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SOMETHING happens then, but it is only a guess what - for God chose not to tell us. Something happens 1290 days too, but again we don't know what.
Both the 1290 days and 1335th days are measured from the day the AOD is setup to be worshiped. The 1335th day is the day of the blessing. 45 days prior to that, the sign of the Son of Man appears in heaven, the sixth seal in Revelation 6.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

The progressive revelation is Daniel 12:11-12 (Daniel), then Jesus said Sign of the Son of Man would appear in heaven (Matthew), then the sixth seal the world sees Jesus in heaven before the throne of God (Revelation).
 
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SOMETHING happens then, but it is only a guess what - for God chose not to tell us. Something happens 1290 days too, but again we don't know what.
You constantly display your lack of knowledge of what scripture actually says.
Daniel 12:11 says it will be 1290 days that the Temple will remain desecrated by the AoD. So at the end of that period the Temple will be cleansed and re-dedicated. Who is qualified to do that? Only Jesus and we know that the 'beast' is given power for only 1260 days. Jesus chains him up at the end of his time. Simple and scripturally correct.
What part of no one knowing the day or hour do you not get? What part of "after" do you not understand?
Typically, you confuse the Day of the Lord's wrath with the Day of His Return. They are NOT the same Days. The first happens at the Sixth Seal and the Return must be at lest 7 years later, I believe more like 15 years from the Day of wrath until the Return in glory, for all that is prophesied to happen.
We don't know the time of this forthcoming Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath, a terrible worldwide disaster that will set the scene for the last few years, but when the AoD is eventually placed in the Temple, we who know scripture will be able to count down the 1260 days and be ready to say: Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord.
 
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Daniel 12:11 says it will be 1290 days that the Temple will remain desecrated by the AoD.
At least 1335 days, not 1290 days. The 1290 days is from the time the Abomination is setup to be worshiped till something happens. Which that something is the events of the sixth seal, the cosmos parting and removed, to reveal Jesus in heaven before the throne of God.

Only Jesus and we know that the 'beast' is given power for only 1260 days
It says 42 months, not 1260 days. The beast is given power over the earth for that time, because he had killed the two witnesses on day 1260 who were preventing him from doing so. 3 1/2 days later, the two witnesses came back to life and ascended to heaven. Leaving 1256.5 days left in the 7 years - which the bible uses the term 42 months - for that reason, and not 1260 days in Revelation 13:5.
 
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Daniel 12:11 says it will be 1290 days that the Temple will remain desecrated by the AoD. So at the end of that period the Temple will be cleansed and re-dedicated.
Show me from the bible what specifically happens to the Abomination of Desolation that desecrated the temple, to cleanse the temple of it.
 
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Show me from the bible what specifically happens to the Abomination of Desolation that desecrated the temple, to cleanse the temple of it.
Revelation 11:2...the Temple is given over to the gentiles for 42 months....
2 Thessalonians 2:4....he enthrones himself in God's Temple, claiming to be God.
Daniel 9:27 & Daniel 11:31.....he will put a stop to the sacrifices and offerings.....he will desecrate the sanctuary....

What happens to the Anti-Christ?
Daniel 7:25-26......when the Court sits, he will be deprived of his sovereignty forever.
Revelation 20:2 Jesus seizes that ancient serpent and chains him up for 1000 years.

Re the Sixth Seal; how can you think all those disasters happen at the Return? And why would Jesus do that then?
But worst of all, how can a scroll be unrolled if the seals remain intact?
 
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Both the 1290 days and 1335th days are measured from the day the AOD is setup to be worshiped. The 1335th day is the day of the blessing. 45 days prior to that, the sign of the Son of Man appears in heaven, the sixth seal in Revelation 6.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

The progressive revelation is Daniel 12:11-12 (Daniel), then Jesus said Sign of the Son of Man would appear in heaven (Matthew), then the sixth seal the world sees Jesus in heaven before the throne of God (Revelation).
oh! You were doing SO WELL until you mentioned the 6th seal. WAKE UP! The 6th seal comes before the week begins, not at the end.

ANY theory that must rearrange John's God given chronology is immediately suspect and WILL BE proven wrong.
 
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You constantly display your lack of knowledge of what scripture actually says.
Daniel 12:11 says it will be 1290 days that the Temple will remain desecrated by the AoD. So at the end of that period the Temple will be cleansed and re-dedicated. Who is qualified to do that? Only Jesus and we know that the 'beast' is given power for only 1260 days. Jesus chains him up at the end of his time. Simple and scripturally correct.

Typically, you confuse the Day of the Lord's wrath with the Day of His Return. They are NOT the same Days. The first happens at the Sixth Seal and the Return must be at lest 7 years later, I believe more like 15 years from the Day of wrath until the Return in glory, for all that is prophesied to happen.
We don't know the time of this forthcoming Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath, a terrible worldwide disaster that will set the scene for the last few years, but when the AoD is eventually placed in the Temple, we who know scripture will be able to count down the 1260 days and be ready to say: Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord.

Thanks. That is certainly a possibility. That is except that part of the Beast being chained up. Sorry, but the BEAST and the False prophet are cast into the lake of fire. SATAN or the Dragon is bound. And you speak of my lack of knowledge on what the scriptures really say? Sorry, again, but the temple will be cleansed WITHOUT Jesus with a red heifer without spot or blemish to begin the daily sacrifices.

Sorry again, but you must be talking about someone else. I am not confused about the start of the Day. it will begin right on schedule at the 6th seal right where John TELLS US it will, which is written at the 6th seal in the 6th chapter. Jesus does not return until chapter 19. 15 years? What bible are you studying? It will be a little over 7 years.

WRONG AGAIN! Jesus does NOT come back 1260 days after the abomination. That is MYTH. You amaze me.
 
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At least 1335 days, not 1290 days. The 1290 days is from the time the Abomination is setup to be worshiped till something happens. Which that something is the events of the sixth seal, the cosmos parting and removed, to reveal Jesus in heaven before the throne of God.


It says 42 months, not 1260 days. The beast is given power over the earth for that time, because he had killed the two witnesses on day 1260 who were preventing him from doing so. 3 1/2 days later, the two witnesses came back to life and ascended to heaven. Leaving 1256.5 days left in the 7 years - which the bible uses the term 42 months - for that reason, and not 1260 days in Revelation 13:5.
You also amaze me. It seems you know nothing of John's chronology, or just don't believe it.

the two witnesses came back to life and ascended to heaven. Leaving 1256.5 days left in the 7 years

Sorry, but this is WAY out of whack! They BEGIN testifying just 3 1/2 days before the midpoint, testify for 1260 days, which takes them to just 3 1/2 days before the 7th vial that ends the week. They lay dead for those 3.5 days, they rise up at the 7th vial, when ALL the Old Testament saints will rise. So when they rise from the dead, the week is OVER.
 
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Revelation 11:2...the Temple is given over to the gentiles for 42 months....
2 Thessalonians 2:4....he enthrones himself in God's Temple, claiming to be God.
Daniel 9:27 & Daniel 11:31.....he will put a stop to the sacrifices and offerings.....he will desecrate the sanctuary....

What happens to the Anti-Christ?
Daniel 7:25-26......when the Court sits, he will be deprived of his sovereignty forever.
Revelation 20:2 Jesus seizes that ancient serpent and chains him up for 1000 years.

Re the Sixth Seal; how can you think all those disasters happen at the Return? And why would Jesus do that then?
But worst of all, how can a scroll be unrolled if the seals remain intact?
That is the best thing I have seen you write! Good comment!
 
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Sorry again, but you must be talking about someone else. I am not confused about the start of the Day. it will begin right on schedule at the 6th seal right where John TELLS US it will, which is written at the 6th seal in the 6th chapter. Jesus does not return until chapter 19. 15 years? What bible are you studying? It will be a little over 7 years.
Well, we agree that the Sixth Seal is the next prophesied event.
The next Seal is the Seventh, which is a time gap of about a half hour in heaven. Not a half hour on earth, but just in heaven. The Bible tells us twice that 1 day to God in heaven is the same as 1000 years on earth. Therefore a simple calculation of 1/48 of a day and 1/48th of 1000 years = 20.8 years. 'About' that time could be 25 - 15 years. I believe that from the Sixth Seal until the Return, will be 15/16 years. This allows for the last 7 years of Daniel and the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9
 
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You also amaze me. It seems you know nothing of John's chronology, or just don't believe it.

the two witnesses came back to life and ascended to heaven. Leaving 1256.5 days left in the 7 years

Sorry, but this is WAY out of whack! They BEGIN testifying just 3 1/2 days before the midpoint, testify for 1260 days, which takes them to just 3 1/2 days before the 7th vial that ends the week. They lay dead for those 3.5 days, they rise up at the 7th vial, when ALL the Old Testament saints will rise. So when they rise from the dead, the week is OVER.
It is as I wrote.

In Revelation 13 with 42 months left in the 7 years, the beast is not fighting the two witnesses. And in Revelation 11, it is not until the end of the two witnesses 1260 days that the beast makes war on them and kills them. Which in your scenario the two witnesses would be testifying while the beast cordially stands by for most of their 1260 days, and does nothing least he be rude to interrupt their preaching.

Then in your scenario, at the end of the seven years, the beast finally gets around to making war on them and kills them. And you seem to think that with the conditions of the world at the end of the great tribulation in a state of near total annihilation, people of the world will be exchanging presents over the death of the two witnesses? And somehow you think that the internet and TV infrastructure, electric power, will be going on then as it is now?

No, you have it wrong. The two witnesses are killed when the person first becomes the beast. The world will have been been in a state of false security and safety for over 3 years. All of the internet and TV infrastructure will be in place, so the world can witness the events of the two witnesses their bodies lying dead in the street. It will be broadcast news.

Some times you have to think about what is not written in the text - like how the world is going to know about the two witnesses death. How they are going to see the two witnesses comeback to life. And what are the conditions in the world at the time.
 
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It is as I wrote.

In Revelation 13 with 42 months left in the 7 years, the beast is not fighting the two witnesses. And in Revelation 11, it is not until the end of the two witnesses 1260 days that the beast makes war on them and kills them. Which in your scenario the two witnesses would be testifying while the beast cordially stands by for most of their 1260 days, and does nothing least he be rude to interrupt their preaching.

Then in your scenario, at the end of the seven years, the beast finally gets around to making war on them and kills them. And you seem to think that with the conditions of the world at the end of the great tribulation in a state of near total annihilation, people of the world will be exchanging presents over the death of the two witnesses? And somehow you think that the internet and TV infrastructure, electric power, will be going on then as it is now?

No, you have it wrong. The two witnesses are killed when the person first becomes the beast. The world will have been been in a state of false security and safety for over 3 years. All of the internet and TV infrastructure will be in place, so the world can witness the events of the two witnesses their bodies lying dead in the street. It will be broadcast news.

Some times you have to think about what is not written in the text - like how the world is going to know about the two witnesses death. How they are going to see the two witnesses comeback to life. And what are the conditions in the world at the time.

1st, something like the end of the world occurs (6th seal + Trumpets 1-4)

5 months of collapse of what people would call "civilization" (Trumpet 5)

Abaddon (aka the Antichrist, leader of the 7 headed, 10 horned, 7 crowned dragon of Revelation 12:2 [this dragon is also the 7th beast of Revelation 17]) starts rallying his troops (which I assume to be protesters, protesting evil govt's (which they are, without a doubt)

The call to restore Jerusalem unto the "Messiah" occurs 49 days/ 7 weeks before this 5 months is up.

Start of the 6th trumpet and civilization is rebooted. Abaddon is crowned the "Messiah"/ is anointed the messiah of Israel. This is the 7 headed, 10 horns, 7 crowned dragon still, now ruling in Jerusalem. Trumpet 6 lasts for 1 year, 1 month, 1 day, 1 hour (Revelation 9:15) which put another way is 354 days (Jewish lunar year) + 30 days + 1 day + 1 hour = 385 days. Same 385 day period in Daniel 9:24-27. The time frame between the 7th week when the anointed one comes and the 62nd week when Abaddon is cut off and has nothing. 62 - 7 weeks is 55 weeks which is 385 days.

Then the people of the prince to come cause the flood and the woman goes into the wilderness for 1260 days. This flood is the same as Revelation 12:14-17.

The "most holy" are anointed: the 2 witnesses start. The 2 witnesses are the most holy anointed. Zechariah 4:14

Then the 8th beast of Revelation 17 comes, the resurrected 7th head. This resurrected head then makes/ confirms the Mosaic covenant/ 7 year covenant.

Only after 3.5 years go by does the false prophet show up! The resurrected 7th head (which is now the Revelation 13 beast with 7 heads, 10 horns, 10 crowns) has overseen the Jewish temple and sacrifices for 1150 days or 1260 days. 'Everyone' is shocked when 3.5 years later he calls himself God and mandates the image worship. Again, the standard model holds that the antichrist is resurrected and then immediately thereafter an image is set up. People say that "He is now possessed by Satan". But he already was Satan! He didn't get "possessed by Satan". The image gets set up 3.5 years into the 7 years.

All of this is a straight reading of Daniel 9.

24“Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.

25“So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress.

[["messiah"/ an 'anointed one' comes after 7 weeks and after 62 weeks. 62 -7 weeks = 55 weeks /385 days. After 7 weeks comes the 7th beast, the Rev 12 dragon with 7 heads, 10 horns, and 7 crowns. After 62 weeks comes the resurrected head, the 8th beast which is the "beast from the sea" of Rev 13 with 7 heads, 10 horns, and 10 crowns.

At the 5th Trumpet, the Rev 12 dragon/ aka 7th beast from the bottomless pit/ abyss comes up and is king of the locusts/ tares (which looks like Christian "wheat"). Abaddon is king over these, but not over the apostate "Israel" yet. 5 months later, he is anointed. 7 weeks prior to this anointing, Israel makes the decree to rebuild Jerusalem.

After 55 weeks, the "after the 62 weeks, the anointed one is cut off"/ after 385 days, the 7th beast is killed and replaced by the next beast, the 8th beast, the resurrected 7th head, the beast from the sea of REv 13. The Rev 13 8th beast makes the 7 year covenant. After 1260 days go by, the false prophet comes and forces the image worship.]



26“Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.

[this flood is the same flood mentioned in Rev 12:15-16. The war in heaven with Michael and Satan leads to the death of the 7th beast. Michael kills the 7th beast, the dragon with 7 heads, 10 horns, 7 crowns. Satan is cast down to the earth and is resurrected into the 8th beast, the beast from the sea. 3.5 years later comes the false prophet and the image worship. The 666 is not in play until 3.5 years after the resurrection, not at the same time as in the traditional model.]

27“And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.”

[[the resurrected 7th head makes the firm covenant and then 3.5 years later the false prophet comes.]]

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

[[this means here that the antichrist continues for 1260 days. Then the false prpohet arrives. Look at the verses above and below: he blasphemes then continues for 1260 days. Then he blasphemes God at the mid point of the 7 years.]]

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.​
 
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It is as I wrote.

In Revelation 13 with 42 months left in the 7 years, the beast is not fighting the two witnesses. And in Revelation 11, it is not until the end of the two witnesses 1260 days that the beast makes war on them and kills them. Which in your scenario the two witnesses would be testifying while the beast cordially stands by for most of their 1260 days, and does nothing least he be rude to interrupt their preaching.

Then in your scenario, at the end of the seven years, the beast finally gets around to making war on them and kills them. And you seem to think that with the conditions of the world at the end of the great tribulation in a state of near total annihilation, people of the world will be exchanging presents over the death of the two witnesses? And somehow you think that the internet and TV infrastructure, electric power, will be going on then as it is now?

No, you have it wrong. The two witnesses are killed when the person first becomes the beast. The world will have been been in a state of false security and safety for over 3 years. All of the internet and TV infrastructure will be in place, so the world can witness the events of the two witnesses their bodies lying dead in the street. It will be broadcast news.

Some times you have to think about what is not written in the text - like how the world is going to know about the two witnesses death. How they are going to see the two witnesses comeback to life. And what are the conditions in the world at the time.

Wow! You said it - you just don't believe it. Indeed the beast does stand by, but NOT by His will. It is simply that he CANNOT Kill them. He really would want to but cannot because they are not finished.

the beast finally gets around to making war on them and kills them.

NO! Of course he will have probably tried to kill them numerous times: but cannot.

You should know, the Beast will not be revealed as the beast until he does the abomination, at the midpoint so it is impossible for them to chat in the first half. Besides, that is simply not the way it is written. John mentions them at the moment they appear, which will be 3.5 days before the midpoint.

finally, the very first time God spoke to me about Revelation, He sent me to find the exact midpoint "clearly marked." I asked Him how I would find that and He replied that EVERY TIME he mentioned an event that would go from the midpoint to the end of the week, He always included the 3 1/2 year period of time. Their 1260 days would certainly be one of those mentions.

All I can say is, it MUST BE a time when many will see the abomination. It will be just before the great earthquake that destroys the cities of the world, so much of the infrastructure must still be intact.
 
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Well, we agree that the Sixth Seal is the next prophesied event.
The next Seal is the Seventh, which is a time gap of about a half hour in heaven. Not a half hour on earth, but just in heaven. The Bible tells us twice that 1 day to God in heaven is the same as 1000 years on earth. Therefore a simple calculation of 1/48 of a day and 1/48th of 1000 years = 20.8 years. 'About' that time could be 25 - 15 years. I believe that from the Sixth Seal until the Return, will be 15/16 years. This allows for the last 7 years of Daniel and the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9
You know whats funny. Im not sure if what you say is 100% correct for that matter but it does line up with the UN's goal deadline to push for global governance by 2030 which is 14 years from now. :)
Just something I had too throw out there... Scriptures are one way to grasp an idea of the things to come but paying action to what our world organizations are doing and plan can confirm it.
 
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1st, something like the end of the world occurs (6th seal + Trumpets 1-4)

5 months of collapse of what people would call "civilization" (Trumpet 5)

Abaddon (aka the Antichrist, leader of the 7 headed, 10 horned, 7 crowned dragon of Revelation 12:2 [this dragon is also the 7th beast of Revelation 17]) starts rallying his troops (which I assume to be protesters, protesting evil govt's (which they are, without a doubt)

The call to restore Jerusalem unto the "Messiah" occurs 49 days/ 7 weeks before this 5 months is up.

Start of the 6th trumpet and civilization is rebooted. Abaddon is crowned the "Messiah"/ is anointed the messiah of Israel. This is the 7 headed, 10 horns, 7 crowned dragon still, now ruling in Jerusalem. Trumpet 6 lasts for 1 year, 1 month, 1 day, 1 hour (Revelation 9:15) which put another way is 354 days (Jewish lunar year) + 30 days + 1 day + 1 hour = 385 days. Same 385 day period in Daniel 9:24-27. The time frame between the 7th week when the anointed one comes and the 62nd week when Abaddon is cut off and has nothing. 62 - 7 weeks is 55 weeks which is 385 days.

Then the people of the prince to come cause the flood and the woman goes into the wilderness for 1260 days. This flood is the same as Revelation 12:14-17.

The "most holy" are anointed: the 2 witnesses start. The 2 witnesses are the most holy anointed. Zechariah 4:14

Then the 8th beast of Revelation 17 comes, the resurrected 7th head. This resurrected head then makes/ confirms the Mosaic covenant/ 7 year covenant.

Only after 3.5 years go by does the false prophet show up! The resurrected 7th head (which is now the Revelation 13 beast with 7 heads, 10 horns, 10 crowns) has overseen the Jewish temple and sacrifices for 1150 days or 1260 days. 'Everyone' is shocked when 3.5 years later he calls himself God and mandates the image worship. Again, the standard model holds that the antichrist is resurrected and then immediately thereafter an image is set up. People say that "He is now possessed by Satan". But he already was Satan! He didn't get "possessed by Satan". The image gets set up 3.5 years into the 7 years.

All of this is a straight reading of Daniel 9.

24“Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.

25“So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress.

[["messiah"/ an 'anointed one' comes after 7 weeks and after 62 weeks. 62 -7 weeks = 55 weeks /385 days. After 7 weeks comes the 7th beast, the Rev 12 dragon with 7 heads, 10 horns, and 7 crowns. After 62 weeks comes the resurrected head, the 8th beast which is the "beast from the sea" of Rev 13 with 7 heads, 10 horns, and 10 crowns.

At the 5th Trumpet, the Rev 12 dragon/ aka 7th beast from the bottomless pit/ abyss comes up and is king of the locusts/ tares (which looks like Christian "wheat"). Abaddon is king over these, but not over the apostate "Israel" yet. 5 months later, he is anointed. 7 weeks prior to this anointing, Israel makes the decree to rebuild Jerusalem.

After 55 weeks, the "after the 62 weeks, the anointed one is cut off"/ after 385 days, the 7th beast is killed and replaced by the next beast, the 8th beast, the resurrected 7th head, the beast from the sea of REv 13. The Rev 13 8th beast makes the 7 year covenant. After 1260 days go by, the false prophet comes and forces the image worship.]



26“Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.

[this flood is the same flood mentioned in Rev 12:15-16. The war in heaven with Michael and Satan leads to the death of the 7th beast. Michael kills the 7th beast, the dragon with 7 heads, 10 horns, 7 crowns. Satan is cast down to the earth and is resurrected into the 8th beast, the beast from the sea. 3.5 years later comes the false prophet and the image worship. The 666 is not in play until 3.5 years after the resurrection, not at the same time as in the traditional model.]

27“And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.”

[[the resurrected 7th head makes the firm covenant and then 3.5 years later the false prophet comes.]]

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

[[this means here that the antichrist continues for 1260 days. Then the false prpohet arrives. Look at the verses above and below: he blasphemes then continues for 1260 days. Then he blasphemes God at the mid point of the 7 years.]]

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.​
Readers, this is pretty much myth: no one will know who the Beast of chapter 13 will be until he, the man of sin, enters the temple and declares he is god. That is when he will be "revealed." And at that time he is given the 42 months of authority. Shortly after he is revealed the false prophet will show up. Shortly after that, they will build the image and create the mark. This might be late in Rev. 14. By Revelation 15, the days of great tribulation will begin, as death will come to all who refuse to bow to the beast and accept the mark. By Rev. 15 the beheaded martyrs begin showing up in heaven. No vial is poured out yet. God will allow these days of GT to extend for a while, but then will begin pouring out the vials to shorten those days of GT. I certainly don't know where this writer came up with all his numbers.
 
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Well, we agree that the Sixth Seal is the next prophesied event.
The next Seal is the Seventh, which is a time gap of about a half hour in heaven. Not a half hour on earth, but just in heaven. The Bible tells us twice that 1 day to God in heaven is the same as 1000 years on earth. Therefore a simple calculation of 1/48 of a day and 1/48th of 1000 years = 20.8 years. 'About' that time could be 25 - 15 years. I believe that from the Sixth Seal until the Return, will be 15/16 years. This allows for the last 7 years of Daniel and the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9
Since the 70th week is only 7 years, then by your theory that is a LONG space of time between the 6th seal and the 7th that begins the week, and/or a long period of time after the week ends before JEsus comes. Since He said His coming will be "immediately after," I think that rules out chapters 17 & 18 taking a long time: perhaps only months.

Neither do I think the sealing of the 144,000 will take long. Therefore I cannot see many years. I would rather think 7 years plus maybe two more months. That "half hour" may well be John's earth time - what seemed like a half hour to him.
 
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You know whats funny. Im not sure if what you is 100% correct for that matter but it does line up with the UN's goal deadline to push for global governance by 2030 which is 14 years from now. :)
Thanks, I am confident that I'm right on this issue. It allows the last few years to fit into prophecy logically.
I believe the One World Govt will be established soon after the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster.

The commentaries and a lot of peoples theories about the Seventh Seal, are weird and wonderful to say the least! Why not read and understand Revelation 8:1 exactly as it is written?
 
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Since the 70th week is only 7 years, then by your theory that is a LONG space of time between the 6th seal and the 7th that begins the week, and/or a long period of time after the week ends before JEsus comes. Since He said His coming will be "immediately after," I think that rules out chapters 17 & 18 taking a long time: perhaps only months.
There must be more time that only 7 years for all that is prophesied for the end times to take place.
We know the Sixth Seal will happen next and that worldwide disaster will set the scene for the establishment of the OWG. The Lord's righteous people will gather and live in all of the Holy Land. Ezekiel 34:11-31 and many other prophesies. All this may take 2 or more years. Then the Gog/Magog attack upon them, the new nation of Beulah: Isaiah 62:1-5, 7 years is required for the clean up. Because this attack is totally wiped out, the leader of the OWG will eventually come to them and make a 7 year peace treaty with Beulah. This is a bad mistake and the AC leader will break that treaty at the mid point and conquer them, but those whose faith in God remains firm, Daniel 11:32, will be taken to a place of safety on earth for the last 1260 days before the Return, Revelation 12:14, when they will be gathered by Jesus' angels back to Jerusalem. Matthew 24:31
 
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  1. Rapture
  2. Antichrist revealed/Start of Tribulation
  3. Seal judgments & start of 2 Witnesses (for 3 1/2 years) & Trumpet judgments 1-4
  4. Antichrist turns against Israel and pursues her, but she's protected for 3 1/2 years; 2 Witnesses killed
  5. Trumpet judgments 5-7 & Bowl judgments 1-7
  6. Second Coming & Battle of Armageddon
  7. satan cast to pit & Antichrist, False Prophet cast to LOF & unsaved killed
  8. Millennium
  9. Battle of Gog and Magog; unsaved killed
  10. Great White Throne judgment & satan, unsaved to LOF
  11. New Heaven, New Earth, New Jerusalem
Details available upon request ;-)
This pretty well sums it up.
 
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This pretty well sums it up.
The detail missing is what happens to allow the AC to gain power.
Plus, of course, the 'rapture' described by Paul in 1 Thess 4:15-17 happens at the Return.
 
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