Hi,
Thank you for your thoughtful reply. As you may have noticed by now I have refrained pretty much from engaging in this conversation because I do regard Patricius as my brother in Christ. The fact that he is quite fixated on Mary is hardly the worst thing that he could do as a Christian. My fear is that he may be crossing the line and, especially, that he cites other highly-revered saints for his position. However, in the final analysis, it is God who will judge his heart and determine whether or not he has fallen into the error of worshipping a creature and not the Creator.
Hi,
Yet this bothers you. If this were not a public forum,
@patricius79 would be under that Biblical injunction, not to cause another to stumble in their path to and with God.
Here, Christians see everything; like in the world; and depending upon what they know then, they are to follow that and make judgements about their relationship with God.
It is not until you are introduced to Mary, or the alternative being removed from her, that you will actually know what to do on that issue.
If you really and truly believe in God, then by all means let Him determine that for you.
Not understanding Mary, nor what
@patricius79 's relationship is, with God and Mary can be very frightening.
I am a Mystic by the definition that I was treated to direct contact with God, in some ways.
One of the results of that, I see in
@patricius79 . It is one of the reasons that I like him here. He in some way has interfaced with God through Mary. That is not at all uncommon. It is though rather unknown and feared in certain branches of Christianity, but in a very Mark 9:38-42 way. And a very Romans 14 way, in what is legal for one with God, may bother another.
If Jesus, appeared to everyone, bodily, in your chuch and a certain person I know of was also there, all but her would react in the same way.
If she allowed others to see her position, her permissions with Jesus, as they really are, maybe others would think she acts inappropriately and sacriligeously around Him.
Historically others have been like her. And they too in secret approached and dealt with God, as they are to Him, and not how they were once with Him.
Being Mystical, only a few priests know of me. Those priests never expect me to act the way they do around Jesus. They expect me to act as I am with Jesus, one of His personal family members.
I am suggesting to you, that when you understand Mary, you will understand
@patricius79 , and no longer think he is doing something wrong.
A Protestant who gave her life over to God, and God accepted, and then she was always working for God, was asked to go somewhere by The Holy Spirit, to find out two things.
She did and returned home, but was still not required by The Holy Spirit, thus God The Father Really, to change to Catholicism.
It was shown to her that Jesus really is in The Eucharist, and that Mary has to be dealt with also.
No one else in that chuch in Bosnia/Herzegovina, saw what she saw. And she was asked to travel from Arizona to that place to get there, with plenty of proofs along the way that God Really Wanted her To Do That.
After seeing the Essence of God, The Core Personality of Jesus, The Holy Spirit in The Wind and yes, the Virgin Mary in a resurrected body form, like Jesus had on earth, I was then very Mystical for awhile like that Protestant Lady who The Holy Spirit turned into a mystic among other things.
The intensity of
@patricius79 's interest in The Virgin Mary, is totally what happens to anyone after a large Mystical encounter with God.
It is really just loving God, by loving what He loves. That is complicated, but it is this: Every man or woman with a particular love of any hobby or anything on earth, is really just doing that because the person they love, loves that.
We love that person so much, that we start liking what they like, because they like that.
Secretly, everyone loves God. When God shares something that He loves with a person, that person loves that too, because they love God.
Thus, gardeners, carpenters, and all other loves that people have, that they don't know why, but are hooked on anyway, is merely loving God, by loving what He has revealed to you, that He loves...
So if
@patricius79 loves Mary, it is merely God letting him know that He loves Mary also.
I said it is complicated. I am sorry if I lost you. It is not my intention to do that.
There is a possibility that you did not get lost though. Just this morning, I shared that same item with a man. In his eyes, I saw that he understood.
LOVE,