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Ten Commandments still valid so says Bible and pro-Sunday Scholars

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What I'm HEARING.......(and please, it could be that I honestly don't understand what you' take on these scriptures are, so don't take offense), is that we are meat puppets, some of whom God has given the grace of eternal life, and some whom are damned from birth, and given no grace of God.

"Meat puppets"? Did I say we were "meat puppets"?


We don't choose sin, so in fact there can be no sin, because intent would be a choice. Choices involve free will to choose. Automatons don't make choices. They are programmed. So there is no sin in them. They are incapable of murder, lust, theft, coveting etc.. because there is no forethought or intent.

Bad news for you. Yes, you didn't "choose sin" but you and I are born "SINNERS" because of our fore father Adam. So guess what, we sin naturally from the day we are born, for we are all born sinners. And no, you are not an automated programmed human and you will be held accountable by God regardless of your rebellion and hate to this information that's written in the Holy Bible. You ain't going to run far from a Holy and Righteous God when He comes for you.



I don't have a dead heart. I am filled with love. Love of God.

"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God." (Romans 3:10,11); "And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience" (Ephesians 2:1,2)

If the Word declares, "there is none that seeketh after God", you can be dead (no pun intended) sure that you never ever loved God even though you claim you have. A unregenerate sinner can never seek after God let alone even say he loved God. Your rebellious words against the Holy Bible speaks volume of what is written in Romans 3:10,11 to be very true.
 
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Is the phrase "whosoever will" found in the Bible?

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Does anywhere in the Holy Word speak and define that "whosoever will" implies the man's "free will" to go to Christ? If there are accounts of such a thing, I fear that one than would have to call Jesus a liar when He declared, "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." (John 6:37); "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." (John 6:44); "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me" (John 10:26,27)

So, I would than conclude that "whosoever will" is only in reference to those who are His sheep, His elect in God's covenant of grace. Outside of the covenant of grace are the goats, they will never go to Him for they can never hear His voice.

In the doctrine of the sheep and goat (aka vessel of honor and dishonor), God is glorified 100%.

"Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." (Revelation 4:11)
 
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No text says Adam was forced to sin by God.
No text says Adam was created with a sinful nature.
No text says that God cannot know the future unless he forces people to sin or not sin.

Calvinism does not survive John 1:11

11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. --- Calvinism does not survive this.

Calvinism does not survive Luke 7
29 And when all the people heard Him, even the tax collectors justified God, having been baptized with the baptism of John. 30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the will of God for themselves, not having been baptized by him.

30 But the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected God’s purpose for themselves, not having been baptized by John. (NASB)



Goodness! Your knowledge of the Holy Bible or who God is, is being called to questioned.

Who said anything about "Adam was forced to sin by God"? Did I?

And who said "Adam was created with a sinful nature"? Did I?
Adam was most definitely created sinless.

Then even in the limited logic of Calvinism - it is obvious that Adam had "free will".

Are we?
However, when Adam and Eve disobeyed God, they became sinners.
And we who are born through Adam and Eve since after the fall, are now born sinners

True - but the depravity that is caused by the sinful nature is fully overcome by the infinite power of the "DRAWING" of God -- as even the limited logic of Calvinism will admit in John 6.

Which means that "I will DRAW ALL mankind unto Me" John 12:32 provides ALL the "ENABLING" that Calvinism might ever wish to deny -- for mankind.

, comprehend?
That is, we sin because we are sinners but we are enabled to choose life - because of the infinite power of God in "drawing ALL mankind", comprehend?

"No text says that God cannot know the future unless he forces people to sin or not sin."

Well, my God knows everything and that's because He purposed and willed it.

When Calvinism attempts to "sit in God's chair" the first thing they have to do "in order to know the future" is make all intelligent life "a sock puppet" - where every sin, every thought is the act of God -- not an actual free will choice of the sock. That way God can "know" exactly what the sock will do.

God's purpose in the future is in the context of his foreknowledge - God never does anything 'out of ignorance'.

Here is a great example of God "NOT" saying "I will bring your evil to pass" and "I have purposed your evil" not even "I have purposed the evil deeds of the devil".

"Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it." (Isaiah 46:10,11)

1 Peter 1
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

If a trumpet is blown in a city will not the people tremble?
If a calamity occurs in a city has not the Lord done it?
(Amos 3:6)


"Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, (Acts 2:23; Acts 4:27,28)
 
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Chris, can you explain how Jesus was born a sinner yet never sinned? Why are we not held accountable to God until we are of an age of understanding? ie: infants.

I would suggest that we are born with a sinful, carnal nature and the text that says "all have sinned" refers to the fact that all of us have given into our carnal natures and sinned. Remember, sinning is a verb, an action, not a state of being per se.
 
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Is 5:4
What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?

Calvinism makes God the "saboteur of his own Gospel and the cause of His own lament".

He CAME to HIS OWN and His OWN received Him not” John 1:11

Matt 23
37“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.
38“Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!

Luke 7
28 When all the people and the tax collectors heard this, they acknowledged God’s justice, having been baptized with the baptism of John.
29 But the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected God’s purpose for themselves, not having been baptized by John.




Response:
Well the Calvinist would have an answer for God on that one. An answer contrived via “extreme inference” in places like Deut 5:29. Calvinism would inform the world – and God Himself of just what God did to cause the lamentable result that God is complaining about. If the result is wrong then Calvinism argues He did wrong - sabotaging His own plans or at the very least - being forgetful to "do the necessary" as the saying goes in India.


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God's Lament

Hosea 11
:7 So My people are bent on turning from Me.
Though they call them to the One on high,
None at all exalts Him.
8 How can I give you up, O Ephraim?
How can I surrender you, O Israel?
How can I make you like Admah?
How can I treat you like Zeboiim?
My heart is turned over within Me,
All My compassions are kindled.


Ezek 18
30“Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, each according to his conduct,” declares the Lord GOD. Repent and turn away from all your transgressions, so that iniquity may not become a stumbling block to you.
31“Cast away from you all your transgressions which you have committed and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! For why will you die, O house of Israel?
32“For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies,” declares the Lord GOD. “Therefore, repent and LIVE!"
 
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So then how is it - that when we come to a board like this - and 99.99% of the discussion is on that very point - we hear almost nothing from those "almost all" in defense of the still-valid still binding "Ten Commandments"??
My best answer is that you're mistaken. Every time that an Adventist creates a thread asking or condemning the rest of us with regard to this one issue that is controversial almost exclusively with the members of a single denomination, I've noticed that there are replies given to it.

But OTOH, neither do the respondents go on and on about it, repeating themselves, after they've given you the answer to your question--one more time. There simply isn't enough to this issue for an extended debate.

The answer is scriptural, the citations are made, there's nothing more...unless you're a "Sabbath-keeper" and this is your favorite point of attack against the rest of Christianity.

This misses the key detail - that the debates here in general are not about the 4th commandment pointing to week-day-1 or week-day-7... they are about the TEN Commandments either applying to Christians or not.
The answer has been given and given again, so I don't know what else to say to you. Why, IOW, would you expect a lot of people to answer the most rudimentary questions repeatedly...and in response to another Christian whom we are aware already knows the answer but just doesn't like it?
 
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"Meat puppets"? Did I say we were "meat puppets"?
:) Sorry. Just a term I heard once that I got a kick out of describing theoretical human beings who are controlled, and therefore don't make choices, discernments or decisions. The puppetmaster does. Marionettes may have been more tasteful.


Bad news for you. Yes, you didn't "choose sin" but you and I are born "SINNERS" because of our fore father Adam. So guess what, we sin naturally from the day we are born, for we are all born sinners. And no, you are not an automated programmed human and you will be held accountable by God regardless of your rebellion and hate to this information that's written in the Holy Bible. You ain't going to run far from a Holy and Righteous God when He comes for you.
No disagreements here. Frankly, I thought only Catholics and Orthodox believed in original sin. There may be something to work with here. A seed. [/QUOTE]




"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God." (Romans 3:10,11); "And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience" (Ephesians 2:1,2)
If the Word declares, "there is none that seeketh after God", you can be dead (no pun intended) sure that you never ever loved God even though you claim you have. A unregenerate sinner can never seek after God let alone even say he loved God. Your rebellious words against the Holy Bible speaks volume of what is written in Romans 3:10,11 to be very true.
There is hope from this last statement of yours that you can come to understand these scriptures you keep posting. I will ignore the personal attack against me in particular, as you have absolutely no knowledge whatsoever about the depth of my belief and respect of the Holy Scriptures of God, so this is just mean hearted talk, which I give the benefit of the doubt to you as being used in hyperbole. But here's the hopeful part of your interpretation of these two passages, (prooftexted, and used without reference to audience, the Psalms they are based on, etc.). You use the word "unregenerate". The would indicate that you have some understanding of the regeneration of the human soul offered in grace to those who will receive it. If there can be unregenerate, there can be regenerate by the grace of God. As Jesus said a few times, "Let him who has ears hear". That we can be cleaned, and yes, love God. In fact, this uncoerced love of God by the acceptance of God's love and grace from the Father, by the power of the Holy Spirit through Jesus Christ is what many denominations of Christians think about as being "born again", in which they are no longer unregenerate sinners. I've said in every response to your posts that God calls those He chooses, but not all respond. That is, forced love is not love at all. This is why eternal life with God and the beatific vision is free to all, but one must pick up their cross daily and follow Jesus to continue to receive the sanctifying grace. I have had great and productive debates with brothers and sisters who are of the Once Saved/Always Saved camp, and we usually just find that like the English and the Americans we are one people separated by a common language, and that we simply have different words for the same concepts, and are not as far apart on actual theology as we may think we are. But your philosophy and understanding of man seems to be a completely different thing from other Christians of all stripes whom I have spoken with along my journey. There SEEMS to be a kind of a nihilism or darkness to your understanding of the scriptures. Let me ask you clearly, so I can at least get a better sense of your understanding of things: Can a person change, by the grace of God, from the state of being a reprobate, unregenerate sinner, to a repentant sinner who is now able to love, and have hope of Heaven through Jesus Christ? If not, what is Christianity in your estimation? If so, does man have any choice at all in calling on, and accepting the gift of God's grace, and having a purposeful amendment of one's life, so that there is some standard by which he can be judged by God? Or is everything fixed, so to speak, and we are just character living out a play designed by a divine author, which ultimately we have no say in? (If this were the case, by what measure would we be judged at the end of our live, if we are just playing out roles, and not making any choices.)

And finally, how do you interpret the scripture passage, "God is love, and all who live in God, live in love" if man can not love. Wouldn't this negate the idea from Genesis that we were made in the image and likeness of God?

I am open the possibility as well, that I don't really understand anything you're trying to explain to me. In which case I thank you for whatever time you've invested, but don't really see a possibility in reaching an understanding of your biblical interpretations, and I apologize for any waste of time I've presented.
Yours in Christ,
Steven
 
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My best answer is that you're mistaken.

Thank you for sharing that. I don't agree with that conclusion but I respect your free will choice to have it.

Every time that an Adventist creates a thread asking or condemning the rest of us with regard to this one issue that is controversial almost exclusively with the members of a single denomination, I've noticed that there are replies given to it.

That's nonsense and you and I both know it.

The Title of this thread "and the discussion point on almost every other thread on this section of the board" is the debate about whether the TEN Commandments still apply. It does not single any individual out to condemn.It simply argues the same point you already affirmed -- so now you condemn the effort to uphold the Ten Commandments as still valid - even though you too hold to that position?

That sort of self-conflicted solution is not as insightful as it could be.

This thread title appeals to the common ground view that the TEN Commandments are in fact still binding. Even you agreed with this statement. How "odd" that this is where you then want to condemn Adventists.

This is a point that you already come out and admitted that you believe the Ten Commandments are still valid. You are taking the SDA POV on that point and almost everyone here arguing against the TEN Commandments can see that.

Irrefutable.

There is only a tiny tiny tiny - pro-sunday group here arguing that the TEN Commandments are still valid but the 4th commandment can be edited to point to week-day-1. That discussion almost never happens at all here.



The title of this very thread is on that one point - "Are the TEN Commandents still binding" on all saints - and as you already admitted that majority of pro-sunday scholars not-posting here - agree that they ARE still binding on the saints - even you admit it.

How then is addressing this point 'only a SDA POV'??

That is pure nonsense -- and we both know it.

, I'm calling an end to this exchange now. :)

Insightful.
 
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A point that you already come out and admitted that you believe they do. You are taking the SDA POV on that point and almost everyone here arguing against the TEN Commandments can see that.
I haven't seen anyone argue against the Ten Commandments, Bob. And I hardly think that believing the Ten Commandments still apply is something that only the SDA adheres to.

BUT if that's what your church tells you, I can see where you're coming from.

Is this the reason you've seemed unable to accept any answers to your questions from the rest of us--simple misinformation?

P.S. I apologize for replying after saying there was nothing more to say, but this insistence on your part about something that isn't true may be the reason for the impasse, I now realize.
 
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Hello Bob.

You quoted the following passage from the letter of James to the twelve tribes ( the Jews).

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, you shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18)
you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For
whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, Do not commit
adultery also said, Do not commit murder. Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a
transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.

May I ask you a few questions Bob, about the way you have been taught to read the scripture?

1) Why does James call this specific law (Leviticus 19:18), the royal law?

2) How does James know that 'partiality' is a sin using the law?

3) What does James mean by 'whoever keeps the whole law'?

4) What is the 'law of liberty'?
 
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Chris said Christ "Was born a sinner"??
In post 421 he said

"Yes, you didn't "choose sin" but you and I are born "SINNERS" because of our fore father Adam. So guess what, we sin naturally from the day we are born, for we are all born sinners.

Wasn't Christ born into our flesh, tempted as we are... if we are already guilty of sin from the womb, then so was Jesus... I see a problem with that.
 
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Chris, can you explain how Jesus was born a sinner yet never sinned? Why are we not held accountable to God until we are of an age of understanding? ie: infants.

I would suggest that we are born with a sinful, carnal nature and the text that says "all have sinned" refers to the fact that all of us have given into our carnal natures and sinned. Remember, sinning is a verb, an action, not a state of being per se.
Jesus wasn't born a sinner. His Father is God and not a natural man. As such Jesus didn't inherit sin.

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I haven't seen anyone argue against the Ten Commandments, Bob.

That is an amazing statement given the title of this thread and the content of the posts.

IT is hard to tell from your posts if you are reading my posts or any other posts on this thread. Check out the next post of mine to illustrate all the 'real posts' that you seem to believe "do not exist"

And I hardly think that believing the Ten Commandments still apply is something that only the SDA adheres to.

Hence the title of the thread and the content of page one - where I point out that there are a great number of pro-sunday groups that also support the continued authority of the TEN Commandments.

At the very least - read page 1.
 
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I haven't seen anyone argue against the Ten Commandments, Bob. .

Then try reading the actual thread -- Notice the OP as quoted below - and then the list of responses that you are claiming "do not exist"

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Are God's Ten Commandments still valid ??

That is the primary question to be answered on this section of the board.
And the irrefutable response from scripture is ... "yes".

Nope.... just another thread where Moses is thrown under a bus and people who don't represent me as a Christian are taken out of context to dupe the unawares into thinking that the SDA have it right..
Paul says otherwise.

Ten commandments are not binding upon Christians, their validity is a voluntary issue for us. They are binding upon non-Christian Jews however by decree in Exodus which is what you constantly abuse to try and bind non Israelis to the Law.

List one post in this thread that any claims against the 10 commandments has been fully refuted?
What was 1 claim that you've made effort to show the biblical perspective on?

Please tell the truth about why you quote them. They can't be on the other side and promote your ideas.The 4th commandment isn't a moral issue nor is it binding according to the NT.
bugkiller

Everyone who quotes the law is a hypocrite! Because no one obeys it.

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I think the problem is that any suggestion that the Commandments have a different place in our lives now than they did before Christ is automatically interpreted by you to mean that they are now refuted or of no importance whatsoever.

it looks like you have re-imagined those posts above as saying nothing more than "yes the TEN Commandments are still valid for Christians - but they hold a different place"

Is that your position?

Is that "creative reading"??
 
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I think the problem is that any suggestion that the Commandments have a different place in our lives now than they did before Christ is automatically interpreted by you to mean that they are now refuted or of no importance whatsoever.

Is this the sort of "Different Place" you think all those posts just quoted opposing the Ten Commandments - are endorsing??


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D.L. Moody notices that some are opposed to the Sabbath Commandment - but notice how this sermon on the TEN Commandments also fits the summary of 7 points listed here on page 1??

http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY
The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17
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The Fourth Commandment


Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was
- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai.
How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;

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Do you think that those posts just quoted as being opposed to the continuation of the TEN Commandments - are endorsing the sort of continuation that you have stated in this post??

Christ reaffirmed them, and the churches that preach that we are now in the era of Grace still say that the Ten Commandments are standards of behavior, that they are right in themselves. We all believe, do we not, that it is a sin to murder, to steal, to covet, etc.?

So, they are "valid"...and that was the question asked by this thread.

Indeed they are - but is that 'yes - they are still valid' response what you actually see on this thread??
 
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Why are all understood and obeyed in letter and spirit except one... the one that says "Remember..."

Why does violating 9 Commandments constitute sin and require repentance, but one is violated with impunity?

It's not conceded by people who worship on Sunday that they do, in fact, violate the first commandment.

I think that's the best answer to your question.

I assume you mean "4th commandment" not "First Commandment".

In that case - do you think the "4th commandment is abolished" posts - are in harmony with your same "yes we honor the 4th commandment and keep it" (no matter if the point is Sunday or Saturday -- just asking about the intent)
 
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