God's LAW has not ended -- according to the Bible

[Sophrosyne]

Who said that? Paul? Or Jesus?

Paul was taught these things by Jesus.

 

[Frogster]

Paul was taught these things by Jesus.

True....

 

[BobRyan]

Who said that? Paul? Or Jesus?

The same one who said -

Gal 5 (NKJV)
13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another!

Walking in the Spirit
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.


Same one who said
Rom 13
8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.
9 For the commandments,
“You shall not commit adultery,”
“You shall not murder,”
“You shall not steal,”
“You shall not bear false witness,”
“You shall not covet,”
and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.


But for the lost - they find themselves enslaved to sin - to sinning - to the Romans 8 principle as contrasted to the saved in Romans 8.

Rom 8 (NKJV)
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[BobRyan]

Someone recently asked for page one of this thread again -- so "Bump"

 

[BABerean2]

Or can we dismiss these texts in favor of equivocating between the Old Covenant and the Law of God such that God's commandments are to be "Abolished".

The method of salvation seems to be the key difference between the Sinai Covenant of death mediated by Moses and the New Covenant of eternal life, mediated by Christ. No one but the high priest could enter the Holy of Holies and then it was once per year with fear of death. Through Christ we have constant access.

Paul most certainly battled the Judaisers. He clearly spoke against those who were hanging onto the Mosaic Covenant, especially in the Book of Galatians. In Galatians chapter 4 he compared the Old Covenant to bondage and clearly says that we are to cast out the bondwoman and her son, who represented the Sinai Covenant.
However, he also clearly speaks against lawlessness in the Book of Romans.

We must see that the New Covenant is a higher law, with eternal promises.

Those who are indwelled with the Holy Spirit have someone inside of us who shows us our sin on a constant basis.


Heb 7:11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

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[BobRyan]

I am glad to see agreement that there is no salvation under the Old Covenant - just the New Covenant has salvation and it is the Gal 1:6-9 Gospel (one and ONLY Gospel) that was the "GOSPEL preached to US just as it was to THEM also" Heb 4:2 for the "GOSPEL was preached to Abraham" Gal 3:7

That NEW Covenant is in BOTH the OT and the NT.

No wonder New Covenant saints in both the OT and NT would have the "Law of God written on the mind and heart" --

we saw it in Jer 31:31-33 and in Heb 8


Jer 31:
31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.
33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”



Heb 8
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete

Exegesis dictates that we admit to the "Moral law of God" known to Jeremiah and his readers.

 

[BABerean2]

That NEW Covenant is in BOTH the OT and the NT.

The New Covenant is in the OT, found in the Covenant made with Abraham.
Through his seed all the nations would be blessed.

It is not the Sinai Covenant, which we are to cast out based on Galatians chapter 4.

Jer 31:
31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.
33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”



Heb 8

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.


7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.

8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—

9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”


Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
(The Sinai Covenant cannot disannul the Abrahamic Promise. The Sinai Covenant was made 430 years after the Abrahamic Covenant.)

Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
(Our inheritance does not come through the Sinai law.)

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
(The law was added until the promised Seed (Christ) would come.)

Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
(The Sinai law cannot give life.)

Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
(The moral law shows us our sin until we come to faith in Christ.)

Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
(Those indwelled with the Holy Spirit have the moral law inside of us.)

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
(The inheritance comes through the promise made to Abraham.)

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[BobRyan]

The New Covenant is in the OT, found in the Covenant made with Abraham.
Through his seed all the nations would be blessed.

It is not the Sinai Covenant, which we are to cast out based on Galatians chapter 4.

Today - it is the moral law of Sinai but it is not the covenant with the nation.

God did not "cast out his law" rather "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! in fact we ESTABLISH the LAW of God" Rom 3:31

The LAW of God was not "a competing gospel" at odds with the actual Gospel.

Jer 31:
31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.
33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

That is Christ speaking and Jeremiah knew of the moral law of God - so also did his readers. It is the moral law of God that they knew then - to which he refers.

And of course Heb 8 points out that it was CHRIST's commandments at Sinai.


Heb 8

Heb 8:6 But now hath he (Christ) obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.

8 Because finding fault with them, He says: (Christ says) “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—

9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.


And so it was Christ giving those commandments on Sinai -- it is Christ's commandments.

Thus in Gal 3 - it is not a competing gospel in the LAW - and in fact nothing in the LAW of God contradicts the Gospel.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.


Gal 3
9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.

Gen 26:5
5 because Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.”

Abraham was obedient to the LAW of God but not justified by works - rather justified by faith. The law was not a "competing Gospel"

Gal 3

10 For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them.” 11 Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “The righteous man shall live by faith.” 12 However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “He who practices them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”— 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.


Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
(The Sinai Covenant cannot disannul the Abrahamic Promise. The Sinai Covenant was made 430 years after the Abrahamic Covenant.)
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
(Our inheritance does not come through the Sinai law.)
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
(The law was added until the promised Seed (Christ) would come.)
Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
(The Sinai law cannot give life.)

Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
(The moral law shows us our sin until we come to faith in Christ.)
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
(Those indwelled with the Holy Spirit have the moral law inside of us.)

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

 

[BABerean2]

That is Christ speaking and Jeremiah knew of the moral law of God - so also did his readers. It is the moral law of God that they knew then - to which he refers.

And of course Heb 8 points out that it was CHRIST's commandments at Sinai.

Again, you are attempting to substitute the Sinai Covenant in place of the Abrahamic Seed covenant and the commandments of Christ.



Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.


Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.


Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

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1Jn 3:21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
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[BobRyan]

Again, you are attempting to substitute the Sinai Covenant in place of the Abrahamic Seed covenant and the commandments of Christ.

The Bible says Christ gave His commandments at Sinai.

Read Heb 8:6-10 - or if you wish I will quote it again.

 

[BobRyan]

1 John 5
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"

Ex 20:6 "love Me and KEEP My Commandments".

John 14:15 "if you Love Me KEEP My Commandments"

Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself"
Matt 22 - "Love your neighbor as yourself"
Rom 13 "Love your neighbor as yourself"
James 2 "Love your neighbor as yourself"

Matt 22 "Love God with all your heart"
Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart"

 

[BABerean2]

The Bible says Christ gave His commandments at Sinai.

Read Heb 8:6-10 - or if you wish I will quote it again.

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
(Not the same covenant as you are implying.)

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.


Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
(The New Covenant is not according to the Sinai covenant, which they broke.)

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
(The Sinai Covenant is obsolete.)
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Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

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1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

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[bbbbbbb]

Today - it is the moral law of Sinai but it is not the covenant with the nation.

God did not "cast out his law" rather "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! in fact we ESTABLISH the LAW of God" Rom 3:31

The LAW of God was not "a competing gospel" at odds with the actual Gospel.

Jer 31:
31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.
33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

That is Christ speaking and Jeremiah knew of the moral law of God - so also did his readers. It is the moral law of God that they knew then - to which he refers.

And of course Heb 8 points out that it was CHRIST's commandments at Sinai.


Heb 8

Heb 8:6 But now hath he (Christ) obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.

8 Because finding fault with them, He says: (Christ says) “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—

9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.


And so it was Christ giving those commandments on Sinai -- it is Christ's commandments.

Thus in Gal 3 - it is not a competing gospel in the LAW - and in fact nothing in the LAW of God contradicts the Gospel.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.


Gal 3
9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.

Gen 26:5
5 because Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.”

Abraham was obedient to the LAW of God but not justified by works - rather justified by faith. The law was not a "competing Gospel"

Gal 3

10 For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them.” 11 Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “The righteous man shall live by faith.” 12 However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “He who practices them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”— 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.


Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
(The Sinai Covenant cannot disannul the Abrahamic Promise. The Sinai Covenant was made 430 years after the Abrahamic Covenant.)
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
(Our inheritance does not come through the Sinai law.)
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
(The law was added until the promised Seed (Christ) would come.)
Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
(The Sinai law cannot give life.)

Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
(The moral law shows us our sin until we come to faith in Christ.)
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
(Those indwelled with the Holy Spirit have the moral law inside of us.)

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Where in Exodus 20 does it say that it is the moral law of Sinai but it is not the covenant with the nation?

 

[BobRyan]

Where in Exodus 20 does it say that it is the moral law of Sinai but it is not the covenant with the nation?

The difference between Old and New Covenant is not the moral law that defines sin - the Commandments of God for as John says in the NT "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 - that is how sin continues to be defined.

Rather the difference is the location of it.

under the NEW Covenant it is "written on the mind and heart" - Jer 31:31-33... Heb 8:6-10

Paul repeatedly stresses the Ten Commandment moral law of God as defining what sin is - in Romans 3, in Romans 7, in 1Cor 6.

So no doubt when in Rom 3:31 he says "Do we then make VOiD the Law of God by our faith - God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the Law of God" the same Law that in Romans 3 brings to light 'the knowledge of sin" and condemns "All the world"

 

[BobRyan]

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
(Not the same covenant as you are implying.)

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.


Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
(The New Covenant is not according to the Sinai covenant, which they broke.)

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
(The Sinai Covenant is obsolete.)
....................................................


Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

....................................................


1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

And your point?

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The TEN commandments are included in "THE LAW" the Moral Law of God that defines sin.

Eph 6:2
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:

Ten Commandments spoken by Christ at Sinai - Ex 20. Heb 8:6-10

Ten Commandments quoted in NT when giving examples of the LAW.

Romans 7:7
7 What shall we say then? Is THE Law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through THE Law. For I would not have known covetousness unless THE law had said, “You shall not covet.”

Ten Commandments -- "The Word of God" -- "The Commandment of God" - "Moses Said"

Matt 19
16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said,
“‘You shall not murder,’
‘You shall not commit adultery,’
‘You shall not steal,’
‘You shall not bear false witness,’
19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and,
‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

Rom 2
21 You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal?
22 You who say, “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples?
23 You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law?

 

[bbbbbbb]

The difference between Old and New Covenant is not the moral law that defines sin - the Commandments of God for as John says in the NT "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 - that is how sin continues to be defined.

Rather the difference is the location of it.

under the NEW Covenant it is "written on the mind and heart" - Jer 31:31-33... Heb 8:6-10

Paul repeatedly stresses the Ten Commandment moral law of God as defining what sin is - in Romans 3, in Romans 7, in 1Cor 6.

So no doubt when in Rom 3:31 he says "Do we then make VOiD the Law of God by our faith - God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the Law of God" the same Law that in Romans 3 brings to light 'the knowledge of sin" and condemns "All the world"

Thank you for the theological answer. It is quite evident from your answer that there is no mention of any "moral law of Sinai versus the law of the nations" in scripture. And, here, I thought you were all about sola scriptura.

 

[BobRyan]

The distinction is so clear that even the pro-sunday scholars "get the point' as we saw in the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and the "Westminster Confession of Faith" - a clear distinction between the moral law, the civil laws and the ceremonial laws at sinai.

Even the RCC itself seems to have figured that Bible detail out.

 

[bbbbbbb]

The distinction is so clear that even the pro-sunday scholars "get the point' as we saw in the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and the "Westminster Confession of Faith" - a clear distinction between the moral law, the civil laws and the ceremonial laws at sinai.

Even the RCC itself seems to have figured that Bible detail out.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Here, I thought you were about sola scriptura, not quoting man-made confessions.

 

[BABerean2]

The distinction is so clear that even the pro-sunday scholars "get the point' as we saw in the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and the "Westminster Confession of Faith" - a clear distinction between the moral law, the civil laws and the ceremonial laws at sinai.

These are the same confessions of faith that mistakenly apply the Sinai covenant to Adam and Eve, before the fall.

"Thou shalt not commit adultery." Who would they have committed adultery with?

You may want to look for a different source of truth than manmade confessions, that are obviously flawed in their most basic principles.
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[BobRyan]

These are the same confessions of faith that mistakenly apply the Sinai covenant to Adam and Eve, before the fall.

Not one of them says "Sinai Covenant applies to Adam and Eve before the fall"

Are you suggesting that they edit their confessions to say that??

"Thou shalt not commit adultery." Who would they have committed adultery with?

The speculative suggestion that if you are not tempted to do something - it must not be illegal or against the law - has not worked in any age known to mankind.

In the meantime even God in Ex 20:11 refers back to Adam and Eve before the fall for the Sabbath. Is He also in error in your view? So then not just those pro-sunday groups that see this Bible detail - but the Bible itself? is it wrong in your view?

When someone comes up with a view resulting in claiming that not only are the Saturday Bible Sabbath Christians wrong, so also the pro-Sunday Christians and the Bible itself in Ex 20:11 also wrong - well at some point one has to "reconsider".