Is YAHWEH andALLAH the same person?

[Neochristian]

The Pope is a Christian, who, like many others, had no trouble embracing Islam.

Fight against those who fight against you in the way of righteousness and justice.

It is a call to defend righteousness and justice, not to murder, because murder is a sin.

 

[Jahrooshshalom]

The Pope is a Christian, who, like many others, had no trouble embracing Islam.

Fight against those who fight against you in the way of righteousness and justice.

It is a call to defend righteousness and justice, not to murder, because murder is a sin.

As stated, the pope speaks for Roman Catholics.

Muhammad was born in 570 A.D. In 610 A.D. Muhammad claimed to be visited by the archangel Gabriel while muhammad was residing in a cave near Medina and it was Gabriel who recited to that illiterate Arab the first revelations for what would become the Koran. As well as informed that allah had chosen muhammad to be his prophet.

Get the timeline in relative comparison to the Jewish and Christian?

 

[Laureate]

I hear many people say when Muslims refer to ALLAH they are worshiping the same God Christians worship YAHWEH and others say Islam is worships ALLAH as a moon God and is NOT the same God Christians worship.

So is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob YHWH/YAH/YAHWEH... etc, the same God ALLAH that Islam claims to worship??

The biblical Hebrew word אלה (a'lah, a'loh) is one of five forms of Elohym [lit. Sovereign Author(-ority)]:

Just like [אל אלוה אלהי אלהים] the other four forms אלה (a'lah, a'llah) is translated from the native text, and rendered 'God' in all of the (Germanic) English bibles:

The father of the Muslim people is Ishmael, whose father is Avraham, and both Avraham, and his son Ishmael were both circumcized on the same day;

Though I have never read the Quran, I have been told that the first five books of Moshé (Moses) are comprable to the first five books of the Quran;

This would indicate that there is at least an attempt of both Christians and Muslims to worship the One and Only Sovereign Author of heaven and earth;

Many Christians, (like Muslims) treat the official biblical title 'Elohym' as a name, which is not consistent with the contextual use of the title in the native text;

In fact, no prophet in the entire bible ever referred to Elohym as 'God' (gawd) but the Babylonians did according to Joshua 11:17 they worshiped Elohym as גד (gawd), and likewise, so did the pagan German tribes;

In fact it was not until the Germanic tribes were somewhat converted to Christianity, that any Christian ever referred to Elohym as 'God';

Of course the Sovereign Author of heaven and earth strictly forbade this, but His children are stiffnecked, and have a tendency to do as they please, nothing new there;

When the children of Israel, forsook Ea'huah [lit. Existence], and subcombed to worshiping Baal [lit. the Lord] Elohym said (in Hosea) that they were not aware that it was still Him whom they were (inappropriately) worshiping;

Ea'huah has declared, that He is Ea'huah (existence), and there is nothing, nor any one else beside Him, neither is there any other Elohym (Sovereign Author of heaven and earth;

To suggest that there is another Deity is a lie, and a biblical crime (sin);

Conceptual wise, our individual take on Elohym is diverse within Christianity, this too is also a crime in the eyes of the Apostles;

To assume all Muslims think, and believe alike would be as ignorant as a Muslim assuming every Christian thinks, and believes alike, when we clearly do not;

Yet, how does one presume to vote what the truth is? Is the Truth a popularity contest, or is it something we receive from heaven, and surrender our consciousness to believe with out a doubt?

 

[Jahrooshshalom]

When the children of Israel, forsook Ea'huah [lit. Existence], and subcombed to worshiping Baal [lit. the Lord] Elohym said (in Hosea) that they were not aware that it was still Him whom they were (inappropriately) worshiping;

Post the scripture please that states exactly that.

 

[Neochristian]

As stated, the pope speaks for Roman Catholics.

Muhammad was born in 570 A.D. In 610 A.D. Muhammad claimed to be visited by the archangel Gabriel while muhammad was residing in a cave near Medina and it was Gabriel who recited to that illiterate Arab the first revelations for what would become the Koran. As well as informed that allah had chosen muhammad to be his prophet.

Get the timeline in relative comparison to the Jewish and Christian?

You are missing the point to win the argument. That is unbecoming of a Christian.

 

[Jahrooshshalom]

You are missing the point to win the argument. That is unbecoming of a Christian.

Ah, now you're resorting to personal attacks because you refuse to be proven wrong. We're done here.

 

[Neochristian]

The biblical Hebrew word אלה (a'lah, a'loh) is one of five forms of Elohym [lit. Sovereign Author(-ority)]:

Just like [אל אלוה אלהי אלהים] the other four forms אלה (a'lah, a'llah) is translated from the native text, and rendered 'God' in all of the (Germanic) English bibles:

The father of the Muslim people is Ishmael, whose father is Avraham, and both Avraham, and his son Ishmael were both circumcized on the same day;

Though I have never read the Quran, I have been told that the first five books of Moshé (Moses) are comprable to the first five books of the Quran;

This would indicate that there is at least an attempt of both Christians and Muslims to worship the One and Only Sovereign Author of heaven and earth;

Many Christians, (like Muslims) treat the official biblical title 'Elohym' as a name, which is not consistent with the contextual use of the title in the native text;

In fact, no prophet in the entire bible ever referred to Elohym as 'God' (gawd) but the Babylonians did according to Joshua 11:17 they worshiped Elohym as גד (gawd), and likewise, so did the pagan German tribe;

In fact it was not until the Germanic tribes were somewhat converted to Christianity, that any Christian ever referred to Elohym as 'God';

Of course the Sovereign Author of heaven and earth strictly forbade this, but His children are stiffnecked, and have a tendency to do as they please, nothing new there;

When the children of Israel, forsook Ea'huah [lit. Existence], and subcombed to worshiping Baal [lit. the Lord] Elohym said (in Hosea) that they were not aware that it was still Him whom they were (inappropriately) worshiping;

Ea'huah has declared, that He is Ea'huah (existence), and there is nothing, nor any one else beside Him, neither is there any other Elohym (Sovereign Author of heaven and earth;

To suggest that there is another Deity is a lie, and a biblical crime (sin);

Conceptual wise, our individual take on Elohym is diverse within Christianity, this too is also a crime in the eyes of the Apostles;

To assume all Muslims think, and believe alike would be as ignorant as a Muslim assuming every Christian thinks, and believes alike, when we clearly do not;

Yet, how does one presume to vote what the truth is? Is the Truth a popularity contest, or is it something we receive from heaven, and surrender our consciousness to believe with out a doubt?

I believe the Islamic community would claim Abraham as their father.

 

[Jahrooshshalom]

I hear many people say when Muslims refer to ALLAH they are worshiping the same God Christians worship YAHWEH and others say Islam is worships ALLAH as a moon God and is NOT the same God Christians worship.

So is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob YHWH/YAH/YAHWEH... etc, the same God ALLAH that Islam claims to worship??

It should be noted that just because the arabic word for god is Allah, this does not mean that the god of islam is the god of the Jews or Christians. It's no more reality than saying because car is a word for drivable vehicle that all cars are Mercedes.

 

[Neochristian]

Ah, now you're resorting to personal attacks because you refuse to be proven wrong. We're done here.

You suggested that Christians would not embrace Islam, and then when I provided proof that many had, you intentionally tried to change the subject from the fact that the Pope is a Christian to whether the Pope speaks for all Christians, and failed to acknowledge the truth, that the Pope in indeed a Christian.

Christians don't run away from the truth. We run to the Truth.

 

[Neochristian]

It should be noted that just because the arabic word for god is Allah, this does not mean that the god of islam is the god of the Jews or Christians. It's no more reality than saying because car is a word for drivable vehicle that all cars are Mercedes.

Clearly. It just means you can't deny it based on the fact that they use a different word.

 

[Jahrooshshalom]

I believe the Islamic community would claim Abraham as their father.

They'd be wrong to do so. Muhammad traced his lineage back to Ishmael, the son of Abraham's slave Hagar, and Ishmael's first born son Nabaioth.

A different word? That's the differences? Yes, we're certainly done here.

 

[Neochristian]

Ishmael's father was Abraham.

 

[Neochristian]

They'd be wrong to do so. Muhammad traced his lineage back to Ishmael, the son of Abraham's slave Hagar, and Ishmael's first born son Nabaioth.

A different word? That's the differences? Yes, we're certainly done here.

Ishmael's father was Abraham.

 

[Laureate]

"And I will not have mercy upon her children; for they are the children of whoredoms.

For their mother has played the harlot: she that conceived them has done shamefully: for she said, I will go after my lovers, that give me my bread and my water, my wool and my flax, mine oil and my drink.

Therefore, behold, I will hedge up your way with thorns, and make a wall, that she shall not find her paths.

And she shall follow after her lovers, but she shall not overtake them; and she shall seek them, but shall not find them: then shall she say, I will go and return to my first husband; for then was it better with me than now.

For she did not know that I gave her corn, and wine, and oil, and multiplied her silver and gold, which they prepared for Baal.

Therefore will I return, and take away my corn in the time thereof, and my wine in the season thereof, and will recover my wool and my flax given to cover her nakedness." Hosea 2:4-9]

Post the scripture please that states exactly that.

Though it does not state exactly that, it does indicate exactly that;

 

[Laureate]

They'd be wrong to do so. Muhammad traced his lineage back to Ishmael, the son of Abraham's slave Hagar, and Ishmael's first born son Nabaioth.

A different word? That's the differences? Yes, we're certainly done here.

You acknowledge that Avraham sired Ishmael, yet say they would be wrong to call him father, perhaps you mean unworthy, yet anyone who hates their brother is unworthy to refer to Elohym as Father, but that would not make their claim false.

 

[Jahrooshshalom]

"And I will not have mercy upon her children; for they are the children of whoredoms.

For their mother has played the harlot: she that conceived them has done shamefully: for she said, I will go after my lovers, that give me my bread and my water, my wool and my flax, mine oil and my drink.

Therefore, behold, I will hedge up your way with thorns, and make a wall, that she shall not find her paths.

And she shall follow after her lovers, but she shall not overtake them; and she shall seek them, but shall not find them: then shall she say, I will go and return to my first husband; for then was it better with me than now.

For she did not know that I gave her corn, and wine, and oil, and multiplied her silver and gold, which they prepared for Baal.

Therefore will I return, and take away my corn in the time thereof, and my wine in the season thereof, and will recover my wool and my flax given to cover her nakedness." Hosea 2:4-9]

Really? Well then, if Baal was actually Yahweh, which is blasphemy by the way, then the scriptures wouldn't contain a reference to 8747 false gods that include Baal. Being Baal would be Yahweh the scriptures, God's breath, would not call Yahweh as Baal false. Baal, a Canaanite and Phoenician god of fertility and rainJudges 2:10-13 Baal, meaning “lord”, was pictured standing on a bull, a popular symbol of fertility and strength. Baal was associated with Asherah and Ashtoreth, goddesses of fertility.

Nor would God destroy those who worshiped him by that other name, Baal. Deuteronomy 4:3.

Nor would the worshipers of Baal-Peor have incurred the wrath of God for eating sacrifices of the dead as described in Psalm 106, if what they were doing was done in worship of Yahweh aka Baal-Peor.

Though it does not state exactly that, it does indicate exactly that;

No, it does not. It cannot.

There's a false teaching that's circulating about now with regard to allah being the same god as that of the Christians and Jews. Being that Arabs pre Islam used the arabic word allah to rightly identify god, that does not mean the god of the Koran is the same God as of the Bible.
This false teaching goes something like this. Allah, which is a generic term , Arabic for "god", which is true, is the same God as in Judaism and Christianity. The differences between the camps of faithful is the beliefs that follow the god.
It's almost like unto a joke at first but it stops being funny when one realizes such false teachers are very serious. And this is why it isn't funny.
All faith arrives from trust and belief in the doctrine one is exposed to and that resonates as truth for that individual.
In the time-line of faiths in this particular concern, Judaism came first, Christianity followed as the fulfillment of the law and the prophecies in Judaism as pertained to Messiah, and then came Islam.
Belief is arrived at through the reading of the scriptures, the teachings, that pertain to a particular religion.
When the Bible is said to be God breathed and is composed of scriptures from the Pentateuch and the New Testament, the new covenant that is born from the old, and the Koran contradicts what God breathed to life in the scriptures pertaining to Judaism and Christianity, then the god of the Koran cannot be the God of Judaism and Christianity.
Because the god of islam says in his 'breathed' text that he did not beget a son. The Koran that the muslims god dictated to a thief, a murderer, a pedophile, and a rapist, Muhammad, denies the crucifixion, denies the resurrection, denies Yeshua, called Isa in the Koran, was his son who redeemed the world from sin. The god of the Koran states that all human life originated not from Adam and Eve but from a blood clot.

This is why the absurd argument that false teachers promote, and they do have success when they are speaking to people who've never read the Torah, the Talmud, The Bible or the Koran, is so glaringly obviously a lie!
Because if the god of islam is that same god of the Jews and the Christians, he not only lied in 7 A.D. when dictating through Gabriel to that illiterate immoral merchant Muhammad, but he renounced everything he preordained to happen in matters of Hebrew prophecy and Christ fulfillment. And this means that no Christian is truly saved! Because the Koran, being that is the same god as breathed the Bible to life, denies everything Christians know Christ to be.

 

[SolomonVII]

Eh, that's weak.

As weak as you think it may be, the counter-argument against you refuted it with is even weaker.

 

[Jahrooshshalom]

what?

 

[Jahrooshshalom]

You acknowledge that Avraham sired Ishmael, yet say they would be wrong to call him father, perhaps you mean unworthy, yet anyone who hates their brother is unworthy to refer to Elohym as Father, but that would not make their claim false.

Ishmael was conceived through lust of the flesh. Isaac was conceived through authority of the spirit.

 

[Jahrooshshalom]

You suggested that Christians would not embrace Islam, and then when I provided proof that many had, you intentionally tried to change the subject from the fact that the Pope is a Christian to whether the Pope speaks for all Christians, and failed to acknowledge the truth, that the Pope in indeed a Christian.

Christians don't run away from the truth. We run to the Truth.

No Christian embraces Islam.
And it is a fact that the pope does not speak for any but the RCC. If you don't know that you should stop now. And I never said the pope was not a Christian so please don't lie on top of everything else.