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Is YAHWEH andALLAH the same person?
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Jordan Kurecki
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The Allah, of the Koran, is not the same as the Jehovah of the Old and New Testaments.
They have different characterstics.
For example, in the Koran it says Allah has no sons, the bible teaches that Jesus Christ is the son of Jehovah.
They have different characterstics.
For example, in the Koran it says Allah has no sons, the bible teaches that Jesus Christ is the son of Jehovah.
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Berean777
Servant of Christ Jesus. Stellar Son.
Claiming to worship the true God is one thing and actually worshipping the true God is a totally different matter.
I gave people examples from scripture above, from the mouth of Jesus. There are many falsehoods and Islam is one of many false religions of the world who claim to worship the true God of the Bible.
Jesus says that only through him will one know the Father and that being by the anointing of the Spirit of truth, for those in Christ who have been sprinkled by his blood.
Now if Jesus said this, then will you not believe what he said?
Is Jesus not the final authority for you in this matter?
Hmmmmmm........ makes me wonder at times.
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Berean777
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Aside from that, God is Spirit (John 4:24) and those who are not sprinkled by the blood of the lamb of God have no communion with the Spirit of God (truth). How could one outside of the Holy temple and the dwelling place of the Holy Ghost worship the true God. Simply put they decieve themselves and their Islamic elders lie when they preach to be speaking as knowing who God is.
They have no communion with our God and therefore they have no communion with us Christians.
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Yaweh is Three Persons.
According to Islamic testimony from the very beginning of the Islamic age, Allah is not three persons.
Simple math notes that the numbers simply do not add up, when the question is about the personhood of God.
According to Islamic testimony from the very beginning of the Islamic age, Allah is not three persons.
Simple math notes that the numbers simply do not add up, when the question is about the personhood of God.
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Berean777
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Anything that offends the Father will be cut off and those who feed our true and Holy faith to the swine of the world will not be tolerated by him.
Do not as the Lord says throw your pearls before the pigs of the world who have no sprinkling of blood. All Christians have an obligation to preach the gospel to convert them to Christ and if they reject you, then you are to have no communion with them and let your preaching that they rejected be a curse upon them as scripture declares.
Do not as the Lord says throw your pearls before the pigs of the world who have no sprinkling of blood. All Christians have an obligation to preach the gospel to convert them to Christ and if they reject you, then you are to have no communion with them and let your preaching that they rejected be a curse upon them as scripture declares.
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Berean777
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That doesn't stop non believers from hearing the gospel of Jesus Christ and believing in Jesus and accepting the sprinkling of his blood for their redemption. Any other argument is an excuse that has waxed and wayned old and these arguments are now mute.
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Neochristian
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God appears to differ from Old to New Testament too. Paul also claims that nobody loves God (is a child of God). It sounds like the Koran is as harsh as Romans, or that the communities were equally unsavory.
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Berean777
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Another mute point.
Our failure to understand the context of the culture 3000 to 5000 years ago doesn't give us reason to question their ways.
Context of culture within the context of time is from heaven to earth apart in retrospec and I can't understand how people are repeatedly drawing mute points.
Our failure to understand the context of the culture 3000 to 5000 years ago doesn't give us reason to question their ways.
Context of culture within the context of time is from heaven to earth apart in retrospec and I can't understand how people are repeatedly drawing mute points.
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Neochristian
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Yes, those are two different things: appearance and actuality. I'm sorry, I have not read the quotes you provided. Jesus says we shall know a tree by its fruit. I have heard the Koran says that killing one innocent person is the same as killing all of humanity. Those are the words of a godly tree. Yes, only by becoming fully taught, and therefore like our Teacher, do we come to know the Father. I saw a group of Muslims circled around a group of praying Christians in order to protect them with their lives. "Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends." Those who love know God and God is in them. These Muslims are saved and are the adopted children of the Most High. They came to the Father, not through the earthly church, but by the Spirit of Christ that is clearly in them.
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Berean777
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A bride is intimate with her husband and knows all about him. Christians are through the sprinkling of blood made as one in Spirit as Christ's spiritual bride and their communion is with the Spirit of God.
Muslims who have no sprinkling of blood of the lamb of God have no communion with the Spirit of Christ. You err on this point. Secondly to be adopted into the family of God and his Christ one must have a personal relationship with Jesus and have entered through the sprinkling of blood for their redemption. Those who are not connected by blood are not the family of God until they too come and freely recieve the sprinkling of blood and be adopted as a new creation into Christ.
God is and dwells in his temple that he built up on the foundation cornerstone Jesus Christ. The Spirit of truth resides in believers grounded in Christ and those outside of the living vine are not the dwelling place of the Spirit of God. You err when you say that God dwells in Muslims.
The point of the thread is that a different false God is worshipped by the Muslims.
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Berean777
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Well it is the will of the Father to make the world prisoners of his Christ, as it is written the Lord said onto my Lord sit on my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool.
It is not the question of whether it will happen, because it has been happening for the word of God is dynamic, alive and in motion. The last 2000 years many Muslims have come to Christ and submitted to the authority of the Son. This is what it is all about.
I am a prisoner of Christ and in that respect Christ has conquered me through and through and I have fully yielded to his will in me.
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AHH who-stole-my-name
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I'm sorry, but I just took a second look at the title of the this thread and I really can't agree with either of these entities being called a person. God is God.
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Neochristian
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Berean777, my lost child, I'm afraid I see little of God in your understanding.
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They are the same but that is only because there is only One God, creator of all things. Muslims, Jews, and Christians all claim to worship the One God, creator of all things, therefore they worship the same Deity. However, they disagree about the qualities of that Deity.
Its like Democrats and Republicans talking about Obama, the president of the United States. In some ultimate sense they are talking about the same person but in detail they are not talking about the same person.
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Neochristian
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Well done! Excellent analogy! I wonder who the Independents are analogous to.
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