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[Crowns&Laurels]

If a parent chooses to impose their beliefs and thinking on a young adult, it will eventually be your kid telling you what to do with your beliefs. Unless, you were successful in brainwashing them.

Maybe they'll go shoot up a school, and after, tell God about how they don't think He exists.

Ever since this thing began, there's been nothing but controversy and absurdity in them.

 

[oi_antz]

I don't need a God, to determine when certain pleasures should not take priority over other important things, especially when they impact other people.

As they impact your relationship to Him though, that is the topic. But you aren't one of His people, are you?

 

[anonymous person]

You ignored this bit:

If by virtue of the furthering of the doctrine of the trinity, some greater good is achieved that would not have been possible otherwise, and this furthering itself is brought about by virtue of some particular means of deception, then by virtue of the greater good that is achieved, the specific act of deception is acceptable.

Indeed this principle I think obtains not only to theological commitments, but to any commitment.

Whatever I do, my aim is that it be that which works the greater good.

 

[Hattington]

Children are a legacy. You don't tell people what to do with their kids.

Let children create their own legacy. Trying to impose your beliefs to "preserve" your legacy is selfish and outdated.

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

Let children create their own legacy. Trying to impose your beliefs to "preserve" your legacy is selfish and outdated.

Something that has been the way of man since the dawn of time is not something 'outdated'. That's just the arrogance of people of this current time. Colleges have become breeding grounds for specialty groups and hysteria. There is no choice either way, you either let them get sucked into that or get them on another track.
It's the whole reason a liberal would even argue that kids shouldn't be made to go to religious schools- they've become sure that they will make those kids one of their own, and that is textbook conformity on a large scale.

People who pay child support have to continue to do so if the child enters college. But they're 'adults', right? If a parent is going to pay, they have every right to pay toward what they want to see of their legacy.

Let's put it in perspective:

 

[Hattington]

Something that has been the way of man since the dawn of time is not something 'outdated'. That's just the arrogance of people of this current time. Colleges have become breeding grounds for specialty groups and hysteria. There is no choice either way, you either let them get sucked into that or get them on another track.
It's the whole reason a liberal would even argue that kids shouldn't be made to go to religious schools- they've become sure that they will make those kids one of their own, and that is textbook conformity on a large scale.

People who pay child support have to continue to do so if the child enters college. But they're 'adults', right? If a parent is going to pay, they have every right to pay toward what they want to see of their legacy.

Christianity has been for thousands of years and is more outdated than windows XP. Further, colleges promote free and logical thinking. Sending your kids to college is not to preserve your legacy is to help them reach further in life.

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

Christianity has been for thousands of years and is more outdated than windows XP. Further, colleges promote free and logical thinking. Sending your kids to college is not to preserve your legacy is to help them reach further in life.

Let's talk about feminism then for a moment. Every single thing about feminism is a lie. Do you know where a lot of it comes from? Girls in college in their liberal arts, completely sabotaging whatever standing feminism ever once had.
With religion, it's the same thing. People like Dawkins attempting to sway people toward atheism outright. Coleges even going after others for having rosaries or expressing their faith..

There's a difference between 'freethinking' and simply being an 'idiot', and there's a difference between 'teaching' and 'conforming'.

 

[David Colin Gould]

To answer this I will direct you to a treatment of this issue in section 3.2 of the article linked below.

plato.stanford.edu/entries/anselm/#ConDivAtt

Using what criteria is the ability to lie being judged a weakness? If I can defeat the Nazis by lying, my ability to lie is a strength, not a weakness.

 

[anonymous person]

Why would that not be possible?

Because my theological commitments will always lead me to act in such a way as to work towards the greater good.

Me being willing to kill at the command of God does not nullify this.

 

[David Colin Gould]

Because my theological commitments will always lead me to act in such a way as to work towards the greater good.

Me being willing to kill at the command of God does not nullify this.

Does God always act in such a way as to work towards the greater good?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

What are you saying here? That God does lie, but that's okay because he told Paul the truth that he had lied?

And no one here is talking about needing to lie, but the willingness and ability to lie in some situations.


eudaimonia,

Mark

No, Eu, I'm not saying that God lies. He doesn't, and He won't. What I'm saying is that what may appear as an instance of God "lying" is in fact His revocation of an overly sinful person's license to access God's continued providence and truth. Moreover, when God sees fits to make such a revocation, He has more than one method by which to accomplish it.

Sad but true...

2PhiloVoid

 

[Hattington]

Let's talk about feminism then for a moment. Every single thing about feminism is a lie. Do you know where a lot of it comes from? Girls in college in their liberal arts, completely sabotaging whatever standing feminism ever once had.
With religion, it's the same thing. People like Dawkins attempting to sway people toward atheism outright. Coleges even going after others for having rosaries or expressing their faith..

There's a difference between 'freethinking' and simply being an 'idiot', and there's a difference between 'teaching' and 'conforming'.

Feminism is an argument that anybody can make. They have a political drive to voice their reasoning in a social issue. Whether the masses chose to follow their points is up to the individual. These classes are still promoting freethinking.
Further, teaching and conforming are two separate topics. How do they relate to this conversation?

 

[David Colin Gould]

No, Eu, I'm not saying that God lies. He doesn't, and He won't. What I'm saying is that what may appear as an instance of God "lying" is in fact His revocation of an overly sinful person's license to access God's continued providence and truth. Moreover, when God sees fits to make such a revocation, He has more than one method by which to accomplish it.

Sad but true...

2PhiloVoid

So God can lie by omission?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

So God can lie by omission?

No...it's God obfuscating via "remission," rather than commission or omission.

 

[David Colin Gould]

No...it's God obfuscating via "remission," rather than commission or omission.

So God deliberately hides the truth. Saying that God does not lie, then, seems to just be a kind of sneaky lawyer trick.

 

[anonymous person]

I don't know if this has been asked before, but:
Since God's only begotten Son was mortal wouldn't He have died anyway even if He hadn't been crucified? And how much of a sacrifice was it since He was only dead for three days and then returned better than ever, eating fish and feeling no pain?

I think more than a few parents would sacrifice their only son if they knew for a certainty - as God knew - that their son would be resurrected as an immortal within 3 days.

Thank you Daisy Day for joining in the discussion with us. Now to your question.

Since God's only begotten Son was mortal wouldn't He have died anyway even if He hadn't been crucified?

Before the actualization of this world, and in the eternal purposes of God and in accordance with His sovereign will from eternity past, Christ's death by crucifixion had been predestined to take place. By virtue of this, the question you ask contains within it a counterfactual with an impossible antecedent, in that in this actual world, it is not possible that Christ could have not been crucified.

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

Feminism is an argument that anybody can make. They have a political drive to voice their reasoning in a social issue. Whether the masses chose to follow their points is up to the individual. These classes are still promoting freethinking.
Further, teaching and conforming are two separate topics. How do they relate to this conversation?

Telling lies like '1 in 4 female students are raped' or promoting an idea that girls aren't accountable for what they do when they are drunk is the result of liberal studies brainwashing them.
The worst part is, they aren't the only ones eating that up.
There's also the myth that colleges are neutral, which is what you are trying to say. They are not. They have proven this time and time again.
And if a 'young adult' is able to think so well for themselves, then a religious institution is nothing to be worried about. So either way, your ideology doesn't stand so well. It's more just like a base rejection of God trying to masquerade as something more.

It's funny how 'freethinkers' think exactly the same. They all believe and agree on the same exact things, and come to the same conclusions- they are not really freethinkers at all. They are just liberal anti-theists, plain and simple.

 

[anonymous person]

That's not very convincing. All he does is claim that lying is a weakness (in what sense?) and that God cannot be weak, so therefore, he cannot lie. But that would seem to be discordant with one of the foundational premises of Christianity, which is that God willingly became "weak" so that, through him, we could become strong (1).

Did you reference sections 4.1 and 4.2?

 

[Haloman800]

What is your political position? Minarchist here.

 

[Hattington]

Telling lies like '1 in 4 female students are raped' or promoting an idea that girls aren't accountable for what they do when they are drunk is the result of liberal studies brainwashing them.
The worst part is, they aren't the only ones eating that up.
There's also the myth that colleges are neutral, which is what you are trying to say. They are not. They have proven this time and time again.
And if a 'young adult' is able to think so well for themselves, then a religious institution is nothing to be worried about. So either way, your ideology doesn't stand so well. It's more just like a base rejection of God trying to masquerade as something more.

It's funny how 'freethinkers' think exactly the same. They all believe and agree on the same exact things, and come to the same conclusions- they are not really freethinkers at all. They are just liberal anti-theists, plain and simple.

If we all come to the same conclusion then we are onto a good theory. That alone shows the validity of the argument because we come from different backgrounds and institutions, yet agree on the bottom line.
For the liberal part: society has seen a change in the patriarchal ways for the past 100 years. It is not a surprise that even men are advocating for women to be protected from these patriarchal views.
For the young adult thing: you're right. Young adults do not worry, they just walk away from religious institutions that do not appeal to them. But the problem is in younger individuals. Kids who still cannot form logical connections and rely on adults for answers. It is those kids that are brainwashed at church to bigot and hate.
Further, I freely advocate the end of religion because I can see how much hate it fosters in the nation. We are so advanced yet homosexuals are still segregated. Churches accumulate millions and do not pay taxes. They spend on megachurches and fancy clothes when the children starve. It is a big corporation aiming to brainwash as many as possible to keep its monetary control and young adults are starting to see this which leads them to walk away. Colleges, promoting free thinking allow students to see various parts of the argument and when this part arises for churches it is only in the logical mind to reject it.