealed. Whereby the meanings of the characters between Masons and Mormons sign. This is well aware of Mormon historians. A Mr. Durham (I hope I write the name correctly) pointed out. Suddenly it was said that not the Mormons had stolen from the Freemasons, but the Masons of the Mormons, or the Temple of Solomon, and the Masons only a perverted form practicing while Mormons would use the pure unadulterated rituals. And you know what? Mormons believe this nonsense too!

 

[Jutta2]

Another interesting point about the temple garments is that when Joseph Smith died he was NOT wearing temple garments.

Isn't that odd?

I didn't know, if this is true or just a rumor. But it would make sense, because shortly before his death, he call the Freemasons for help.

 

[tickingclocker]

It is a reminder of the covenants we make in the temple....

That's very true. Garments are LDS Mormons chosen reminder of their faith, just as a stole is to a Catholic priest, a prayer shawl to a Jewish Rabbi, a red bindi on a Hindu's forehead, a cross necklace to the Christian, etc, etc. However, what mormon can honestly testify they haven't poked fun, somehow demeaned, or even thought negatively about what others wear or display as symbols of their faith? Come on. Fess up, if just to yourselves. I've personally witnessed Mormons demeaning the Cross I believe to be a symbol of God's love. But why respond with shaking an offended finger in their faces, no matter how often you hear or sense it being judged? I realize they can't demean "me" unless I give them permission, however, they are demeaning what (and who) that Cross represents to me. Do they realize the same? That's for Jesus to determine. Not me.

So if everyone would simply respect each other's right to their chosen religious symbols, and stop the judgmental attitudes on THEIR END, despite whatever intentional or imagined goading takes place, we could all prove Jesus was right about HIS GOSPEL of LOVE. People's backs go up instantly without actually "hearing" what is being said on these types of forums all the time. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen when it comes to poor behavior from others. NO one knows how to love perfectly, let alone all the time. Reflect on how much you choose to "think the best of others", put it aside, or leave, is the best anyone can do. But to lash out in frustration or anger? That is nothing short of selfishness, according to Jesus. So don't go away thinking that YOU don't need reminding yourselves once in a while, Mormons. There's too much lashing out on this forum from you guys. You always seem so... angry! No wonder people can rile some of you so quickly. It's easy entertainment for too many, and YOU alone let it be.

Mormons tell me all the time they are SO tired of the garment meme. I don't blame them. But not every Christian is out to demean LDS garments or passing judgment on the person when asking questions about them either. Consider as much--Christians are just as tired of their crosses being smirked at by Mormons. Would you make fun of a Tongan war dance as much as you think its okay of Christian crosses? No. So, what did Jesus say to do about such a thing, IF we all claim Him as our Savior? STOP on your end. YOU alone control your tongue (or in this case, fingers). No one else. Don't respond in kind, in other words. Take a breath first, count to 10, whatever it takes to consider the context. Wearing those garments while lashing out with frustration isn't exactly remembering that covenant. Consider WHY you are frustrated or angry, and bring it to the Lord to deal with. Not to everyone BUT Him.

Now, if you wish to take this as offense, do what you CHOOSE to do with it, my neighbors. I appreciate those who knock my pegs down to where humility can shape them. In love. I do not when they fail to CHOOSE love.

 

[fatboys]

That's very true. Garments are LDS Mormons chosen reminder of their faith, just as a stole is to a Catholic priest, a prayer shawl to a Jewish Rabbi, a red bindi on a Hindu's forehead, a cross necklace to the Christian, etc, etc. However, what mormon can honestly testify they haven't poked fun, somehow demeaned, or even thought negatively about what others wear or display as symbols of their faith? Come on. Fess up, if just to yourselves. I've personally witnessed Mormons demeaning the Cross I believe to be a symbol of God's love. But why respond with shaking an offended finger in their faces, no matter how often you hear or sense it being judged? I realize they can't demean "me" unless I give them permission, however, they are demeaning what (and who) that Cross represents to me. Do they realize the same? That's for Jesus to determine. Not me.

So if everyone would simply respect each other's right to their chosen religious symbols, and stop the judgmental attitudes on THEIR END, despite whatever intentional or imagined goading takes place, we could all prove Jesus was right about HIS GOSPEL of LOVE. People's backs go up instantly without actually "hearing" what is being said on these types of forums all the time. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen when it comes to poor behavior from others. NO one knows how to love perfectly, let alone all the time. Reflect on how much you choose to "think the best of others", put it aside, or leave, is the best anyone can do. But to lash out in frustration or anger? That is nothing short of selfishness, according to Jesus. So don't go away thinking that YOU don't need reminding yourselves once in a while, Mormons. There's too much lashing out on this forum from you guys. You always seem so... angry! No wonder people can rile some of you so quickly. It's easy entertainment for too many, and YOU alone let it be.

Mormons tell me all the time they are SO tired of the garment meme. I don't blame them. But not every Christian is out to demean LDS garments or passing judgment on the person when asking questions about them either. Consider as much--Christians are just as tired of their crosses being smirked at by Mormons. Would you make fun of a Tongan war dance as much as you think its okay of Christian crosses? No. So, what did Jesus say to do about such a thing, IF we all claim Him as our Savior? STOP on your end. YOU alone control your tongue (or in this case, fingers). No one else. Don't respond in kind, in other words. Take a breath first, count to 10, whatever it takes to consider the context. Wearing those garments while lashing out with frustration isn't exactly remembering that covenant. Consider WHY you are frustrated or angry, and bring it to the Lord to deal with. Not to everyone BUT Him.

Now, if you wish to take this as offense, do what you CHOOSE to do with it, my neighbors. I appreciate those who knock my pegs down to where humility can shape them. In love. I do not when they fail to CHOOSE love.

If Mormons do mock they are in judgement of GOD And have committed a sin and needs to repent. If you can find on line here where Mormons have made fun of any ones belief especially things that are considered sacred please reference it.

 

[withwonderingawe]

What have these verses got to do with any of this??? The Priesthood came to an end at the cross---we are clothed with Christ's Righteousness---there are no clothing made on this entire planet that can make us righteous. It is the blood of Jesus that cleanses and makes righteous, that is what makes the garments white--wearing white garments, means nothing.

Matt 9
6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
7 And he arose, and departed to his house.
8 But when the multitudes saw it, they marvelled, and glorified God, which had given such power unto men.

Matt 10
1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease… And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

Now this is why we know the world went into apostasy

2Tim 3:5
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, …..Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away….Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.


Additional NT Scriptures

Act 3
6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.
7 And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength.

Note it wasn't a prayer of Father please bless him but a command in the name of Jesus Christ!

Act 14
23 And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.

Rom 13
1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

You are not "clothed with Christ's Righteousness" because you resisteth the power and the ordinances of God, you do not wear" the garments of salvation... the robe of righteousness" Isa 61 You deny there is even a priesthood at all.


Titus 1
5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

James 5
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

1 Peter 2
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, …. but as the servants of God…. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

Rev 1
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness….hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

There is no passage which says the priesthood has ended except one, which I will get to when I post my long version of the apostasy.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Now this is why we know the world went into apostasy

2Tim 3:5
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, …..Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away….Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

You do know that Christ died around 33 AD? And that Mormonism says the church went into apostasy in the first century.

Not that it says in the last days. The last days for Jesus is not the first century, we can see that in 2016 AD.

This reminds me more of Mormonism.

 

[ToBeLoved]

There is no passage which says the priesthood has ended except one, which I will get to when I post my long version of the apostasy.

I'm actually very interested to read it.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Matt 9
6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
7 And he arose, and departed to his house.
8 But when the multitudes saw it, they marvelled, and glorified God, which had given such power unto men.

Matt 10
1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease… And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

Now this is why we know the world went into apostasy

2Tim 3:5
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, …..Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away….Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.


Additional NT Scriptures

Act 3
6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.
7 And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength.

Note it wasn't a prayer of Father please bless him but a command in the name of Jesus Christ!

Act 14
23 And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.

Rom 13
1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

You are not "clothed with Christ's Righteousness" because you resisteth the power and the ordinances of God, you do not wear" the garments of salvation... the robe of righteousness" Isa 61 You deny there is even a priesthood at all.

Let's not assume that the apostles gave the Mormon church anything. The apostles didn't even have the 'Priesthood of Melchezedek' that shows how much you know. Did you know the Mason's have a level that is called the same, "Priesthood of Melchezedek'

It might do you some good to Google that.

 

[mmksparbud]

Matt 9
6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
7 And he arose, and departed to his house.
8 But when the multitudes saw it, they marvelled, and glorified God, which had given such power unto men.

Matt 10
1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease… And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

Now this is why we know the world went into apostasy



Additional NT Scriptures

Act 3
6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.
7 And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength.

Note it wasn't a prayer of Father please bless him but a command in the name of Jesus Christ!

Act 14
23 And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.

Rom 13
1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

You are not "clothed with Christ's Righteousness" because you resisteth the power and the ordinances of God, you do not wear" the garments of salvation... the robe of righteousness" Isa 61 You deny there is even a priesthood at all.


Titus 1
5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

James 5
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

1 Peter 2
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, …. but as the servants of God…. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

Rev 1
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness….hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

There is no passage which says the priesthood has ended except one, which I will get to when I post my long version of the apostasy.

Yes--The "Son of man" has power on earth to forgive sins---He was talking about Himself---I can forgive what you do to me, but Jesus forgives all sins. Not one of these verses has one single thing about a priesthood. Elders, deacons, bishops, never priesthood. That was done away with at the cross and to reinstitute it goes totally against the word of God. The whole of the book of Hebrews makes that clear.
I do not resist the power of God---just the power of men who think they speak in the name of God but are proven false. The disciples commanded and healed---there is not one time where any disciple said, "I forgive you your sins."---Get up and walk, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead even yes!!---I forgive you your sins??--Never!! We can only forgive what is done to us.

2Co_2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ;

Luk_17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

Luk_17:4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

You claim this as prove of apostasy?

Now this is why we know the world went into apostasy

2Tim 3:5
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, …..Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away….Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Who denies the power of God---those who claim as the bible says that there is no other God, that Jesus is, as the bible says, His One and Only real actual Son, That God, through Jesus created everything, that God formed Adam and Eve and breathed life into them and they became a living soul, that believe His word when it states

Isa_55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.


Or is it those who say, God is the God of this world, but there are other Gods of other worlds, that Jesus is one of many, that od did not create everything and other Gods create other worlds, that Adam and Eve existed as us existed before they were created, that believe God could not keep His word "but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it."--??? Who is the one denying the Power of God? Those who say we are clothed with the righteousness of the cleansing blood of Christ--or those who say we need special garments, signs and rituals to have that righteousness?? Those who say God is God, always was, always will be---God is God, the one and only, He is

Num_23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Or are those that deny His power those that say He was once a man before becoming God?


1 Peter 2
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, …. but as the servants of God…. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

Who denies the power of God? Those that believe as the bible says that WE ARE ALL A ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, AN HOLY NATION-or those that say there are only those certain ones that can be priests??---It is not us who deny the power of the Most High God!!! The One and Only,

Isa_44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

 

[ToBeLoved]

If Mormons do mock they are in judgement of GOD And have committed a sin and needs to repent. If you can find on line here where Mormons have made fun of any ones belief especially things that are considered sacred please reference it.

Isn't this past mean, but hateful? I accidently posted this also in another thead. Isn't the internet swell?

"What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world"

- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 270


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"...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels."

- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. , The Elders Journal, v. 1, no. 4, p. 60



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“Nothing less than a complete apostasy from the Christian religion would warrant the establishment of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.”

- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., History of the Church, v. 1, p. xl

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Prophet Brigham Young (1801 - 1877):

“He did send His angel to this same obscure person, Joseph Smith jun., who afterwards became a Prophet, Seer, and Revelator, and informed him that he should not join any of the religious sects of the day, for they were all wrong; that they were following the precepts of men instead of the Lord Jesus; that He had a work for him to perform, inasmuch as he should prove faithful before Him.”

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 2, p. 171


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"Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth."

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 6, p. 176


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"When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was groveling in darkness."

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 5, p. 73

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"With a regard to true theology, ."a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 199


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"The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God"

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 171


Do you even own quotes from your own prophets? It doesn't get any higher. Hateful

Aren't your prophets suppose to be perfect in the gospel and deed? You just said above "it is a sin, and they must repent"

There you go, referenced for you

 

[withwonderingawe]

Let's not assume that the apostles gave the Mormon church anything. The apostles didn't even have the 'Priesthood of Melchezedek' that shows how much you know. Did you know the Mason's have a level that is called the same, "Priesthood of Melchezedek'

It might do you some good to Google that.

ummm they copied it out of the Bible, that's not hard to figure out. I found a Masonic Manual by Robert Macoy revised edition 1867 their priesthood ordination is nothing like ours. And, while they quote Bible scriptures concerning the Melchezdek priesthood they don't call it that, they call it "ORDER OF HIGH PRIESTHOOD". They have a very elaborate ceremony which we don't have, instead we follow the Biblical pattern in Acts 6

"Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business....Whom they set before the apostles: and when they had prayed, they laid their hands on them."

They also have different offices which seem to have nothing to do with the Bible and we have apostle, prophets, seventies, Elders, evangelists/patriarchs, pastors/Bishops, priest, teachers and deacons. All very Biblical!


"Why the first is called the Melchizedek Priesthood is because Melchizedek was such a great high priest. Before his day it was called the Holy Priesthood, after the Order of the Son of God." D&C 107

Heb 8
" Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man...he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:...
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest."

'Those days' are here and now!

 

[withwonderingawe]

Yes--The "Son of man" has power on earth to forgive sins---He was talking about Himself---I can forgive what you do to me, but Jesus forgives all sins. Not one of these verses has one single thing about a priesthood. Elders, deacons, bishops, never priesthood. That was done away with at the cross and to reinstitute it goes totally against the word of God. The whole of the book of Hebrews makes that clear.
I do not resist the power of God---just the power of men who think they speak in the name of God but are proven false. The disciples commanded and healed---there is not one time where any disciple said, "I forgive you your sins."---Get up and walk, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead even yes!!---I forgive you your sins??--Never!! We can only forgive what is done to us.

2Co_2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ;

Luk_17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

Luk_17:4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

You claim this as prove of apostasy?



Who denies the power of God---those who claim as the bible says that there is no other God, that Jesus is, as the bible says, His One and Only real actual Son, That God, through Jesus created everything, that God formed Adam and Eve and breathed life into them and they became a living soul, that believe His word when it states

Isa_55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.


Or is it those who say, God is the God of this world, but there are other Gods of other worlds, that Jesus is one of many, that od did not create everything and other Gods create other worlds, that Adam and Eve existed as us existed before they were created, that believe God could not keep His word "but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it."--??? Who is the one denying the Power of God? Those who say we are clothed with the righteousness of the cleansing blood of Christ--or those who say we need special garments, signs and rituals to have that righteousness?? Those who say God is God, always was, always will be---God is God, the one and only, He is

Num_23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Or are those that deny His power those that say He was once a man before becoming God?


1 Peter 2
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, …. but as the servants of God…. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

Who denies the power of God? Those that believe as the bible says that WE ARE ALL A ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, AN HOLY NATION-or those that say there are only those certain ones that can be priests??---It is not us who deny the power of the Most High God!!! The One and Only,

Isa_44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

I was speaking of the power to heal, the power to say rise up out of that bed and walk. He gave that power to his apostles who then passed it on to other Elders.

 

[ToBeLoved]

ummm they copied it out of the Bible, that's not hard to figure out. I found a Masonic Manual by Robert Macoy revised edition 1867 their priesthood ordination is nothing like ours. And, while they quote Bible scriptures concerning the Melchezdek priesthood they don't call it that, they call it "ORDER OF HIGH PRIESTHOOD". They have a very elaborate ceremony which we don't have, instead we follow the Biblical pattern in Acts 6

"Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business....Whom they set before the apostles: and when they had prayed, they laid their hands on them."

They also have different offices which seem to have nothing to do with the Bible and we have apostle, prophets, seventies, Elders, evangelists/patriarchs, pastors/Bishops, priest, teachers and deacons. All very Biblical!


"Why the first is called the Melchizedek Priesthood is because Melchizedek was such a great high priest. Before his day it was called the Holy Priesthood, after the Order of the Son of God." D&C 107

Heb 8
" Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man...he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:...
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest."

'Those days' are here and now!

Don't kid yourself, everything I said is true.

Everything you quote in the Bible is from the OT and Old Covenant, FULFILLED by Jesus Christ.

You need to use Google

 

[ToBeLoved]

I was speaking of the power to heal, the power to say rise up out of that bed and walk. He gave that power to his apostles who then passed it on to other Elders.

However, the miracles pretty much ended with the death of the apostles. That was to show the power of God to people and that they were of God.

 

[ToBeLoved]

This is an interesting, instructive, and in phases, sad story. It shows how gullible are Mormons. Until 1978 was, who bears a drop of Negro blood in him, a LDS man can't received the priesthood. Then the LDS Church got problems. From the outside, through the civil rights movement that wanted to sue the church; and from the inside, because the leadership had built a temple in Brazil, a country almost has by any dark-skinned blood.
The civil rights movement in the neck, a temple to the jaw, which can not be used. So what to do. Mormons then always did the same: A new revelation is needed. And so the former Mormon Prophet Kimball gave in 1978 a "revelation" out, which every worthy young man, regardless of skin color; can get that priesthood. And, although a few years ago the Mormon leaders say full, that at the bid nothing is changed (except the Lord says something else. That is why this revelation was also so badly needed).

New revelations I'm sure. I appreciate your posts

 

[ToBeLoved]

ummm they copied it out of the Bible, that's not hard to figure out. I found a Masonic Manual by Robert Macoy revised edition 1867 their priesthood ordination is nothing like ours. And, while they quote Bible scriptures concerning the Melchezdek priesthood they don't call it that, they call it "ORDER OF HIGH PRIESTHOOD". They have a very elaborate ceremony which we don't have, instead we follow the Biblical pattern in Acts 6

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I did not say their "Order of High Priesthood" was like Mormonism. What I said, is the Masons have a degree that is the same "Priesthood of Melchezedek" which includes only Jesus Christ and Melchezedek just like Mormons do.

It's really the same ceremony. I'm not surprised the Masons banned Mormons after that stealth move. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...the-first-in-a-century-who-is-LDS.html?pg=all

 

[tickingclocker]

If Mormons do mock they are in judgement of GOD And have committed a sin and needs to repent. If you can find on line here where Mormons have made fun of any ones belief especially things that are considered sacred please reference it.

IF?? That is IF they recognize it as mocking. And being informed its mocking then deny you were mocking others, does that automatically excuse your behavior/thoughts? I didn't mean just on this website alone. How about owning up to it in your own heart? Not to me or anyone else either. This isn't a court room. First put yourself in others shoes before you go off half cocked when its done--to you. No one is without sin. If you can't understand that concept, then don't bother to answer again.

 

[mmksparbud]

I was speaking of the power to heal, the power to say rise up out of that bed and walk. He gave that power to his apostles who then passed it on to other Elders.

You do realize that any believer has that power, don't you? "With God all things are possible." Deacons, elders, bishops, those have a high calling and can anoint the sick with oil for healing, but anyone, with prayer, can heal if it is God's will. A mother, never ordained or hands laid on who prays fir her sick or dying child--a child's prayers can heal.

(Act 2:38 KJV) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
(Act 2:39 KJV) For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

These words were spoken to all those gathered from many places and they heard the message each in their own language---this was said to all present there--unbelievers mostly.