Is YAHWEH andALLAH the same person?

[Berean777]

Berean777, my lost child, I'm afraid I see little of God in your understanding.

I am bound by the great commission to preach Christ and let us just say your understanding of god and my understanding of God is different.

 

[Berean777]

They are the same but that is only because there is only One God, creator of all things. Muslims, Jews, and Christians all claim to worship the One God, creator of all things, therefore they worship the same Deity. However, they disagree about the qualities of that Deity.

Its like Democrats and Republicans talking about Obama, the president of the United States. In some ultimate sense they are talking about the same person but in detail they are not talking about the same person.

Knowing the true God is not a question of politics.

 

[Neochristian]

Yes, B. We differ. Are you open to making yourself foolish in your own eyes that you may become wise later?

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

Yes, those are two different things: appearance and actuality. I'm sorry, I have not read the quotes you provided. Jesus says we shall know a tree by its fruit. I have heard the Koran says that killing one innocent person is the same as killing all of humanity. Those are the words of a godly tree. Yes, only by becoming fully taught, and therefore like our Teacher, do we come to know the Father. I saw a group of Muslims circled around a group of praying Christians in order to protect them with their lives. "Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends." Those who love know God and God is in them. These Muslims are saved and are the adopted children of the Most High. They came to the Father, not through the earthly church, but by the Spirit of Christ that is clearly in them.

"He that denieth the son, the same denieth the father"

The greatest fruit one can produce is the acceptance and worship of Jesus Christ the Son of God.
It is the most wicked of all fruits to deny the Person of the Son of God.

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrineofChrist, hathnot God. He that abideth in the doctrineofChrist, he hathboth the Father and the Son.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

 

[Neochristian]

"He that denieth the son, the same denieth the father"

The greatest fruit one can produce is the acceptance and worship of Jesus Christ the Son of God.
It is the most wicked of all fruits to deny the Person of the Son of God.

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrineofChrist, hathnot God. He that abideth in the doctrineofChrist, he hathboth the Father and the Son.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Oh, child! Do you not see who you are describing? [emoji26]

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

God appears to differ from Old to New Testament too. Paul also claims that nobody loves God (is a child of God). It sounds like the Koran is as harsh as Romans, or that the communities were equally unsavory.

The God of the old testament and the God of the new testament are the same. they only appear different to those who do not know the scriptures.

Anyone can see the grace of God in the Old Testament, see God's dealing with cain, and with allowing hundred of years of Noah's preaching before destroying the world with a flood. then see God's grace in the N.T. on the cross, as well as the coming judgments of hell and the great tribulation.

The Old Testament and the New Testament God are not a bit different, because they both depict the dealings of Jehovah God with humanity at different stages and progressions of his divine plan.

 

[Berean777]

Those without Christ who say we know God are deceived at best and at worst they do lie indeed.

There are many false religions but only one true religion that leads to the true God and without the sprinkling of blood there is no communion with God at all.

John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life. Whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him."

Leaders who say that all faiths are worshipping the same God are fighting against God through the ways and wicked thoughts of the world. They have unwittingly maligned themselves against God in trying to appease man.

The LIE that is perpetrated by this generation is the lie mentioned in

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
And all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness

 

[Neochristian]

The God of the old testament and the God of the new testament are the same. they only appear different to those who do not know the scriptures.

Anyone can see the grace of God in the Old Testament, see God's dealing with cain, and with allowing hundred of years of Noah's preaching before destroying the world with a flood. then see God's grace in the N.T. on the cross, as well as the coming judgments of hell and the great tribulation.

The Old Testament and the New Testament God are not a bit different, because they both depict the dealings of Jehovah God with humanity at different stages and progressions of his divine plan.

Agreed.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

Oh, child! Do you not see who you are describing? [emoji26]

I fail to see your point.

Do you not heed the divine words of almighty God?
For you to claim Muslims as children of God is proclaimed false by the words of God.

Muslims do not believe in Jesus described in the bible.
They believe in a false Jesus that did not rise from the dead:

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

We are told in 1 Cor 15 that the Gospel is that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again.

Since Muslims deny that Christ died for our sins, they are accursed for believing and preaching a false gospel, ironically that came from an "angel"

 

[Neochristian]

Those without Christ who say we know God are deceived at best and at worst they do lie indeed.

There are many false religions but only one true religion thay leads to the true God and without the sprinkling of blood there is no communion with God at all.

All of that is true, I'm afraid. I urge you to read Romans 16:17-18. I do not know if or how to send private messages, or I would have brought this to your attention that way. I ask in the name of the Righteous One that nobody except B read that passage at this time.

 

[Neochristian]

I fail to see your point.

Do you not heed the divine words of almighty God?
For you to claim Muslims as children of God is proclaimed false by the words of God.

Muslims do not believe in Jesus described in the bible.
They believe in a false Jesus that did not rise from the dead:

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

We are told in 1 Cor 15 that the Gospel is that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again.

Since Muslims deny that Christ died for our sins, they are accursed for believing and preaching a false gospel, ironically that came from an "angel"

Yes. I wish you wouldn't quote these passages at this time so ruthlessly. I can now see they are true, though clearly not of the Muslims I have described, because the passages I have quoted describe them.

 

[SolomonVII]

I was under the impression that YHWH is the Father, not the trinity.

I was always of the impression that God is One.

 

[Neochristian]

I was always of the impression that God is One.

One God, three Persons. YHWH or Allah is the Person Father.

 

[Jahrooshshalom]

I hear many people say when Muslims refer to ALLAH they are worshiping the same God Christians worship YAHWEH and others say Islam is worships ALLAH as a moon God and is NOT the same God Christians worship.

So is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob YHWH/YAH/YAHWEH... etc, the same God ALLAH that Islam claims to worship??

Allah, a generic arabic term for god, is not the same god as that of the Christians and Jews. Scriptures in the OT prove this when Moses was told God's name forever is YHWH.
In Muhammad's time there were 360 idols that surrounded the Kabah and all were referred to as allah, 'god'.

 

[SolomonVII]

One God, three Persons. YHWH or Allah is the Person Father.

There is Biblical evidence that suggests otherwise.
http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/jesus-christ-is-yahweh

 

[Neochristian]

Allah, a generic arabic term for god, is not the same god as that of the Christians and Jews. Scriptures in the OT prove this when Moses was told God's name forever is YHWH.
In Muhammad's time there were 360 idols that surrounded the Kabah and all were referred to as allah, 'god'.

What? That's like saying the Spanish worship a different God because they say, "Dios." I'd recommend extensive research into that other thing before judging it too quickly.

 

[Neochristian]

There is Biblical evidence that suggests otherwise.
http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/jesus-christ-is-yahweh

Eh, that's weak.

 

[Jahrooshshalom]

What? That's like saying the Spanish worship a different God because they say, "Dios." I'd recommend extensive research into that other thing before judging it too quickly.

Yes, and I'd recommend you start immediately.
Allah is the only name given in the Koran. A generic, "god", term. Whereas YAHWH is the name of the God of Abraham and Allah is not.
If Allah is the god of Christians and Jews then Christians and Jews should have no issue with embracing Islam.

 

[Neochristian]

Yes, and I'd recommend you start immediately.
Allah is the only name given in the Koran. A generic, "god", term. Whereas YAHWH is the name of the God of Abraham and Allah is not.
If Allah is the god of Christians and Jews then Christians and Jews should have no issue with embracing Islam.

Surely you wouldn't say "Dios" is a different God.

What you say about having no issue is correct. The Pope had no trouble embracing Islam.

http://nationalreport.net/pope-francis-followers-koran-holy-bible/

 

[Jahrooshshalom]

Surely you wouldn't say "Dios" is a different God.

What you say about having no issue is correct. The Pope had no trouble embracing Islam.

http://nationalreport.net/pope-francis-followers-koran-holy-bible/

What has the pope to do with this? He doesn't speak for all Christians. He speaks for Roman Catholics.

And he's wrong.
The 10 commandments that preceded the rest of the laws of God include the command, thou shalt not murder.

Allah's decree in the Koran is distinctly the opposite of that in Sura 9:5 and Sura 2:190-191. By the way, infidels are non-Muslims.

2.190. Fight against those who fight against you in the way of Allah, but do not transgress, for Allah does not love transgressors.


2.191. Kill them whenever you confront them and drive them out from where they drove you out. (For though killing is sinful) wrongful persecution is even worse than killing. Do not fight against them near the Holy Mosque unless they fight against you; but if they fight against you kill them, for that is the reward of such unbelievers.

Did Yahweh give life to daughters? The way he did his son Yeshua/Jesus?