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Evidence from Sola Scriptura - right from the Bible itself

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I haven't, and my Church hasn't added any false teaching to the Bible. Nor have I or we contradicted the Bible. You're starting to sound like Donald Trump, accusing, but never proving. You stop it.
Sure you have. You've added the heresy that infant baptism saves. Stop it.
 
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You really have to work on your tact here. If not no one is going to take you seriously. Quite honestly from my point of view and others, what you are doing is applying you false understandings on top of Scripture, thus what you are professing is heresy. You cannot get around that fact.

My point in this whole thread, is that obviously no one reads Scripture in a vacuum. Those that do, don't understand what they are reading anyway, or will get grossly messed up ideas out what they read. So no matter how much Sola Scripturist want to deny the fact, you all read Scripture through the lens of your faith tradition.

If anything this conversation just verifies exactly this point.
You speak from the Koolaid you drink.
Please let the Bible speak and tell your priests and leaders to read their Bibles rather than follow heretical traditions.
 
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Sure you have. You've added the heresy that infant baptism saves. Stop it.
It's not heresy, and baptism saves, so whomever is baptized can be saved. I think what your missing is that we don't believe Once Saved, Always Saved. God gives us the initial grace, and puts us on the path then we must follow the path toward ultimate salvation.
 
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You speak from the Koolaid you drink.
Please let the Bible speak and tell your priests and leaders to read their Bibles rather than follow heretical traditions.
Where is it in Scripture that you should read the Bible rather than following Tradition? Jesus followed all sorts of Traditions, even some that aren't in (your) Bible. Our Traditions may be heretical to your faith, but your faith doesn't govern mine. Stop it. Stop trying to force your denomination (which is anti-biblical, truly) down my throat.
 
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Where is it in Scripture that you should read the Bible rather than following Tradition? Jesus followed all sorts of Traditions, even some that aren't in (your) Bible. Our Traditions may be heretical to your faith, but your faith doesn't govern mine. Stop it. Stop trying to force your denomination (which is anti-biblical, truly) down my throat.
You realize that the Jewish leaders in Jesus time used your same argument. Their traditions were completely wrong when it came to Messiah and when it came to redemption.
Your leaders have followed the same path where the honor their own misconceived traditions above God's word. It is a tragedy because so very many people are therefore deluded by a lie from tradition.
If they would just read God's word and receive its truth, they could discern the false teachings coming from their leaders. The doozy you keep pushing is that infant baptism saves. That claim is outright non-biblical and heretical. Stop it.
 
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You speak from the Koolaid you drink.
That's funny considering the many lies that you have bought into that you have posted


Please let the Bible speak and tell your priests and leaders to read their Bibles rather than follow heretical traditions.
Yes, let the Bible speak...oh yeah a Bible doesn't have a mouth, so kind of tough.

What about not buying into these new novelties like once saved always saved, a novel idea less than 100 years old.
 
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You realize that the Jewish leaders in Jesus time used your same argument. Their traditions were completely wrong when it came to Messiah and when it came to redemption.
Actually far from the truth. Their traditions were from God. They enforced them, though, without the understanding of where they came from. All the laws had to do with loving God and loving your neighbor-the essence of the 10 Commandments. But they forced obedience with their heads, not their hearts.[/quote]
Your leaders have followed the same path where the honor their own misconceived traditions above God's word. It is a tragedy because so very many people are therefore deluded by a lie from tradition.[/quote]Our leaders follow the same Holy Spirit that Jesus gave to the Church. That's where our traditions come from.[/quote]
If they would just read God's word and receive its truth, they could discern the false teachings coming from their leaders. The doozy you keep pushing is that infant baptism saves. That claim is outright non-biblical and heretical. Stop it.[/QUOTE]
I keep pushing that all baptism saves the one baptized. But salvation is not a one-time thing, it's an ongoing thing. You stop it.
 
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Actually far from the truth. Their traditions were from God. They enforced them, though, without the understanding of where they came from. All the laws had to do with loving God and loving your neighbor-the essence of the 10 Commandments. But they forced obedience with their heads, not their hearts.
Your leaders have followed the same path where the honor their own misconceived traditions above God's word. It is a tragedy because so very many people are therefore deluded by a lie from tradition.[/quote]
Our leaders follow the same Holy Spirit that Jesus gave to the Church. That's where our traditions come from.
If they would just read God's word and receive its truth, they could discern the false teachings coming from their leaders. The doozy you keep pushing is that infant baptism saves. That claim is outright non-biblical and heretical. Stop it.
I keep pushing that all baptism saves the one baptized. But salvation is not a one-time thing, it's an ongoing thing. You stop it.
Honestly, your first two sentences are a lie, which makes everything else unreadable.
There is ZERO evidence to say those traditions are from God. If the traditions are not established in the Bible, they are worthless as doctrine.
Your teachings on baptism are false and heretical. Stop it!
 
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Your leaders have followed the same path where the honor their own misconceived traditions above God's word. It is a tragedy because so very many people are therefore deluded by a lie from tradition.


Honestly, your first two sentences are a lie, which makes everything else unreadable.
There is ZERO evidence to say those traditions are from God. If the traditions are not established in the Bible, they are worthless as doctrine.
Your teachings on baptism are false and heretical. Stop it![/QUOTE]
You're entitled to your opinions, wrong as they are. The Catholic faith is the oldest and most correct. This includes all the apostolic Churches, in my opinion.
You confuse the institution with the faith, a problem many people have. There is plenty of evidence, but at this point, I'm going to put you on ignore. Thanks for the 'dialogue'.
 
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Honestly, your first two sentences are a lie, which makes everything else unreadable.
There is ZERO evidence to say those traditions are from God. If the traditions are not established in the Bible, they are worthless as doctrine.
Your teachings on baptism are false and heretical. Stop it!
You're entitled to your opinions, wrong as they are. The Catholic faith is the oldest and most correct. This includes all the apostolic Churches, in my opinion.
You confuse the institution with the faith, a problem many people have. There is plenty of evidence, but at this point, I'm going to put you on ignore. Thanks for the 'dialogue'.
Age is irrelevant when the Roman church teaches heresy. You cannot show infant baptism as a means of salvation anywhere in God's word. Your leaders made it up out of the figment of their imagination and you are pimping the lie to us. Stop it.
 
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Age is irrelevant when the Roman church teaches heresy. You cannot show infant baptism as a means of salvation anywhere in God's word. Your leaders made it up out of the figment of their imagination and you are pimping the lie to us. Stop it.
I can show it, you just don't see it. It's called being blind. Of course it's not explicit in Scripture because Scripture only encompasses the first generation of Christians, which were, by and large, adults. But that's why we don't go by Scripture alone. But when Scripture tells us that a man and his household were baptized, everyone includes children, at the least it doesn't exclude children. Bye!
 
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I can show it, you just don't see it. It's called being blind. Of course it's not explicit in Scripture because Scripture only encompasses the first generation of Christians, which were, by and large, adults. But that's why we don't go by Scripture alone. But when Scripture tells us that a man and his household were baptized, everyone includes children, at the least it doesn't exclude children. Bye!

Scripture is God's word. He didn't use any other means of sharing His will with us. When churches are in conflict with God's word, they are wrong and in need of repentance. The Roman church teaching of infant baptism for salvation is a heresy from hell. Let God's word guide us, not false teachings from a fallible church.

You are using areas from the Bible that are historical references, not doctrine. No where in Acts do we find babies being baptized unto salvation. Quit being exegetically incompetent. If you wish to cling to heresy, that is your path, but don't push biblically unsupportable comments off as doctrinally sound when they are made up out of thin air. You promote a lie and desire to call it truth. Stop it.
 
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Scripture is God's word. He didn't use any other means of sharing His will with us. When churches are in conflict with God's word, they are wrong and in need of repentance. The Roman church teaching of infant baptism for salvation is a heresy from hell. Let God's word guide us, not false teachings from a fallible church.
Scripture is God's Word, but it's not His only Word. You cannot prove that the Church is in conflict with God's Word.
It's not just the Roman Church's teaching, by the way, it's all the Apostolic Churches. So you're saying the Apostolic Churches were wrong?
Question 2...in your view, there was no Church until the 3rd century, because there was no Bible until then?
You are using areas from the Bible that are historical references, not doctrine. No where in Acts do we find babies being baptized unto salvation. Quit being exegetically incompetent. If you wish to cling to heresy, that is your path, but don't push biblically unsupportable comments off as doctrinally sound when they are made up out of thin air. You promote a lie and desire to call it truth. Stop it.
There's no doctrine in the Bible, so your first sentence is correct. Infant baptism is implicit in Acts. Your 'heresy', btw, is not binding on me, or anyone else. Doctrine comes out of Scripture, it's not in Scripture, though. Again, sounding like Donald Trump with nothing to back you up. I have 2000 years of history to back me up.
 
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Scripture is God's Word, but it's not His only Word. You cannot prove that the Church is in conflict with God's Word.
It's not just the Roman Church's teaching, by the way, it's all the Apostolic Churches. So you're saying the Apostolic Churches were wrong?
Question 2...in your view, there was no Church until the 3rd century, because there was no Bible until then?

There's no doctrine in the Bible, so your first sentence is correct. Infant baptism is implicit in Acts. Your 'heresy', btw, is not binding on me, or anyone else. Doctrine comes out of Scripture, it's not in Scripture, though. Again, sounding like Donald Trump with nothing to back you up. I have 2000 years of history to back me up.

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Anything that contradicts God's word is anathema. Infant baptism is unsupported in God's word. You are desperately pulling figment out of your imagination and calling them truth.

God teaches us how we are saved...in the Scriptures. He tells us in Ephesians 1 and 2. Yet, you boldly ignore God's word in order to cling to a figment of some church leaders imagination as being more authoritative than God's teaching. Stop it.
 
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Ecumenism cannot exist when the church tolerates Jezebel. Biblical truth trumps church hugs.

I was being somewhat sarcastic. The Orthodox Church is probably the least ecumenical of any Christian group. When the Ecumenical Patriarch met with the Pope, he drew great criticism from certain monastics on Mt. Athos.

Given what I have read of the thread, I suspect you also harbor some animosity against the Orthodox Church, but I think it is worth commenting that we find an instance of infant baptism in the Acts of the Apostles. Perhaps this was already brought up and rebutted. I did not read that deeply in the thread.
 
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I was being somewhat sarcastic. The Orthodox Church is probably the least ecumenical of any Christian group. When the Ecumenical Patriarch met with the Pope, he drew great criticism from certain monastics on Mt. Athos.

Given what I have read of the thread, I suspect you also harbor some animosity against the Orthodox Church, but I think it is worth commenting that we find an instance of infant baptism in the Acts of the Apostles. Perhaps this was already brought up and rebutted. I did not read that deeply in the thread.
It's not animosity. It's an expectation of excellence to God's word. All humans are by nature flawed, which is why all traditions must be measured by God's word. When a tradition is in contradiction of God's word, it must be abandoned...regardless of which church denomination is promoting it. My frustration comes when humans place their faith in church traditions above God's word. This should never be.
 
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It's not animosity. It's an expectation of excellence to God's word. All humans are by nature flawed, which is why all traditions must be measured by God's word. When a tradition is in contradiction of God's word, it must be abandoned...regardless of which church denomination is promoting it. My frustration comes when humans place their faith in church traditions above God's word. This should never be.
Then why are doing so? You are professing things that are explicit only to your faith tradition, these things being invented and then Scripture being twisted to justify them. Again, it just shows just how Sola Scriptura always fails in practice.
 
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Then why are doing so? You are professing things that are explicit only to your faith tradition, these things being invented and then Scripture being twisted to justify them. Again, it just shows just how Sola Scriptura always fails in practice.

What faith tradition? Is the letter to the Ephesians my church tradition? Is it not God's word?
 
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