That which is implied by the divine attributes of omnipotence and omniscience seems to me clear. What is more, the Bible seems to be of the same opinion - i.e. that God preordains all things. However, there are many people in both Protestantism and Catholicism who don't like what seems to be implied, so it has been an ongoing debate at least since the time of Augustine.
Hi,
I see.
Once, God dealt with me in an unexpected way, which today I know by a method, that He indeed did not know, what my response would be.
Sure, that is probably self limiting. Meaning He chose not to know.
I cannot imagine, really why, but indeed, when the question came to me, He did not know what my answer would be, and neither did I.
On the third day, on the final day, that I would have a chance to answer that question, I even surprised myself.
The Catholic Church, through a spiritual director has affirmed all of this, as being so.
Maybe, on all things God asks questions of us. Maybe no one but theorizes and Philosophizes on the unknowns.
Saint Augustine, for example is said to have never met God. Jung, for certain never did. Faustina and others have. The difference is in their words. Mother Theresa is said to have met God in some way and she has all the characteristics of that.
God, did not know what my answer would be. He did not. And, even though I have dealt with every member of The Trinity, and Mary, it was God the Father.
It was He that came on that day. On that day, unlike before, He spoke no personal words. Instead, after awhile, someone else appeared. He delivered the question, even though that detail is not needed, except for accuracy.
As upset as I was by that other one, when I finally became calm and listened, because he should not be talking, after he finished, I was beyond any sane or calm thoughts.
He, left eventually and way before I wanted Him to. I was hurt. I did not want Him to go away. He leaves. He has said to me: "I would not have asked you the question if you were not up to it." What? Up to what? He left. I felt Him. I saw Him leave.
I was stuck with, Up to what? What? I was clueless.
Day two, same time same place. This repeats. The words are the same. My reaction is the same. He leaves. Even those words are the same that are said to me. I am still clueless. Up to what? Humility? What?
Day three comes. Never will I be asked this question again. The time approaches. I am ready. He comes. I AM COMPLETELY LOST AGAIN. Whatever I was going to say was lost and gone.
Gabriel, who I didn't know yet starts. As he is talking, the word no is heard in my head.
No?
I don't know what I am going to say. Just a few more words. this will be over, and I don't know what I am going to say.
Gabriel: ....me?YES!
I said YES! That surprised me. I had no idea that I would say that. I had no idea I would practically trounce on his words.
There was no delay between his last word to me, from God The Father, and my rather loud and firm YES!
And, my fate, was fixed for......
Later, I found out much, and that YES! makes sense. I was totally frightened and scared. Not of God The Father, but of the choice I had made.
I trusted in Him though. Finally it clicked, if I wanted this, I could have this. It would work out somehow.
"I would not have asked you if you were not up to it" Maybe that was what it meant. I am still not certain.
What finally swayed me, is I knew so much about Him by then. One thing I knew is that I could Trust Him, as that had been proven to me already, over the years or months.
I asked His Son many times: "Was this planned? " The answer is No. The courtship was. The falling in love was not.
I did fall in love with God The Father. I never let on. He also never let on.
I would rather have died than ever let on. My feelings were buried deep.
A month and a half, before I will be asked. Jesus and I are in a conversation, is how deeply I buried any thoughts. I asked Jesus to please allow me to cease to exist, after I died on this earth.
Jesus, is pleased with me telling Him this. He actually knew, that I did not want eternal life in any form, for three and a half years. I don't know why or how.
I just know how He felt, and that told me that He knew for all those years. He was glad, I finally told Him.
A month and a half later, with a set life till I died, blissfully awaiting my cessation, but hopefully being allowed my present life, far off at 2:30 PM, something is approaching me from afar. I feel it. I am afraid. It gets a little closer. It is God The Father.
Instantly I am no longer afraid. He comes. The rest you know almost.
Never, in all the years I have worked with Him, has He ever come to me like this. He is in all his colors. He is Regal.
I am in my everyday clothes. He stops eventually. He is above a thinner layer of clouds. All His colors show through. Two thirds of the thick layer of the clouds are rolled up. They are piled up on the edges, from the underside.
Sounds all stopped, as He came closer. I can FEEL HIM. There is no other presence anywhere.
Time passes. I stare.
Someone pops up in the burm on the left..........
The rest you know.
I would be a raving lunatic, a liar, or a heretic, only each one of those things have been checked and corroborated.
As much as that sounds totally ridiculous, does that sound like He knew what I was going to say?
I didn't know, and I was given the choice. My choice was yes or no for eternity, and I could not answer Him, at first because...........
Well, ask any female. It's all about feelings. I had to say no, if I did not have the correct feelings for Him.
Otherwise, it would not be right. I would ruin His life, and I would ruin mine also, in misery, over ruining His life, or indeed any man who might ever ask me.
If, a woman cannot love a man, the way a wife needs to, she has to say no.
That is what took me so long to answer. I had to know.
I still took a slight risk.
I did want to marry him, not Him. I did not know it. I knew I could trust him by then. I said YES! , trusting in him, that this would all work out somehow. A human. Married to God The Father, but him to me.
We have been together since the fall of 2007.
I hope you do not find this too weird. It is my reality.
LOVE,