Bruce Jenner

[heatedmonk]

I don't think you realize what you've said here.

Yes, Bruce Jenner caused the media frenzy.

You said he didn't want to come out with this sooner , per his own words in the video, because of the media frenzy it would cause.
Olympic medal winner, Dec-athlete, feels like a woman! Be it 1979, 1989, or 2000, it would have been big news regardless.

Jenner wanted control? He's got a reality show! Camera's follow him around, film "everything", because reality shows aren't really so, and now he's in the limelight exploiting the media frenzy. And he knows! He's media savvy because he was a sports commentator , in front of the camera's, a media buzz as an Olympian, long years before this.

Now, he's coming out and saying he's always felt like a woman! He graduated his appearance in stages, with paparazzi following him because he was the Kardashian husband for years and on TV in that reality show. He had his hair long, he had buds appearing under his shirt in shots. He was morphing before the still camera images and video that was taken of him before he changed his name.

And now you're saying he's getting our attention because of what is between his legs? What was there when he was going public and enjoying the spotlight as Bruce is still there when he's claiming the name of Cait! It's our fault he's transformed a public image he's cultivated before the cameras for over 4 decades as a man when he purposefully gets our attention and compounds that by signing a reality show contract for his own Call Me Cait TV reality show, as a woman?

Try again.​

I'm sorry but, no. Bruce Jenner did not cause the media frenzy. In fact, from what I've seen of the interviews, the media is a large part of why he didn't do it sooner -- he actually said that in the interview you reference. He knew once he actually did, he'd be scrutinized and become a huge media story. The fact is, we know from multiple accounts that this is something Bruce has struggled with most of his life.

From what I recall, the first speculation that Jenner might be transsexual was in the tabloids over a decade ago, and the tabloids were speculating full time for a year or more before Bruce finally talked to the media about it. Let us get this straight, the reason this is news is because people want to hear it, it has sold a lot of tabloids. Jenner is merely being smart and trying to have some control over what the media is saying. If no one cared what is between Jenner's legs this wouldn't be a story; it is only a story (and this long thread on Christian Forums) because people have such an interest.

 

[heatedmonk]

Maybe you should do a little bit of research before making declarations about what people are doing.

Maybe you should do the research and realize he showed his son the new breasts he had achieved through breast augmentation surgery. And transitioning since the 80's? Well, that would be believable if he didn't father children in the 80's. Not something that is easily done when being inundated with estrogen to overcome his natural testosterone. News reports vary from he nearly transitioned to he started transitioning. The Jenner children make that a little suspect to say the least.

And there are Transitioned people who made that switch through surgery in their 50's, 60's and even 70's. But for Bruce this would mean augmenting his penis and scrotum so as to make a female opening.And once that's done there's no going back to the old Bruce.

 

[brinny]

Jenner is considering surgery, but surgery, especially for someone in their 60's, can be dangerous. It involves several hours under anesthesia. Getting the surgery done, even for someone who really wants the result, is a careful decision.



Is there any reason why you are wondering?

He apparently has issues that seem to be related a Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

 

[Cute Tink]

Maybe you should do the research and realize he showed his son the new breasts he had achieved through breast augmentation surgery. And transitioning since the 80's? Well, that would be believable if he didn't father children in the 80's. Not something that is easily done when being inundated with estrogen to overcome his natural testosterone. News reports vary from he nearly transitioned to he started transitioning. The Jenner children make that a little suspect to say the least.

Did you read the quote I posted? I'll bold the parts you seem to have missed:

But the former Olympic champion and reality star actually attempted to transition 30 years ago, taking hormones for almost five years and growing 36B breasts.

Taking hormones for almost 5 years in the 80's is not me stating she's been taking them "since the 80's".

If you watch the interview, she stated this to Diane Sawyer as well.

And there are Transitioned people who made that switch through surgery in their 50's, 60's and even 70's. But for Bruce this would mean augmenting his penis and scrotum so as to make a female opening.And once that's done there's no going back to the old Bruce.

Surgery in the 80's wasn't necessarily the optimum. Yes, some people did it. Apparently it wasn't the time for Caitlyn. At this point, the surgery is far more successful, but still dangerous to someone in their 60's.

The surgery doesn't "augment" the penis and scrotum.

 

[Cute Tink]

He apparently has issues that seem to be related a Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

What, exactly, does that have to do with her "conflicted feelings about females" including ""female-envy" and/or hatred (misogyny)"?

Also, for the record, her name is legally Caitlyn and her first name was never "Bruce", so you are actually using an old middle name that no longer legally applies to her at all.

 

[brinny]

I don't think you realize what you've said here.

Yes, Bruce Jenner caused the media frenzy.

You said he didn't want to come out with this sooner , per his own words in the video, because of the media frenzy it would cause.
Olympic medal winner, Dec-athlete, feels like a woman! Be it 1979, 1989, or 2000, it would have been big news regardless.

Jenner wanted control? He's got a reality show! Camera's follow him around, film "everything", because reality shows aren't really so, and now he's in the limelight exploiting the media frenzy. And he knows! He's media savvy because he was a sports commentator , in front of the camera's, a media buzz as an Olympian, long years before this.

Now, he's coming out and saying he's always felt like a woman! He graduated his appearance in stages, with paparazzi following him because he was the Kardashian husband for years and on TV in that reality show. He had his hair long, he had buds appearing under his shirt in shots. He was morphing before the still camera images and video that was taken of him before he changed his name.

And now you're saying he's getting our attention because of what is between his legs? What was there when he was going public and enjoying the spotlight as Bruce is still there when he's claiming the name of Cait! It's our fault he's transformed a public image he's cultivated before the cameras for over 4 decades as a man when he purposefully gets our attention and compounds that by signing a reality show contract for his own Call Me Cait TV reality show, as a woman?

Try again.​

Narcissism.

 

[brinny]

What, exactly, does that have to do with her "conflicted feelings about females" including ""female-envy" and/or hatred (misogyny)"?

Also, for the record, her name is legally Caitlyn and her first name was never "Bruce", so you are actually using an old middle name that no longer legally applies to her at all.

Bruce has male DNA and male parts and is sexually attracted to females. He attempts to "appear" as a female, yet maintains a sexual attraction to genetic females.

You tell me.

 

[Cute Tink]

Bruce has male DNA and male parts and is sexually attracted to females. He attempts to "appear" as a female, yet maintains a sexual attraction to genetic females.

You tell me.

You believe that having sexual attraction is the same as hating that group, experiencing jealousy and having conflicted feelings?

As a side note, by definition you believe these same things about me, because I have male DNA (assumably, I've never checked and neither has Caitlyn as far as she's said), male parts and experience attraction to females (though not solely to females).

 

[Maren]

Sure he did.

Some even suspect he's narcissistic about it and has a deep-seated need for the attention.

Yes, plenty of people here seem to believe that but the evidence doesn't support it.

 

[Maren]

Narcissism.

Ad hominem.

 

[heatedmonk]

He apparently has issues that seem to be related a Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

I'd suggest the Kardashian clan suffers that.

 

[heatedmonk]

Bruce has male DNA and male parts and is sexually attracted to females. He attempts to "appear" as a female, yet maintains a sexual attraction to genetic females.

You tell me.

May I make a suggestion?
You'll notice this being a Christian forum that allows the privilege of diversity in membership, that there appears to be a collective, a very small one, of non-Christians who advocate contrary to Christian principles, doctrine, and scripture.

Where's the argument?

The Christian, and I can be pulled into this as well and I affirmed to myself that I would not allow that as I took a break from here, as you'd recommended is a good idea if I remember correctly, and for other reasons as well, knows God's word and will for their life. And as a Christian perspective is a lifestyle for the Christian, we see there is no divide between the secular realm and the spiritual or ecclesiastical. We don't turn off our religious perspective because we go to work right after church.

Our faith lives in us and guides us. We'll be accused of thinking the whole world should comport to our ideas, but they're not ours, and you'll notice it isn't the Christian that makes that accusation about the world, they're God's. And while the world isn't obligated to comply, we are spirited to see the world through the doctrine Christ imparted for us to carry within us so that God's word is never separated from us.

So who are we actually thinking we're going to convince to believe as we do? When they argue for what is very apparent; they don't. And they won't. But what they want us to accept is the Godless perspective, meaning those who aren't of God, abandon the word of God, the teachings of Christ, and concede to their perspective. Absent the Bible. Absent the word. Absent the spirit of Christ.

And you'll notice when a Christian doesn't do this, the world that expects the compromise of us, calls us bigot. When that label affixes by definition both ways. If we're bigots because we hold to scripture, those who hold to philosophy that is adamantly opposed are too.

But the world doesn't see that.

You'll never convince those not of the spirit to see things your way when you are.
And remember, you could be talking to those who are what we're discussing here about Bruce Jenner. Though they've never met him they take the whole thing personally because it is such. Consider that as well sister.

God's word is innate. Because he is a spirit and his word, which isn't just the Bible, imbues all that exists. Who are we trying to convince? No one talks anyone into God.

Be blessed. Hope that helps. As I hope it helps me to recall that when I move through topics like this. Or better yet, probably better to just avoid them. God's word declares those who die in their sins....

Who am I to argue.

 

[brinny]

You believe that having sexual attraction is the same as hating that group, experiencing jealousy and having conflicted feelings?

As a side note, by definition you believe these same things about me, because I have male DNA (assumably, I've never checked and neither has Caitlyn as far as she's said), male parts and experience attraction to females (though not solely to females).

No.

I believe this is the subject:

Bruce Jenner

Is it not?

 

[brinny]

Ad hominem.

No.

Just a possible symptom.

Especially regarding the entire scenario (and his subsequent reactions/responses to it) regarding the woman who died as a result of his vehicle knocking into hers, sending her across a highway into another vehicle and his vehicle causing yet another vehicle accident.

An accurate diagnosis is in order.

 

[heatedmonk]

No.

Just a possible symptom.

Especially regarding the entire scenario (and his subsequent reactions/responses to it) regarding the woman who died as a result of his vehicle knocking into hers, sending her across a highway into another vehicle and his vehicle causing yet another vehicle accident.

An accurate diagnosis is in order.

Indeed. Especially when he's not going to be charged for his part in Kim Howe's death. And now, the news is he's fighting the wrongful death lawsuit.
Yes, I believe a diagnosis is in order.

 

[brinny]

Indeed. Especially when he's not going to be charged for his part in Kim Howe's death. And now, the news is he's fighting the wrongful death lawsuit.
Yes, I believe a diagnosis is in order.

Especially in light of the award re: his "courage" (which would also indicate/assume "character" as well).

Did he ever even apologize?

 

[heatedmonk]

Especially in light of the award re: his "courage" (which would also indicate/assume "character" as well).

Did he ever even apologize?

As far as I know he made a statement and did apologize to the Howe family.
There's an article on the net by Dr. Paul R. McHugh concerning Bruce Jenner. It's not something of courage what he's doing, but this doctor lays it out that it is indeed far worse.

And also, keep in mind there were reports , when you speak of his Narcissism, wherein it was Bruce Jenner who marketed the idea of his transitioning to be aired on TV as a series. And one of his sons, who's not as public as his others, isn't fond of the memories he had of his father. And Linda Thompson, one of his ex-wives, said he avoided the sons that are in the spotlight with him now, for years. But to see that Kardashian show, it looks like they've been tight all the boys lives.

Narcissism isn't a stretch.

The forgotten history of Bruce Jenner: How the 1970s all-American hero ended up here
One day in 1977, about a year after Bruce Jenner shattered a world record to win the decathlon gold medal at the Montreal Summer Olympics, he met up with his sportswriter friend Barry McDermott to play tennis in New York City.

McDermott suggested a match at his private club — but that wasn’t Jenner’s style. Privacy was never his priority.

 

[Followers4christ]

being lgbtq is something i am born with, it is nott changable, it is in the psyche... to shut it off would mean a split personality

God would never let you be tempted with a sin that he didn't give you the power to overcome (1 Corinthians 10:13). God is a just God and He has given you the strength to overcome this sin in your life through our lord Jesus (Philippians 4:13). The truth is homosexuality and all sexual immorality wages war against your soul (1 Corinthians 6:18). The bible is clear that homosexuality is sinful and dangerous to your walk with God (Romans 1:24-28 and 1 Corinthians 6:9-10). So please use the power God gave you and stop using it as a clutch by saying "I was born with it". The matter of fact nobody is born homosexual unless we want to say babies are sexual in nature. Homosexuality is something that is learned at a young age, but nobody is born with. God is knocking and will take your hand if you let Him in and let go.

 

[brinny]

As far as I know he made a statement and did apologize to the Howe family.
There's an article on the net by Dr. Paul R. McHugh concerning Bruce Jenner. It's not something of courage what he's doing, but this doctor lays it out that it is indeed far worse.

And also, keep in mind there were reports , when you speak of his Narcissism, wherein it was Bruce Jenner who marketed the idea of his transitioning to be aired on TV as a series. And one of his sons, who's not as public as his others, isn't fond of the memories he had of his father. And Linda Thompson, one of his ex-wives, said he avoided the sons that are in the spotlight with him now, for years. But to see that Kardashian show, it looks like they've been tight all the boys lives.

Narcissism isn't a stretch.

The forgotten history of Bruce Jenner: How the 1970s all-American hero ended up here
One day in 1977, about a year after Bruce Jenner shattered a world record to win the decathlon gold medal at the Montreal Summer Olympics, he met up with his sportswriter friend Barry McDermott to play tennis in New York City.

McDermott suggested a match at his private club — but that wasn’t Jenner’s style. Privacy was never his priority.

Thank you, reading it.

 

[DaisyDay]

Bruce has male DNA and male parts and is sexually attracted to females. He attempts to "appear" as a female, yet maintains a sexual attraction to genetic females.

You tell me.

You were told, but you don't listen.