GillDouglas
Reformed Christian
- Dec 21, 2013
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You and Gil appear to be on the side of this issue, when we get right down to it. FWIW, I incline that way also, but I think the omnipresence of God and his place in bringing the person to saving Faith and keeping him secure are quite different from the suggestion some have made that we then are moved like puppets by God when it comes to us performing good deeds.
I understand this stance whole heartedly. When first coming to understand His sovereignty and our will I asked "How can a person be a free and responsible child of God if their actions have been predestined from eternity?" If we are convinced of the existence of God and of Him having the Power by which all things exist and are controlled, we are forced to figure out where the finite human will can find true and free expression under the authority of an Infinite Ruler. The answer is simple in that the same God who has ordained all events has also ordained human liberty.The problem with thinking that God micro-manages His human creation is no where in the Bible in any bible chapter.
Since the beginning Adam and Eve had free-will. God gave them SO MUCH free-will that sin entered the human race. Let us remember that Adam and Eve walked in PERFECT communion with God. Before sin, God was talking to them and communing with them in the garden.
Now there are a limited number of situations that God did intervene in some way, but that is the exception.
So SHOW ME with overwhelming evidence just how much God micro-manages His creation throughout the Bible. Even in the OT, God let Israel many times disobey Him, with consequences of course, but disobey they did.
So let's stop talking about theory for a while and let us get into the Bible and actual people and how Calvinism is represented through the people of the Bible.
This should be a new and interesting aspect that I believe will show Calvinism to be in error.
Man are not robots, as many claim we state. In the Divine plan, which is infinite in variety and complexity, which reaches from everlasting to everlasting, and which includes the billions of free wills who act under His watchful eye, God has ordained that human beings shall keep this liberty under His sovereignty. The Scripture writers themselves did not hesitate to affirm the absolute sway of God over the thoughts and intents of the heart, and they felt no embarrassment to include the acts of their free agency within His all-embracing plan.
Think of God like the sole foreman/head of a work site. He develops the plan of how a building will turn out. He hires the carpenters, masons, plumbers, electricians, etc. to do the work. They're not forced to do the work, but the foreman offers the necessary encouragement to do so so the men work freely and gladly. His will is primary and theirs are secondary in the construction of the building. The building will end up as the foreman intended and planned for, and the workers doing the roles they were hired for. He directs the actions without infringing upon the freedoms or responsibilities of the individidual.
Men freely act, according to His plan, unconsciously fulfilling Divine prophecy. There are many Biblical examples of this, one I find the best is Peter's denial of Jesus after He told Him specifically what He was going to do.
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