The argument is what defines sexual immorality? The Law of God does, it explains what is sin.So is your argument sexual immorality does not include bestiality?
The same law Christians are told over and over again is Done Away With.
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The argument is what defines sexual immorality? The Law of God does, it explains what is sin.So is your argument sexual immorality does not include bestiality?
Not at all. I already quoted you a verse telling you what law we are not to follow and that is "the law of sin and death". You wanting to make that law 'the law of Moses' is simply your problem to work out IMO. I never had to read the whole OT to figure out what was sin. I received a holy spirit to help in that regard. And He convicted me of sin... and sins, long before I read a verse confirming what the holy spirit convicted me of.s
so pretty much you are saying that our individual conscience influenced by the holy spirt will convict us what is sin?
so when John says "sin is the transgression of the law" that means nothing because there is no law right?
What is sin for someone in Canada may not be a sin in Africa and vice versa. When missionaries went to Africa and found them all naked they made them put clothes on because they were sinning. If you believe they were right, then you are just as legalistic as they were IMO. Where is the verse that tells you those missionaries were right?someone raised in the jungles of Africa will have the same understanding what is sin as someone raised in Canada ?
One does not have to be 'OF the faith' to still be 'IN the faith'. Becoming 'a Christian' to be 'IN the Christian faith' only takes a 'new birth'. While becoming 'Christian/Christ like' takes a long time in the walk 'OF the faith'. And I knew what sin was because I had His convicting spirit in me. If you can't relate to that, then I can see why 'the law book' seems so important to you.Because you cannot be a Christian and go on sinning. but in order to stop one must first know what sin is. and that is revealed to us by God's Law.
Can someone give me a clear answer on this question : Christians says that the Law ( ten commandments and law of moses is done away with, nailed to the cross) is it OK to participate in beastiality? this was forbidden in the law of Moses but since that is nailed to the cross that means it's Ok right? if NO than please tell me why not and according to what law?
Short answer, oh heck no.
The problem with modern christianity and organized religion in general is that there are many denominations and popularly held beliefs that are really no more than false doctrine from the devil himself. The law that God created has no beginning or ending, it has always been so and will always be in effect. Jesus did not get rid of his own laws. He did however show that the oral traditions that the religious leaders who were in charge of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem were not correct and that only the law of God given to Moses was what was to be followed.
Its like if Jesus came down to earth right now and started exposing all the false doctrine that is out there right now and went against our current religious traditions, would people be happy with him or mad at him? If the old laws were done away with why would he do that? What if it was just some stranger that did that? If some stranger walked into a trunk or treat celebration or santa celebration at a church and started flipping tables would people see him as holy or as evil? What if he exposed false faith healers or people who speak in gibberish tongues. What if he rallied against people who only hold Sunday as the sabbath day? Christians today are the same as the Jews of the old testament. We are following oral traditions instead of the Word. Don't be fooled by thinking that some of Gods laws are nullified. They are not. Jesus did not come to get rid of the laws of God, he came to show how they can be fulfilled. Any act that God saw as detestable or evil or as an abomination will always remain as such. End of story.
Can someone give me a clear answer on this question : Christians says that the Law ( ten commandments and law of moses is done away with, nailed to the cross) is it OK to participate in beastiality? this was forbidden in the law of Moses but since that is nailed to the cross that means it's Ok right? if NO than please tell me why not and according to what law?
No it is not OK...according to the 'law of sin and death'.
ROM 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
So if you follow the spirit of life you don't become a victim of sin and death.
what is the law of sin and death ? What where can I read about what it says is sin? How can someone know what is sin?
Yes but love your neighbor does not imply his livestock.christians use what jesus said about the commandmemts to "proove" he done away with the 10 commandments. now we simply have to "love God and love neighbour" well how do we know if we love God, how do we know if we love neighbour? How do we know what sin is ? like I said if it's now just what we "think" Than it is Ok for some one to do one thing and not Ok for anothe, because to someone one thing is sin but not to another. beastiality was not Ok according to christianity in the old testament because it was a law. but now christianity says all of those laws have been "done away with" the question isn't whether it is sick or unacceptable because that's just your opinion. unless you can proove it with scripture, it's just your opinion. and according to most christians since there is no law there is no sin.
Again spot on.If you must read then you would be led by your head. Jesus' recommendation is for you to be led by the Spirit in this world. And the Spirit has convinced/convicted me of sins that aren't in the book.
JOH 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will convince/convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment:
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so pretty much you are saying that our individual conscience influenced by the holy spirt will convict us what is sin?
so when John says "sin is the transgression of the law" that means nothing because there is no law right?
someone raised in the jungles of Africa will have the same understanding what is sin as someone raised in Canada ?
when culture and society brainwashed people to believe that what is sin is not sin and when they believe it with their heart it is not sin? whether christians like it or not the laws of God stand as a witness against them. Because you cannot be a Christian and go on sinning. but in order to stop one must first know what sin is. and that is revealed to us by God's Law.
That is Truth.Short answer, oh heck no.
The problem with modern christianity and organized religion in general is that there are many denominations and popularly held beliefs that are really no more than false doctrine from the devil himself. The law that God created has no beginning or ending, it has always been so and will always be in effect. Jesus did not get rid of his own laws. He did however show that the oral traditions that the religious leaders who were in charge of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem were not correct and that only the law of God given to Moses was what was to be followed.
Its like if Jesus came down to earth right now and started exposing all the false doctrine that is out there right now and went against our current religious traditions, would people be happy with him or mad at him? If the old laws were done away with why would he do that? What if it was just some stranger that did that? If some stranger walked into a trunk or treat celebration or santa celebration at a church and started flipping tables would people see him as holy or as evil? What if he exposed false faith healers or people who speak in gibberish tongues. What if he rallied against people who only hold Sunday as the sabbath day? Christians today are the same as the Jews of the old testament. We are following oral traditions instead of the Word. Don't be fooled by thinking that some of Gods laws are nullified. They are not. Jesus did not come to get rid of the laws of God, he came to show how they can be fulfilled. Any act that God saw as detestable or evil or as an abomination will always remain as such. End of story.
Exodus 22:19 under Ordinances for the People" Whoever lies with an animal will surely be put to death."Can someone give me a clear answer on this question : Christians says that the Law ( ten commandments and law of moses is done away with, nailed to the cross) is it OK to participate in beastiality? this was forbidden in the law of Moses but since that is nailed to the cross that means it's Ok right? if NO than please tell me why not and according to what law?
Not at all. I already quoted you a verse telling you what law we are not to follow and that is "the law of sin and death". You wanting to make that law 'the law of Moses' is simply your problem to work out IMO. I never had to read the whole OT to figure out what was sin. I received a holy spirit to help in that regard. And He convicted me of sin... and sins, long before I read a verse confirming what the holy spirit convicted me of.
What is sin for someone in Canada may not be a sin in Africa and vice versa. When missionaries went to Africa and found them all naked they made them put clothes on because they were sinning. If you believe they were right, then you are just as legalistic as they were IMO. Where is the verse that tells you those missionaries were right?
One does not have to be 'OF the faith' to still be 'IN the faith'. Becoming 'a Christian' to be 'IN the Christian faith' only takes a 'new birth'. While becoming 'Christian/Christ like' takes a long time in the walk 'OF the faith'. And I knew what sin was because I had His convicting spirit in me. If you can't relate to that, then I can see why 'the law book' seems so important to you.
You are making a 'bar ditch' response to my middle of the road position. In case you missed it...everything in red in my posts is SCRIPTURE. I study them, but I don't worship them and I don't need them to know what sin God is dealing with in my life.You said” If you must read then you would be led by your head. Jesus' recommendation is for you to be led by the Spirit in this world. “
With that reasoning we have no need for the bible what so ever, we have no need for the teachings of Jesus what so ever. We can just depend of the Spirit to teach us everything.
How is this possible? We must test the spirits and we can test them by looking to see if the spirit contradicts God’s word. God left us his word to be a lamp unto our feet and God sent his spirit to help us understand his word.
Since when did the NT "commandments of Christ" become the OT "commandments of Jehovah"? Read your verses above as I do and they say nothing about following something written in the OT. They have done away with walking in the 'written' shadow to walk in the 'spiritual' light.“By this do we know Christ, if we keep his commandments, he that says I know him and keeps not his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his/JESUS commandments, for this is the love of God, that we keep his/JESUS commandments and his/JESUS commandments are not grievous.” We are to reverence God and keep his commandments,
Your first scripture is very 'clear'.this is the whole duty of men. Also Rev 14:12, Rev 12:17, Can it be any more clear?
Ok first of all you didn't address anything I wrote. Secondly I did not say we are without sin. Bible says in Romans 4:15 "for where there is no law there is no transgression" and 1 john 3:4 " sin is transgression of the law. that would be the conclusion from the verses above if the the lie that has been fed to christianity is true "that the Law has been dons away with"
I would say it is certainly not okay.