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Ten Commandments still valid so says Bible and pro-Sunday Scholars

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The "accuser of the brethren" in Rev 12 was cast down at the time of the cross. His methods don't work.
You weren't falsely accused. Its a well established fact you don't keep the sabbath as stated in Ex 20:8-11.
The text does not say "thy were lost because they honored God's Sabbath as He commanded" - and I think we all know it.
False argument because we didn't say they were.
And as we see in Heb 11 - the saints of the OT - were people of faith.
But where does it say they were law keepers? Ps 14 and 53 bothe say they weren't. So does Isa 63:17 and Ex 20:25-26. what is true, Bob.
Hence Moses and Elijah stand with Christ in Matt 17 - New Testament.
And so, your point is....
New Covenant - "I will write My LAW on their heart and mind" Jer 31:31-33 - Heb 8:6-10
Unfortunately you refuse the first 2/3 of your reference with your partial quote twisting the Scripture.
Rev 14:12 - "Saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"
Unfortunatley you and John are talking about different commandments. You've been show this with quoted Scripture more than once.

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If only people would not keep arguing the same dead-end objections that beg to have the same Bible texts brought to answer the same exact objection as it is brought up dozens and dozens of times.
No what you say isn't the truth of Scripture.
When you find texts for which you have no answer - you simply repeat the objection and insist that the answer no longer be posted. And that is "convincing"???
Talikng about yourself again, Bob?

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Yet it was a law of righteousness, as such it is good. Paul said that, still, there are those who do not understand Paul well. The point there is there can't be the obedience, without faith, and in any case, we who will be obedient need Yahweh God's help, and not be without it in that. Would it be better not to desire the obedience? Paul wasn't saying that. And the verse there doesn't speak to Sabbath observance. What is said of Sabbath observance in the new testament of the Bible calls for not judging others in it. Others should not be kept from or discouraged from Sabbath observance. And for the point claiming such do not obey, should any that don't just give up, and not desire to be obedient? Nothing in scriptures is saying that, and believers shouldn't say it.
But the law was yet good, there was death from it without faith, this is the point made, and with Christ one is made alive, with his righteousness. With this seeking to trust and obey is never with trusting one's own righteousness. Yahweh God is the same always, never changing. It defies logic that commandments came from God, and God then changed the mind about those and said they don't apply. Paul is not understood if it is thought that he said that somewhere. Yet believers have life only through Christ, it is with repentance to life with sin, with faith coming to him, with restoration through the redemption Christ provided and relationship with God through Christ. Obedience may come about, as it is meant to, just from this.

If God gave a NC, why do we need to keep the OC?Maybe you should tell Jeremiah not to lie about a coming NC. While you're at it perhaps you should inform God (Jesus) He is lying when He says the NC is in existence.

Indeed, you really do make unfounded accusations. It is rather surprising that it is permitted. Yahweh our God gave the new covenant, so all the old covenant isn't needed, as Christ, through whom there is the new covenant, is the truly needed priesthood, effective sacrifice, and provision of the way to be made clean in the necessary way before God. This is what is fulfilled, and Christ fulfilled perfect obedience for righteousness from him to be applied to those that are his, enabling them, with them being freed from judgment which was borne for them instead, not freeing them to not live righteously.
 
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spamming is when you copy and paste the exact same thing over and over. period.
Open Heart and I have disagreed on a lot, but on this, I find myself in accord.

That's spamming.
 
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Indeed, you really do make unfounded accusations. It is rather surprising that it is permitted. Yahweh our God gave the new covenant, so all the old covenant isn't needed, as Christ, through whom there is the new covenant, is the truly needed priesthood, effective sacrifice, and provision of the way to be made clean in the necessary way before God. This is what is fulfilled, and Christ fulfilled perfect obedience for righteousness from him to be applied to those that are his, enabling them, with them being freed from judgment which was borne for them instead, not freeing them to not live righteously.
Your post is interesting, and if you believe that all the law has not been fulfilled yet then your statement is not true. You said: "God gave the new covenant, so all the old covenant isn't needed" (emphasis mine) and "This is what is fulfilled....." You have to be discounting Jesus statement in Matt 5 "until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (old covenant) until everything is accomplished." If I am reading you correctly and reading Jesus word correctly something is not jiving. He says the whole law will remain in effect until all is finished. You, on the other hand have removed lots of small letters and pen strokes. I see a big conundrum here.

I believe Jesus finished what He set out to do. He came to save mankind when there is no other way. He accomplished His goal. The remainder, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, is up to us. Once we accept Jn 5:24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life." Satan is defeated. Satan would have had us perish, but Jesus came, defeated Satan, and is now waiting to redeem us. Jn 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

I believe, praise the Lord. Jude tells me that Jesus is able to keep from falling and present me faultless before the Throne and further more Jn 5:24 tells me I will not even be judged. Claim the Promises!
 
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Your post is interesting, and if you believe that all the law has not been fulfilled yet

When you 'quote you' saying "all the law has not been fulfilled yet" what do you mean?

Is it your response to D.L. Moody??

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D.L. Moody notices that some are opposed to the Sabbath Commandment - but notice how this sermon on the TEN Commandments also fits the summary of 7 points listed here on page 1??

http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY
The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17
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The Fourth Commandment


Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was
- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai.
How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;

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Your post is interesting, and if you believe that all the law has not been fulfilled yet then your statement is not true. You said: "God gave the new covenant, so all the old covenant isn't needed" (emphasis mine) and "This is what is fulfilled....." You have to be discounting Jesus statement in Matt 5 "until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (old covenant) until everything is accomplished." If I am reading you correctly and reading Jesus word correctly something is not jiving. He says the whole law will remain in effect until all is finished.

You are conflating the "fulfill" of a prescriptive law like the TEN Commandments - which ALL must comply with --- and mixed it up -- with the "fulfill" of a PREDICTIVE LAW like Passover predicting the sacrifice of Christ.

Jesus said "LAW AND THE PROPHETS" remain until heaven and earth pass away in Matt 5.

17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled

And then there is Rom 13 -- Ten Commandments are PRESCRIPTIVE (like the speed limit) - all must comply - not just 'one'.

Rom 13
8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Rom 8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Matt 3:15
15 But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him.
 
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Indeed, you really do make unfounded accusations. It is rather surprising that it is permitted. Yahweh our God gave the new covenant, so all the old covenant isn't needed, as Christ, through whom there is the new covenant, is the truly needed priesthood, effective sacrifice, and provision of the way to be made clean in the necessary way before God. This is what is fulfilled, and Christ fulfilled perfect obedience for righteousness from him to be applied to those that are his, enabling them, with them being freed from judgment which was borne for them instead, not freeing them to not live righteously.
But the deal is not a jot or tittle shall pass from the law. Therefore its impossible for Jesus to be a priest as He's not from the tribe of Levi.

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You are conflating the "fulfill" of a prescriptive law like the TEN Commandments - which ALL must comply with --- and mixed it up -- with the "fulfill" of a PREDICTIVE LAW like Passover predicting the sacrifice of Christ.

Jesus said "LAW AND THE PROPHETS" remain until heaven and earth pass away in Matt 5.

17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled

And then there is Rom 13 -- Ten Commandments are PRESCRIPTIVE (like the speed limit) - all must comply - not just 'one'.

Rom 13
8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Rom 8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Matt 3:15
15 But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him.
You transgress your belief of Mat 5:17-18.

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One wonders what it is like to be fixated on keeping days?

Free from the law—oh, blessed condition!
Jesus hath bled, and there is remission;
Cursed by the law and bruised by the fall,
Christ hath redeemed us once for all.
AMEN!! :amen: :bow: :ebil:

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...bbath-christ-will-profit-you-nothing.7714737/
if you observe Sabbath, Christ will profit you nothing.

MoreCoffee said:
Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

(Galatians 5:1-4)

The above scripture carries a message that is true; everybody who seeks to be justified by obeying the law has fallen from grace. This applies just as much to the one who seeks to gain God's favour by observing the 7th day as Sabbath in the belief that by so doing he/she shows themselves to be loyal followers of God and among those who "keep the commandments". One cannot be justified by works of the law.
 
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If only people would not keep arguing the same dead-end objections that beg to have the same Bible texts brought to answer the same exact objection as it is brought up dozens and dozens of times.

When you find texts for which you have no answer - you simply repeat the objection and insist that the answer no longer be posted. And that is "convincing"???
When your reply has been answered and I repeat my objection, I expect you to offer something new, not what I have already sufficiently answered. Repetition is not an argument. It's simply irritating and people don't read it. You are wasting everyone's time, including your own.
 
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When your reply has been answered and I repeat my objection, I expect you to offer something new, .

That is the strategy most often used for the irrefutable texts and evidence that your argument fails to answer. Simply repeat the question and hope for a response that is not quite so irrefutable.

I think we can all see how that strategy works.

Then when the irrefutable response is not found to "vanish" simply because "the objection to it prefers a more refutable one" - we are all supposed to just "not notice"?? The gap in such logic for dealing with those irrefutable posts is more than a little transparent. As it turns out.

Why would the objective unbiased reader ever fall for such methods??
 
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if you observe Sabbath, Christ will profit you nothing.

I love it when people "quote man" as their "proof" against what the Bible says to the contrary.

in the actual Bible - the LAW of God is written on the heart and mind Jer 31:31-33

In the actual Bible- ALL MANKIND comes before God to worship "from Sabbath to Sabbath" for all eternity in the New Earth - Is 66:23

In the actual Bible - "Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND" Mark 2:27

In the actual Bible - it is the lost that are at war with the Commandments of God - not the saints - Romans 8:4-9.

In the actual Bible "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

In the actual Bible - we "ESTABLISH the LAW by our Faith" Rom 3:31

And in real life - even the majority of pro-sunday scholars accept these "inconvenient details"

But in this fallen world "man simply quotes the word of man" when attempting to refute the Word of God.
 
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But the deal is not a jot or tittle shall pass from the law. Therefore its impossible for Jesus to be a priest as He's not from the tribe of Levi.

bugkiller

Until you read the actual Bible -- in Hebrews 8 "IF HE were on EARTH He would not be a priest at all"

The shadow types of animal sacrifices and human priesthood gives way to the heavenly reality of the ONCE FOR ALL sacrifice of Christ and HIS High Priestly ministry in Heb 8.

So then - nos such thing as "if you honor your parents then you must sacrifice animals" -- as we all know.
 
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Law commandments versus Grace

John 1:17: The law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ

Romans 6:14: Sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

The first of these shows us the great dispensational change which took place at the coming of Christ. The second, the result of that change so far as the believer is concerned. Under the new regime he obtains freedom from the slavery of sin.

In one respect law and grace are alike. Both set before us a very exalted standard - though even in this the latter excels. In all other respects they are exact opposites.

At Mount Sinai the law of Moses was given (Exodus 19; 20). God - but very little known, because still hidden in thick darkness - then laid down explicitly His righteous and holy demands. If men obeyed they were blessed: if they disobeyed they came under the law's solemn curse (Galatians 3:10). As a matter of fact the law was broken and the curse merited before there was time for the tables of stone to reach the people (Exodus 32). The succeeding chapter tells us how God dealt in mercy with them. Under law not tempered by mercy they must have instantly perished.

Grace, on the other hand, means that God having fully revealed Himself to us in His Son, all His righteous and holy demands have been met in Christ death and resurrection, so that blessing is available for all. To all who believe for giveness of sins and the gift of the Spirit are granted, so that there may be power to conform to Christ as a son of the Father, under which God's grace is nothing short of Christ Himself. The very essence of law, then, is to lead the unbeliever to Christ Himself, and Christ fulfills the demand to DO the law perfectly so that we never need to perform that law since Christ's grace on the cross is the full provision. We no longer are under the law to DO it for grace salvation. Christ alone has supplied that fulfillment of the law during His ministry and at the cross and resurrection.

Under law, God so to speak, stands before Israel saying, "DO the law ordinances! render to Me your love and obedience to My law." Under grace God sits with full hand outstretched, saying, "Take! receive My love and saving power and the propitiation by My Son."

The Law says, "Do and live". Grace says, "Live and love."

Now we believers, as we have seen, are not under law, but under grace. Let us see how that has come to pass. Galatians 4:4-5 will tell us: "When the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth His Son, made of a woman, made under the law, to redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons."

That which has made the change is in two words: propitiation and redemption. This involved the death of the Redeemer. The Son must needs be made a curse for us by dying on the tree as a propitiation (Galatians 3:13). Therefore, the believer is entitled to reckon himself as "dead to the law" and alive to Christ (Romans 7:4). The believer died in the death of his representative, Christ Jesus. The law did not die; on the contrary, never was its majesty so upheld as when Jesus died beneath its curse. Two things, however, did happen. First, the law being magnified and its curse borne, God suspends His wrath, and proclaims grace to all mankind. Second, the believer died to the law in the Christ Jesus of His great propitiation and redemption. The believer is, to use the Scripture language, "in Christ, even to Him who is raised from the dead" (Romans 7:4), i.e., The believer is now controlled by Holy Spirit, and the power of the risen Son of God.

Connected with these two things are two great facts.First, the law is not the ground of a sinner's justification. He is justified by grace, by the blood of Christ, by faith. This is fully reasoned out in Romans 3; 4. Second, the law is not the rule of life for the believer. Christ is that. Our connection is with Christ and not the law, as we have seen (Romans 7:4). This is fully exhorted in Galatians 3; 4.

The Galatians believers had started out well, converted under the preaching of the Gospel of the grace of God by the Apostle. Then came along the Judaizing mischief-makers, who were "zealous of the law," and taught circumcision and law-keeping. Under this bondage, under this snare, the Galatians fell from grace, and Paul had to correct them for their doctrinal error.

Paul's answer is virtually this, that the law was a provisional arrangement (Galatians 3:17), brought in to show up Israel's transgressions (v. 19), and acting as a schoolmaster "up to Christ" (v. 24), as it should read. Christ being come, redemption having been accomplished, and the Spirit having been given, the believer leaves the position of a child under age, or that of a servant, and becomes a son in the Divine household, being thus put in the liberty of grace (Galatians 4:1-7).

Inasmuch as the grace platform on to which we have been lifted is much higher than the law platform which we have left, to go back even in mind from the one to the other is to fall. " Ye are fallen from grace" is the apostle's word to such as do this.

The parable of the prodigal son illustrates the point. His highest thought did not rise above law, when he said, "Make me as one of thy hired servants." He was received, however, in pure grace, and the son's place inside was given. Suppose, however, that a few days after, under the plea of wishing to retain his father's affection and the place and privileges so freely bestowed, he had commenced working as a household drudge and rigidly conforming himself to the laws which governed the servants, what then? He would have "fallen from grace," and sadly grieved the heart of his father, since it would have been equivalent to a vote of "no confidence" in him.

How important, then, for us to have the heart "established with grace" (Hebrews 13:9).

What do you say to the idea that grace came in to help us to keep the law, so that we might go to heaven that way. Simply this, that it is totally opposed to Scripture. In the first place, the idea that keeping the law entitles a person to heaven is a fallacy. When the lawyer asked the Lord, "What shall I do to inherit eternal life?" he was referred to the law, and upon giving a correct summary of its demands, Jesus answered, "Thou hast answered right; this do, and thou shalt live" (Luke 10:25-28). There is not a word about going to heaven. Life upon earth for the Jew was the reward of law-keeping.

Succinctly, grace came in not to help us keep the law, but to bring us salvation from its curse by Another bearing it for us. Galatians 3 plainly shows this. If, however, further confirmation be required, read Romans 3, and notice that when law has convicted and closed man's mouth (vv. 9-19), grace through righteousness justifies "without the law" (vv. 20-24). Read also 1Timothy 1. Law is made to convict the ungodly (vv. 9, 10). The Gospel of grace presents Christ Jesus who "came into the world to save sinners" (v. 15.). The Gospel of Christ did not come to help sinners keep the law in order to attempt to save themselves. God forbid!

If the law was not given for us to keep and so be justified what was it given for? Let Scripture itself answer: "What things soever the law saith, it saith. . . that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God" (Romans 3:19), "The law entered, that the offence might abound" (Romans 5:20).

"Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions" (Galatians 3:19).

The law has, like every other institution of God, signally achieved its purpose. It can convict and silence the most obstinately self-conceited religionist. Grace alone can save him.

Then has grace set aside the law and annulled it for ever? Grace, personified in Christ Jesus, has borne the curse of the broken law, thereby redeeming all who believe from its curse (Galatians 3:13). Further, Christ has redeemed us from under the law itself and placed all our relationships with God on a new footing IN Christ (Galatians 4:4-6). These things we receive at the moment of faith and belief in Christ Jesus.

Now if the believer is no longer under law, but under grace, we must not suppose that the law itself is either annulled or set aside. Its majesty was never more clearly upheld than when the righteous One suffered as a Substitute under its curse, and multitudes will quail before its impeachment at the day of judgment (Romans 2:12).

What harm is there in a believer - saint adopting the law as a rule of life?

A great deal. By so doing he "falls from grace," for grace teaches as well as saves (Titus 2:11-14).

He also lowers the Divine standard. Not law but Christ is the standard for the believer.

If the believer further gets hold of the wrong motive power and attempts, though unsuccessfully, to keep the law and to control it by the power of the "flesh", then this believer will be ineffective. The Spirit of God is the power that permits us to be “led by the Spirit” (Romans 8:14-17) and the Sprit's power controls our flesh and conforms to Christ as a son (Galatians 4:1-7, 5:16-18).

Furthermore, it does violence to the relationships in which the believer under bondage of the law stands by the grace of God, making grace vain indeed! Though as a son in the liberty of the Father's house and heart, this type of believer insists on putting himself under the code of rules of law drawn up for the regulation of the servants' hall!

Is there no harm in all this? We venture to say there is.

If you teach that the believer - saint is not under the law, may it not lead to all kinds of wickedness?

It would if a person becames a believer - saint without the new birth, or repentance, without coming under the influence of grace and receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Since, however, no one is a believer - saint without these things, the case wears a different aspect, and to reason in the way suggested only betrays deplorable ignorance of the truth of the Gospel.

The argument simply comes to this: that the only way to make believers live holy lives is to keep them under the threat of the law, as if they had only a kind of sow-nature, and the only way to keep them out of the mire is to drive them back with sticks. The truth is that though the flesh is still within the believer, he has also the new nature, and it is with that that God identifies him. He has the Spirit of Christ to lead him, and hence he may be safely put under grace; for after all it is grace that subdues.

If people quarrel with this, their quarrel is with the Scripture quoted at first. "Sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace" (Romans 6:14). Unconverted men may attempt to use grace as a cloak for wickedness, but that is no reason for denying the truth stated in that verse. What truth is there which has not been abused by evil men?

Does Scripture indicate how grace keeps the believer in order, so that he may please God? It does. Titus 2:11-15 supplies the answer. In God's grace not only it saves us but it teaches truths about grace inside the full complement of scripture, and what an effective teacher the Holy Spirit is! It does not fill our heads with cold rules or regulations, but brings our hearts under the subduing influence of the love of God. We learn what is pleasing to Him as set forth in Christ Jesus, and having the Holy Spirit we begin to be led and live and think sober, righteous, and godly thoughts and actions.

There is a very great difference between a family of children kept in order by fear of the birch upon misbehaviour and those who live in a home where love rules. Order may reign in the former, but it will end in a big explosion ere the children come to years. In the latter there is not only obedience, but a joyful response to the parents' desires, the fruit of responsive affection.

God rules His sons and daughters (believer saints) on the love principle, and not on the birch-rod principle.

God's grace and His inheritance in the saints : www.abbafather.co/abbafather-law-grace.html
 
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Law commandments versus Grace

TWO gospels (one for OT and one for NT) -- vs ONE GOSPEL.

Gal 1:6-9 -- there is only ONE Gospel.
Gal 3:7 - "the GOSPEL was preached to Abraham"
Heb 4:1 - "WE have had the GOSPEL preached to US just as THEY also".
Matt 17 - MOSES AND Elijah BOTH are WITH CHRIST on the mount of transfiguration.
HEB - the giants of FAITH held up as examples to the NT saints -- are the OT saints.
John 8 "Abraham SAW MY DAY and was glad"
Jer 31:31-33 NEW Covenant - LAW written on the heart and mind.
Heb 8:6-10 - NEW Covenant - LAW written on the heart and mind.
1 Cor 7:19 "what MATTERS is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
Rev 14:12 - "Saints KEEP the Commandments of God and their faith in JESUS"
Rom 3:31 "Do we then make VOID the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW of God"
Eph 6:2 - the fifth commandment "is the FIRST Commandment WITH A promise" in the still-binding TEN Commandments

Gal 3 - the LAW is not at all contrary to grace or the Gospels - it is not 'another gospel'.

For all of eternity in the NEW Earth - "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23
Mark 2:27 "the SABBATH was MADE for mankind"

Matt 5:"19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. "
 
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"Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." (Romans 3:19,20)

This is the very purpose why the law was given to Moses at Sinai. To declare to the Jews that they have all sinned against God. The very same law also condemns the whole world outside of Israel then and now.

As for the Christian who are saved by the wonderful grace of God, we are reminded by the apostle Paul, "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." (Romans 10:3,4)

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." (Romans 3:31)

"What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet." (Romans 7:7)
 
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Question - why so much "war against God's Commandments" that we find from time to time??

Paul explains it.

Romans 8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
 
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