Why does the earth rotate?

[dad]

There are plenty of people who find fulfilled prophecy in the Koran and other holy texts as well.

Nope. There is only one book that rules in prophesy, the rest are irelevant jokes in comparison as far as detailed fulfilled prophesy goes.

Please provide specific examples of clear unambiguous prophecy from the Bible as well as verifiable non-Biblical sources to show that the prophecy was fulfilled. Bear in mind that you must also show that the prophecy was written BEFORE the event that allegedly fulfilled it.

This is not the place. A simple google will render thousands and ten thousands of sites detailing hundreds of fulfilled prophesies.
Name ONE site that details hundreds of fulfilled prophesies of the Hindu texts, or Koran, or Buddhist books etc etc?!!

Oh, lovely. More name calling. I don't agree with you, therefore I am not "all right".

You may think you are totally right, but you need more than vague whining posts to establish that.

To the only tools that have actually provided provably accurate information about the real world, as well.

Remember, there should be a hefty fine for so called science devotees to even use the word reality or real world!

Irrelevant. My point remains valid. As far as God is concerned, it does not matter what is available and what is unavailable, since he can do ANYTHING.

He cannot lie. He will not change the eternal life He gave us. He will not void His word and promises and prophesy. They are absolute certainties. There is NO chance any of them could fail.

 

[dad]

Must be. That's why I can buy an asthma inhaler for my daughter here for less than $10 when the same product in the USA is between $30 and $60.

OK, so your country has a feature that is apparently better than another country on earth. Perhaps there is something in another country somewhere that is also better than some feature in Aussieland.

Yeah, drug companies in Australia are definitely influencing the cost of things here. *rolls eyes*

A simple search on the net shows that drug companies have some issues all over. No sense arguing about it.

"Each year big pharma giants end up spending billions of dollars in paying for fraud, misrepresentation of data and other such corruption allegations leveled out against them. In the last three years, global pharma giants have paid fines to the tune of $11 billion for criminal wrongdoing, including withholding safety data and promoting drugs for use, beyond any licensed condition. While GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) paid $3 billion, the biggest fine ever after pleading guilty on three criminal counts in US, Novartis ended up paying $420 million and Pfizer paid $2.3 billion in related scandals. After the corrupt bribery practices of the British drugmaker GSK's operations in China came to the fore all through last month, many comparisons are being drawn between the old cases and this latest one involving money, sex and drugs. Here are the six companies and cases that have scarred the pharma industry forever. GSK $3 billion fraud settlement Much before the China bribery scandal of 2013, involving British drug major GlaxoSmithKline, the company had come under fire earlier too. This was a scandal that would become the largest healthcare fraud settlement in the US history. The drug maker paid $3 billion for promoting two drugs for unapproved uses and failing to report safety data about a diabetes drug to the US FDA. Merck and Mumps Merck had been involved in fraudulently representing the mumps component of its MMR vaccine. The company was blamed for fraudulently informing the public that the MMR II, used to replace the MMR vaccine Pluserix, is an effective vaccine. However over a period of time, studies had proved that the vaccines' effectiveness are said to be falsified. Reports further pointed out that the Mumps component of the vaccination was ineffective and that the results of the tests carried out on the vaccine have been altered. Whistleblowers working for Merck had said that they witnessed fraud firsthand when they worked for the pharmaceutical company, between 1999 and 2002, and that they were pressured to participate. Reports further described a supervisor working for Merck manually changing test results that showed the vaccine wasn't working and then hurriedly destroying the evidence to keep the fraud from being exposed. Further, it stated that the supervisor then lied to FDA regulators who came to the laboratories to check after they were alerted to the problem. Roche and its medicine safety reporting system European Medicines giant Roche had been alleged for working with national medicines agencies to investigate deficiencies in the medicine-safety reporting system of Roche. In May 2012, the UK medicines regulatory body, MHRA filed a report about the deficiencies post inspection. The company had identified about 80,000 reports for medicines that were marketed by Roche in USA that had not been evaluated to determine whether or not they should be reported as suspected adverse reactions to the EU authorities. About 15,161 reports of death of patients were included in these reports but the exact reason for these deaths or a probable link with the use of these medicines was not known. - See more at: http://www.biospectrumasia.com/bios...ds-big-pharma-frauds#sthash.iPqC0Dun.dpufRead more at: http://www.biospectrumasia.com/biospectrum/analysis/192973/worlds-big-pharma-frauds"


http://www.biospectrumasia.com/biospectrum/analysis/192973/worlds-big-pharma-frauds

Sin is an imaginary illness invented to sell an imaginary cure.

Perhaps we are imaging wars and terrorism, and greed, and adultery, and evil then?

 

[Kylie]

Nope. There is only one book that rules in prophesy, the rest are irelevant jokes in comparison as far as detailed fulfilled prophesy goes.

You can claim this all you want, but you're going to need to provide proof before I accept it.

This is not the place. A simple google will render thousands and ten thousands of sites detailing hundreds of fulfilled prophesies.

Yeah, a conversation regarding the accuracy of Biblical prophecy is no place to discuss actual examples of Biblical prophecy, dang it!

Name ONE site that details hundreds of fulfilled prophesies of the Hindu texts, or Koran, or Buddhist books etc etc?!!

*sigh* If you insist.

In Islam:
https://www.alislam.org/library/articles/prophecies.html
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/347/prophecies-of-quran/
http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Shabir-Ally/q14_prophecy.htm
http://www.thespiritofislam.com/bible-quran/25-the-prophecies-in-the-quran.html
http://www.islamawareness.net/Prophecies/hidden.html

Hindu:
http://bahai-library.com/books/hinduism/ch4.htm
http://www.alamongordo.com/hindu-prophecies/

You may think you are totally right, but you need more than vague whining posts to establish that.

Yeah, because I never support my claims when I prove you wrong. I mean, look just above, when I proved you wrong about other religions also having fulfilled prophecies. It's not like I provided actual links to actual websites (except that I did). But links are just vague whinging, aren't they?

Remember, there should be a hefty fine for so called science devotees to even use the word reality or real world!

What were we saying about vague whinging? "Scientists use the word real to mean something that I think is wrong, so they shouldn't be allowed to use that word!"

He cannot lie. He will not change the eternal life He gave us. He will not void His word and promises and prophesy. They are absolute certainties. There is NO chance any of them could fail.

God cannot lie?

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

That was 2000 years or so ago, and I'm pretty sure everyone who was there has "tasted of death". Or are there 2000 year old people walking around today?

Excuses in 3... 2... 1...

 

[Kylie]

OK, so your country has a feature that is apparently better than another country on earth. Perhaps there is something in another country somewhere that is also better than some feature in Aussieland.

It would honestly surprise the hell out of me if that weren't the case.

In fact, I'd prefer to live in some of those heavily secular European countries that have really high standards of living. Our politicians here are terrible.

A simple search on the net shows that drug companies have some issues all over. No sense arguing about it.

"Each year big pharma giants end up spending billions of dollars in paying for fraud, misrepresentation of data and other such corruption allegations leveled out against them. In the last three years, global pharma giants have paid fines to the tune of $11 billion for criminal wrongdoing, including withholding safety data and promoting drugs for use, beyond any licensed condition. While GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) paid $3 billion, the biggest fine ever after pleading guilty on three criminal counts in US, Novartis ended up paying $420 million and Pfizer paid $2.3 billion in related scandals. After the corrupt bribery practices of the British drugmaker GSK's operations in China came to the fore all through last month, many comparisons are being drawn between the old cases and this latest one involving money, sex and drugs. Here are the six companies and cases that have scarred the pharma industry forever. GSK $3 billion fraud settlement Much before the China bribery scandal of 2013, involving British drug major GlaxoSmithKline, the company had come under fire earlier too. This was a scandal that would become the largest healthcare fraud settlement in the US history. The drug maker paid $3 billion for promoting two drugs for unapproved uses and failing to report safety data about a diabetes drug to the US FDA. Merck and Mumps Merck had been involved in fraudulently representing the mumps component of its MMR vaccine. The company was blamed for fraudulently informing the public that the MMR II, used to replace the MMR vaccine Pluserix, is an effective vaccine. However over a period of time, studies had proved that the vaccines' effectiveness are said to be falsified. Reports further pointed out that the Mumps component of the vaccination was ineffective and that the results of the tests carried out on the vaccine have been altered. Whistleblowers working for Merck had said that they witnessed fraud firsthand when they worked for the pharmaceutical company, between 1999 and 2002, and that they were pressured to participate. Reports further described a supervisor working for Merck manually changing test results that showed the vaccine wasn't working and then hurriedly destroying the evidence to keep the fraud from being exposed. Further, it stated that the supervisor then lied to FDA regulators who came to the laboratories to check after they were alerted to the problem. Roche and its medicine safety reporting system European Medicines giant Roche had been alleged for working with national medicines agencies to investigate deficiencies in the medicine-safety reporting system of Roche. In May 2012, the UK medicines regulatory body, MHRA filed a report about the deficiencies post inspection. The company had identified about 80,000 reports for medicines that were marketed by Roche in USA that had not been evaluated to determine whether or not they should be reported as suspected adverse reactions to the EU authorities. About 15,161 reports of death of patients were included in these reports but the exact reason for these deaths or a probable link with the use of these medicines was not known. - See more at: http://www.biospectrumasia.com/bios...ds-big-pharma-frauds#sthash.iPqC0Dun.dpufRead more at: http://www.biospectrumasia.com/biospectrum/analysis/192973/worlds-big-pharma-frauds"


http://www.biospectrumasia.com/biospectrum/analysis/192973/worlds-big-pharma-frauds

Did I ever say pharma companies are saints? Of course not. But that doesn't mean that doctors are their slaves.

Perhaps we are imaging wars and terrorism, and greed, and adultery, and evil then?

Show me evidence that these things are caused by a lack of religion and we'll talk. Because I mentioned earlier in this post about some very secular European countries that have very little in terms of this. Very high standards of living.

On the other hand, the USA (I think you may be familiar with it), one of the most outspokenly Christian countries in the world, is rife with these things. It doesn't seem that Christianity is a very good solution to these problems!

 

[dad]

You can claim this all you want, but you're going to need to provide proof before I accept it.

Those that seek find. Seek.

Yeah, a conversation regarding the accuracy of Biblical prophecy is no place to discuss actual examples of Biblical prophecy, dang it!

Check the OP.

*sigh* If you insist.

From your 3rd link....

"
n all fairness, there are no true prophecies in the Quran and the ones that Muslims point to fail to be truly prophetic. The claim that the Quran contains dozens of prophecies is based purely on wishful thinking since none of the so called proof texts presented are convincing when taken within the context of the passage in question.



Shabir:
Let us see some examples of Qur'anic prophecies that has already been fulfilled. One example is a prophecy that occurs in Surah 30 of the Qur'an. In the first six verses Allah promised that the Romans who had just been defeated in the year 615 C.E. would turn around and win a decisive victory within nine years."

Hilarious. Anyone that thinks predicting a war 'within' 9 years is anything like biblical prophesy simply needs to get a grip and look into it.

Hindu:
http://bahai-library.com/books/hinduism/ch4.htm
http://www.alamongordo.com/hindu-prophecies/

From your first link


"Whenever there is a withering of the law and an uprising of lawlessness on all sides, then I manifest Myself. For the salvation of the righteous and the destruction of such as do evil, for the firm establishing of the Law, I come to birth, age after age"

Absurd nonsense. This simply is vague balderdash that could never be shown true. The bible prophesies of Cgrist include hundreds of precise details...virgin birth, town, death, Resurrection, rich man's tomb, ride in on donkey as king, etc etc etc etc etc etc.

Notice the half page on your link supposedly about prophesy? Besides the idiocy of the so called prophesies notice the lack of them! The bible is truly voluminous compared to that.

"Scientists use the word real to mean something that I think is wrong, so they shouldn't be allowed to use that word!"

No. You supporters of false science use that word. Most scientists (not in the cultic paleo fields) probably don't abuse it.

God cannot lie?

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

That was 2000 years or so ago, and I'm pretty sure everyone who was there has "tasted of death". Or are there 2000 year old people walking around today?

Apparently you do not understand what you read. The solution is to seek God and ask Him in to your heart and life. He can then start to illuminate you.

By the way, is the topic about how the earth started rotating and how science knows?

 

[dad]

It would honestly surprise the hell out of me if that weren't the case.

In fact, I'd prefer to live in some of those heavily secular European countries that have really high standards of living. Our politicians here are terrible.

Grass is greener on the other side of the fence.

Did I ever say pharma companies are saints? Of course not. But that doesn't mean that doctors are their slaves.

It means something is rotten in Denmark. The doctors get free stinky cheese so to speak.

Show me evidence that these things are caused by a lack of religion and we'll talk. Because I mentioned earlier in this post about some very secular European countries that have very little in terms of this. Very high standards of living.

Like where? Let's see your idea of earthly paradise?

On the other hand, the USA (I think you may be familiar with it), one of the most outspokenly Christian countries in the world, is rife with these things.

The warmongering nation you speak of is not biblical in any real way. There are many Christians there, but they are not running anything. The old dream of freedom and prosperity has turned to a nightmare of slavery and fear and death. Never a more antichrist leader in history that I am aware has ever existed.

It doesn't seem that Christianity is a very good solution to these problems!

Was it Mark Twain ( or was it CS Lewis?) that said that true Christianity is great, it is just that so few have ever tried it?

 

[Astrophile]

Nope. There is only one book that rules in prophesy, the rest are irelevant jokes in comparison as far as detailed fulfilled prophesy goes.

For what it is worth, I have found fulfilled prophecies in Shakespeare's plays and The War of the Worlds. For example, there is a prophecy of the French Revolution (1789-94) in Romeo and Juliet (1597), in which Paris married Madame la Juliettine, so enabling la Juliettine's servant Sampson to satisfy his ambition to cut off the heads of the maids. The War of the Worlds contains a prophecy of the retreat from Dunkirk in 1940, written more than 40 years before the event. Of course, these are not real prophecies, but I think that they are as good as anything in the Bible.

 

[dad]

For what it is worth, I have found fulfilled prophecies in Shakespeare's plays and The War of the Worlds. For example, there is a prophecy of the French Revolution (1789-94) in Romeo and Juliet (1597), in which Paris married Madame la Juliettine, so enabling la Juliettine's servant Sampson to satisfy his ambition to cut off the heads of the maids. The War of the Worlds contains a prophecy of the retreat from Dunkirk in 1940, written more than 40 years before the event. Of course, these are not real prophecies, but I think that they are as good as anything in the Bible.

Offering what you admit are not real prophesies, and comparing them to hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of real prophesies with real details in Scripture is evidence of ignorance and fanatical blind bias.

 

[Astrophile]

Offering what you admit are not real prophesies, and comparing them to hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of real prophesies with real details in Scripture is evidence of ignorance and fanatical blind bias.

I cited two detailed prophecies in books that anybody can read. When you were asked to give examples of detailed Biblical prophecies that have been fulfilled you ducked the question and said 'This is not the place'.

I will try again, with two Biblical prophecies this time. Do you think that Zechariah 11:17 is a prophecy of Horatio Nelson (1758-1805)? In Isaiah 7:14-25, do you think that Immanuel is Dr. Velikovsky (1895-1979), that the two countries that will be forsaken by their kings are Russia and Germany (1917-18), and that the 'king of Assyria' who is to devastate whole continents with war and to inflict unheard of horrors on the Jews (Isaiah 7:17) is Adolf Hitler, the 'ruler from Austria'? (The names Assyria and Austria probably both mean 'eastern realm'.)

If not, why not? The prophecy of Horatio Nelson in Zechariah is as detailed and specific as anything about Jesus, and the application of the prophecy in Isaiah to Immanuel Velikovsky and the two World Wars at least fits the names better than the application to Jesus. The Jesus of the New Testament was never called Immanuel, and Assyria and its kings had been dead for centuries when Jesus was born.

If you think that Zechariah 11:17 is not a prophecy of Horatio Nelson and that Isaiah 7:14-25 is not a prophecy of Immanuel Velikovsky, the overthrow of Tsar Nicholas and Kaiser Wilhelm, and the rise of the Austrian ruler Adolf Hitler, then you must admit that it is possible to fabricate unreal prophecies from Biblical passages; this inevitably casts doubts on the supposed prophecies of Jesus. If you think that these passages are real prophecies, then Isaiah 7:14-25 can hardly be a prophecy of both Jesus and Dr. Velikovsky.

As another point, do you know whether the Jews regard the supposed prophecies of Jesus as genuine prophecies of the Messiah? After all, the Jews wrote the Old Testament; they ought to understand what it means.

 

[dad]

I cited two detailed prophecies in books that anybody can read. When you were asked to give examples of detailed Biblical prophecies that have been fulfilled you ducked the question and said 'This is not the place'.

BORN IN BETHLEHEM OF A VIRGIN, betrayed for 30 pieces of silver, on a certain time prophesied centuries earlier, riding into Jerusalem as king on a donkey, pierced in the hands and feet, grew up in Egypt, lived in Nazareth, son of David, rose from the dead, and etc etc etc etc....simply not comparable to some lame attempt at elevating modern novel passages to supposed prophesy! Gong!

I will try again, with two Biblical prophecies this time. Do you think that Zechariah 11:17 is a prophecy of Horatio Nelson (1758-1805)? In Isaiah 7:14-25, do you think that Immanuel is Dr. Velikovsky (1895-1979), that the two countries that will be forsaken by their kings are Russia and Germany (1917-18), and that the 'king of Assyria' who is to devastate whole continents with war and to inflict unheard of horrors on the Jews (Isaiah 7:17) is Adolf Hitler, the 'ruler from Austria'? (The names Assyria and Austria probably both mean 'eastern realm'.)

Was Horatio born of a virgin?

If not, why not? The prophecy of Horatio Nelson in Zechariah is as detailed and specific as anything about Jesus,

Absurd nonsense.

If you think that Zechariah 11:17 is not a prophecy of Horatio Nelson and that Isaiah 7:14-25 is not a prophecy of Immanuel Velikovsky, the overthrow of Tsar Nicholas and Kaiser Wilhelm, and the rise of the Austrian ruler Adolf Hitler, then you must admit that it is possible to fabricate unreal prophecies from Biblical passages;

Not at all, I admit you seem to be a total stranger to the facts of history and actual prophesy.

As another point, do you know whether the Jews regard the supposed prophecies of Jesus as genuine prophecies of the Messiah? After all, the Jews wrote the Old Testament; they ought to understand what it means.

Many did. There is a reason God called out another chosen people and that is because His first people rejected and murdered Him.

 

[TLK Valentine]

BORN IN BETHLEHEM OF A VIRGIN, betrayed for 30 pieces of silver, on a certain time prophesied centuries earlier, riding into Jerusalem as king on a donkey, pierced in the hands and feet, grew up in Egypt, lived in Nazareth, son of David, rose from the dead, and etc etc etc etc....simply not comparable to some lame attempt at elevating modern novel passages to supposed prophesy! Gong!

You were there when it all happened? Ah, no you weren't.

Neither were the people who wrote about Jesus... but they had all those prophecies in front of them.

 

[dad]

You were there when it all happened? Ah, no you weren't.

Were you there when the major calendar of the world was set? Were you there when Czar Nicklaus was killed? One does not have to have been alive to know key events in history happened.

Neither were the people who wrote about Jesus... but they had all those prophecies in front of them.

Indeed. The prophesies proved that Jesus was the One spoken about in hundreds of exact ways. Better than a fingerprint. We are not talking about some supposed lover of Napoleon here, but witnessed facts that were recorded with utmost care.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Were you there when the major calendar of the world was set? Were you there when Czar Nicklaus was killed? One does not have to have been alive to know key events in history happened.

Were you there when Christopher Columbus proved the world was round? Were you there when George Washington threw a silver dollar across the Potomac? Were you there when Betsy Ross designed the American flag?

You don't have to be alive to know key events didn't happen.

Indeed. The prophesies proved that Jesus was the One spoken about in hundreds of exact ways.

Regardless of whether or not they actually happened...

 

[dad]

Were you there when Christopher Columbus proved the world was round? Were you there when George Washington threw a silver dollar across the Potomac? Were you there when Betsy Ross designed the American flag?

You don't have to be alive to know key events didn't happen.

Rather than tell us what you claim happened in the past, stick to recorded history or fact.

Mindless doubts and empty posts just do not cut it.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Rather than tell us what you claim happened in the past, stick to recorded history or fact.

Mindless doubts and empty posts just do not cut it.

You first, daddy-o. talk about "reported" events that actually happened for a change.

 

[dad]

You first, daddy-o. talk about "reported" events that actually happened for a change.

The record God gave is clear and solid. Learn the difference between recorded history and 'reported' events.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The record God gave is clear and solid. Learn the difference between recorded history and 'reported' events.

God didn't give you that "record." The people who wrote it claimed He did. Learn the difference between claims and fact.

 

[dad]

God didn't give you that "record." The people who wrote it claimed He did. Learn the difference between claims and fact.

If God's Spirit was in them how would you know? The proof is in the pudding.

 

[TLK Valentine]

If God's Spirit was in them how would you know?

How would you?

The proof is in the pudding.

There's no pudding in the book.

 

[dad]

How would you?



There's no pudding in the book.

Yes, the fulfilled prophesy pudding. Now, you ask how would we know if the Spirit of God was in a man long ago? You wouldn't. So don't claim He wasn't.