Bruce Jenner

[Sistrin]

You do realize that my asking you to explain your viewpoint scientifically and back it up with medical journal articles was not a personal attack, right?

No, I didn't. And I apologize for that.

I have been really sick the last few days, and yesterday my head was pounding as if I were inside a bell. Consequently I was a bit short and quick to find fault. Again, my apologies. Later I will address your questions.

EDIT: I went back and found that all but one of my post have been deleted from the thread, for some reason, so apparently the issue here has been decided by Deus ex machina.

 

[Cute Tink]

No, I didn't. And I apologize for that.

I have been really sick the last few days, and yesterday my head was pounding as if I were inside a bell. Consequently I was a bit short and quick to find fault. Again, my apologies. Later I will address your questions.

I really hope you are feeling better today.

 

[Cearbhall]

No, I didn't. And I apologize for that.

I have been really sick the last few days, and yesterday my head was pounding as if I were inside a bell. Consequently I was a bit short and quick to find fault. Again, my apologies. Later I will address your questions.

I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you feel better.

 

[98cwitr]

being lgbtq is something i am born with, it is nott changable, it is in the psyche... to shut it off would mean a split personality

I'd have to agree with this. I've been told by a lot of people that being gay is a choice, and that doesn't add up. I believe our sexuality is ingrained in us, and I did not choose to be heterosexual, so I can't then believe that anyone chooses to be homosexual. What we do "choose" (perceived choice based on our ingrained nature) is what we do with our desires and feelings. We can choose to act on them or not act on them. I, as a Christian, cannot endorse an intimate union between two same sex partners, but I can choose to love them and be kind to them. We have several gay couples at church, and my wife and I have had dinner and commune with most of them. The conservative Christian would tell me not to be yoked with them, use Paul's message to "not even eat with those such as these" but if I believe that God protects me from sinfulness (1 John 5) and that Christ himself ate with the worst sinners (including even Judas!) and washed their feet, then I cannot simply ignore them because of their lifestyle. I don't hate gays, I don't hate transsexuals, I just dont agree with what they are doing (I think the 'Q' questioning people should make up their minds sooner than later though ). That said, I sometimes don't agree with what I'm doing! I do accept I cannot change that about them, so the best I can do is simply be a friend to them.

 

[brinny]

What's interesting is this guy wants to change into a woman but has never been attracted to men, so now Bruce Jenner is a lesbian.

i know, right?

That's what i've been sayin'...

jus' sayin'

 

[Cute Tink]

i know, right?

That's what i've been sayin'...

jus' sayin'

Still not a complicated idea. Caitlyn is in transition and identifies as female. That's all there is to the fact that she is a woman.

 

[brinny]

AvilaSurfer said: ↑
What's interesting is this guy wants to change into a woman but has never been attracted to men, so now Bruce Jenner is a lesbian.

brinny said: ↑
i know, right?

That's what i've been sayin'...

jus' sayin'

Still not a complicated idea. Caitlyn is in transition and identifies as female. That's all there is to the fact that she is a woman.

He's attracted women. He's a male lesbian.

Jus' sayin'.

 

[Cute Tink]

I see the same notion that I just addressed. If there is more to your post, it must be blocked by the network I'm on.

The part you may be finding confusion in is some idea that who she's attracted to is dependent upon how she identifies. It's not.

She was attracted to women before transition.
She's attracted to women now.

Why did you think that would change?

 

[brinny]

I see the same notion that I just addressed. If there is more to your post, it must be blocked by the network I'm on.

The part you may be finding confusion in is some idea that who she's attracted to is dependent upon how she identifies. It's not.

She was attracted to women before transition.
She's attracted to women now.

Why did you think that would change?

Bruce strived to appear as a women, yet, still maintains his male sex organs. He wanted to appear as a woman, and maintain sex with women because he is and has been attracted to females.

He's officially a male lesbian.

What i wonder about is if he has conflicted feelings about females as well, which would possibly include "female-envy" and/or hatred (misogyny)....

jus' wonderin'

 

[Maren]

Bruce strived to appear as a women, yet, still maintains his male sex organs. He wanted to appear as a woman, and maintain sex with women because he is and has been attracted to females.

He's officially a male lesbian.

What i wonder about is if he has conflicted feelings about females as well, which would possibly include "female-envy" and/or hatred (misogyny)....

jus' wonderin'

She couldn't have surgery now if she wanted to based on medical care standards. A person must complete a year of living as the opposite sex before they can have gender reassignment surgery, per the standards of care. It wouldn't surprise me if she has surgery planned for when she is eligible but, because of the media attention she is getting, is saying she may not get the surgery so that she can hopefully not be bothered by the media during the period of a rather difficult surgery and recovery.

Either way, she does not owe you any explanation, and it is rather perverted that you care what is between her legs.

 

[brinny]

She couldn't have surgery now if she wanted to based on medical care standards. A person must complete a year of living as the opposite sex before they can have gender reassignment surgery, per the standards of care. It wouldn't surprise me if she has surgery planned for when she is eligible but, because of the media attention she is getting, is saying she may not get the surgery so that she can hopefully not be bothered by the media during the period of a rather difficult surgery and recovery.

Either way, she does not owe you any explanation, and it is rather perverted that you care what is between her legs.

From what i understand he was scheduled for surgery to remove his male sex organs and then postponed it or decided against it.

Bruce himself opened up the issues about what is between his legs and what isn't.

jus' sayin'

On a side note: Would you care to re-examine your use of the word "perverted"?

 

[Maren]

From what i understand he was scheduled for surgery to remove his male sex organs and then postponed it or decided against it.

Bruce himself opened up the issues about what is between his legs and what isn't.

jus' sayin'

On a side note: Would you care to re-examine your use of the word "perverted"?

If someone was so concerned about what is between your legs, what would you call it? And I'm not calling you perverted, just saying the interest in it seems rather perverted. Though perhaps you have a better word for interest in the genitals of another person?

 

[brinny]

If someone was so concerned about what is between your legs, what would you call it? And I'm not calling you perverted, just saying the interest in it seems rather perverted. Though perhaps you have a better word for interest in the genitals of another person?

Bruce put himself and whatever is between his legs (or not) in the limelight.

On thinkin' about it, it's quite possible that Bruce may just have a "fetish".

 

[heatedmonk]

What's interesting is this guy wants to change into a woman but has never been attracted to men, so now Bruce Jenner is a lesbian.

No, he's a straight man who's had multiple wives and children
Interesting in the Diane Sawyer interview she had mentioned how the Kardashian clan are known for doing things for attention. And Bruce Jenner laughed and said something to the effect, and here all the time I was the story!
Very telling. I've not heard he's actually gone under the knife to augment his body below the neck. He's certainly not done so below the waist.
That there are Trans people who regret their decisions later on and sometimes apparently when they've already committed to all the surgery to alter their bodies to the opposite sex, they find they're even more miserable for that inalterable change they committed to so as to become what they were not born as.
Jenner hasn't done this. He's all male so he's straight when he's dating a woman.

.....
Chastity Bono had a female mate prior to becoming Chaz Bono. I believe they are still together.

Chastity came out as a Lesbian long years before she claimed the Trans status. Then she denied she'd ever been an SS activist. And unless things have changed last I saw a news blurb she'd broken off with the long time girlfriend. And remains female below the waist.

 

[heatedmonk]

If someone was so concerned about what is between your legs, what would you call it? And I'm not calling you perverted, just saying the interest in it seems rather perverted. Though perhaps you have a better word for interest in the genitals of another person?

That's some nerve!
Who makes their appearance before the press to get the publicity? And then when people pay attention you've got a problem with it? Maybe you need to realize when a man claims he's a woman and he's already a public figure, people are going to pay attention.
You do! Why do you have a problem with a straight natural born woman who happens to be a Christian showing interest and exercising the same right you think you have in this thread?

 

[heatedmonk]

Bruce put himself and whatever is between his legs (or not) in the limelight.

On thinkin' about it, it's quite possible that Bruce may just have a "fetish".

That's transvestism. And you could be right.

He's not taking female hormones, or Sawyer would have revealed that in questioning him in her interview. He's still full male and said in that interview he feels satisfied where he is, meaning keeping his manhood in tact. I've not heard he committed to breast implants. The breast look can be accomplished with false inserts that he can place in his attire.
The press reported he'd had plastic surgery to "feminize" <their word, his appearance. But from the looks of him in that Sawyer interview he looks more like a candidate for that Bravo show, "Botched". His blink sequencing is off. And his facial skin is pitted. Something that wasn't apparent when he was on the Kardashian show.

Wouldn't it be a headline if after about a year or so from now Bruce comes out and says his was a social experiment? And it was all done, because you notice the camera loving Kardashians are in on any opportunity to be part of his new show, so as to promote tolerance?

There's even a move in some cities to change streets named after him to his new name. Which has to be done on an official level due to the signage and mapping locally and nationally. And there was even talk about how to promote his Olympic achievements in a hall of fame. Uh, how's that an issue? Bruce Jenner won the Olympic Decathlon. All video archives and press coverage shows male Bruce in the Decathlon.
How confusing is that for future generations! Here's Caitlyn's hall of fame but it's all recorded as a man taking the glory! But you notice? All that hubbub quieted down now? The street signs issue, the Olympic hall of fame issue.

 

[Maren]

Bruce put himself and whatever is between his legs (or not) in the limelight.

On thinkin' about it, it's quite possible that Bruce may just have a "fetish".

No, he's a straight man who's had multiple wives and children
Interesting in the Diane Sawyer interview she had mentioned how the Kardashian clan are known for doing things for attention. And Bruce Jenner laughed and said something to the effect, and here all the time I was the story!
Very telling. I've not heard he's actually gone under the knife to augment his body below the neck. He's certainly not done so below the waist.
That there are Trans people who regret their decisions later on and sometimes apparently when they've already committed to all the surgery to alter their bodies to the opposite sex, they find they're even more miserable for that inalterable change they committed to so as to become what they were not born as.
Jenner hasn't done this. He's all male so he's straight when he's dating a woman.


Chastity came out as a Lesbian long years before she claimed the Trans status. Then she denied she'd ever been an SS activist. And unless things have changed last I saw a news blurb she'd broken off with the long time girlfriend. And remains female below the waist.

I'm sorry but, no. Bruce Jenner did not cause the media frenzy. In fact, from what I've seen of the interviews, the media is a large part of why he didn't do it sooner -- he actually said that in the interview you reference. He knew once he actually did, he'd be scrutinized and become a huge media story. The fact is, we know from multiple accounts that this is something Bruce has struggled with most of his life.

From what I recall, the first speculation that Jenner might be transsexual was in the tabloids over a decade ago, and the tabloids were speculating full time for a year or more before Bruce finally talked to the media about it. Let us get this straight, the reason this is news is because people want to hear it, it has sold a lot of tabloids. Jenner is merely being smart and trying to have some control over what the media is saying. If no one cared what is between Jenner's legs this wouldn't be a story; it is only a story (and this long thread on Christian Forums) because people have such an interest.

 

[brinny]

I'm sorry but, no. Bruce Jenner did not cause the media frenzy. In fact, from what I've seen of the interviews, the media is a large part of why he didn't do it sooner -- he actually said that in the interview you reference. He knew once he actually did, he'd be scrutinized and become a huge media story. The fact is, we know from multiple accounts that this is something Bruce has struggled with most of his life.

From what I recall, the first speculation that Jenner might be transsexual was in the tabloids over a decade ago, and the tabloids were speculating full time for a year or more before Bruce finally talked to the media about it. Let us get this straight, the reason this is news is because people want to hear it, it has sold a lot of tabloids. Jenner is merely being smart and trying to have some control over what the media is saying. If no one cared what is between Jenner's legs this wouldn't be a story; it is only a story (and this long thread on Christian Forums) because people have such an interest.

Sure he did.

Some even suspect he's narcissistic about it and has a deep-seated need for the attention.

 

[Cute Tink]

Bruce strived to appear as a women, yet, still maintains his male sex organs. He wanted to appear as a woman, and maintain sex with women because he is and has been attracted to females.

He's officially a male lesbian.

Jenner is considering surgery, but surgery, especially for someone in their 60's, can be dangerous. It involves several hours under anesthesia. Getting the surgery done, even for someone who really wants the result, is a careful decision.

What i wonder about is if he has conflicted feelings about females as well, which would possibly include "female-envy" and/or hatred (misogyny)....

jus' wonderin'

Is there any reason why you are wondering?

 

[Cute Tink]

He's not taking female hormones, or Sawyer would have revealed that in questioning him in her interview. He's still full male and said in that interview he feels satisfied where he is, meaning keeping his manhood in tact. I've not heard he committed to breast implants. The breast look can be accomplished with false inserts that he can place in his attire.

But the former Olympic champion and reality star actually attempted to transition 30 years ago, taking hormones for almost five years and growing 36B breasts.

Source.

She was on hormones for a while in the 80's. Clearly fakies are not needed.

Bruce Jenner revealed to hospital workers after Saturday’s deadly crash that he’s on hormones to make his breasts bigger so he can look even more like a woman.

Source.

Maybe you should do a little bit of research before making declarations about what people are doing.

Wouldn't it be a headline if after about a year or so from now Bruce comes out and says his was a social experiment?

Must be why she started transition in the 80's - to declare it a social experiment 3 decades later.

How confusing is that for future generations! Here's Caitlyn's hall of fame but it's all recorded as a man taking the glory! But you notice? All that hubbub quieted down now? The street signs issue, the Olympic hall of fame issue.

Clearly there is already plenty of confusion going around.