Why does the earth rotate?

[dad]

Off topic

But then again, it only takes one day to create the sun, so how long did it take for the sun to start the earth to rotate on it axis, or did it instantly start the earth to rotate at the same velocity it rotates now.

Yet seven days to create a universe, but yet it took 40 days to create a flood?

The sun never started the earth rotating. The sun was made after the earth.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

The sun never started the earth rotating. The sun was made after the earth.

Is there any objective evidence to support this claim?

 

[dad]

Is there any objective evidence to support this claim?

Is there any objective evidence for anything at the time of creation of the earth?

 

[AnotherAtheist]

Is there any objective evidence for anything at the time of creation of the earth?

No, because the world wasn't created.

There is objective evidence as to how the earth formed by natural means. E.g. http://www2.cnrs.fr/en/2123.htm

 

[AV1611VET]

No, because the world wasn't created.

By that, you mean you can put together a scenario by which a planet can form from space dust and even make predictions with that information?

Predictions that come true, as astronomers observe planets being formed according to their equations?

 

[dad]

No, because the world wasn't created.

There is objective evidence as to how the earth formed by natural means. E.g. http://www2.cnrs.fr/en/2123.htm

You admit having no objective evidence then. Haha. Now as to your opinion on why you have none..sorry, that has no currency.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

You admit having no objective evidence then. Haha. Now as to your opinion on why you have none..sorry, that has no currency.

This is a very odd reply to a post which gives a reference to a discussion on the evidence for how the earth formed. Can you actually address the evidence on that page, or are you just going to try and pretend it doesn't exist?

 

[Kylie]

The more important issue is that you in no way are in any position to challenge it.

Really? How about you actually start by SUPPORTING it? You've never been able to do that!

It tells you all you need to know. Jesus spoke the world into existence. There was never a little hot speck of soup that burped out the universe, and never any random little wandering lost planet that happened to smash into earth and start it spinning. There is no proof for that at all. Just a serious misreading of the heavens.

The fact that a collection of ancient mythology makes a particular claim does not mean that claim is correct. You need to learn this.

How did He calm the seas? He spoke, they behaved instantly! How did He heal the sick? He spoke, they were 100% better instantly. How did He raise the dead? He spoke, and they were alive and well again. What makes little man think he should be able to know all things at this stage of his little existence?? What pride. What presumptuousness. What gall. What darkness.

Citation needed.

Why did the sons of god need to no longer be able to marry women, or spirits live so directly among men? Why did men need to no longer live 1000 years, but less than a hundred? Why did the continents need to be separated? Etc etc etc. It is our job to love and trust Him, that He knows what He is doing and that it is for the best!

Sounds like blind obedience to me, the sort that discourages investigation.

 

[Kylie]

That's right.

God did it.

After all, when it comes to the creation week He documented what He did, when He did it, where He did it, how He did it, why He did it, what order He did it in, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitnesses were.

Credit where credit is due.

Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

By contrast, these modern day Diotrephes want the credit for themselves, to the point where they dismiss God altogether and won't receive our explanations.

3 John 9 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.

An excellent example of a Diotrephes is Edwin Hubble, who took (and/or was given) the credit for "discovering" that the universe is expanding; despite the fact that some fourteen times God makes it plain He did it.

And if we were to accept that as an answer, wouldn't that be the only answer we'd eve need? What causes people to get sick? Goddidit! And we'd leave it at that, and never learn about hygiene. And we'd live in a world with much more sickness than we have now. Such an answer would mean we'd never develop the tools that we have that allow us instantaneous communication around the world, or any of the other things we use to help save lives and enrich our society.

Is that a world you'd want to live in?

The fact that you are able to even read this thread is proof that being satisfied with "Goddidit" is a poor answer.

 

[morse86]

It doesn't rotate. Look at the space ballon videos on youtube. The sun isn't millions of miles away (the moon isn't either).

 

[AV1611VET]

The fact that you are able to even read this thread is proof that being satisfied with "Goddidit" is a poor answer.

Would "God started it" help you understand it better?

And if we were to accept that as an answer, wouldn't that be the only answer we'd eve need?

No.

What causes people to get sick?

God gifted us Rudolf Virchow. Ask him.

And we'd leave it at that, and never learn about hygiene.

Except God gifted us Dr John Snow to help with that.

And we'd live in a world with much more sickness than we have now.

Only if the gifts God gave us, in the form of scientists, were aborted.

Such an answer would mean we'd never develop the tools that we have that allow us instantaneous communication around the world, or any of the other things we use to help save lives and enrich our society.

That's why you need to understand that God gifts us scientists to sudy His creation, and in so doing, make our lives better.

Is that a world you'd want to live in?

Not for eternity.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

Would "God started it" help you understand it better?No.God gifted us Rudolf Virchow. Ask him.Except God gifted us Dr John Snow to help with that.Only if the gifts God gave us, in the form of scientists, were aborted.That's why you need to understand that God gifts us scientists to sudy His creation, and in so doing, make our lives better.Not for eternity.

If your world view was correct, then God also gifted us Darwin, Wallace, and huge numbers of biologists who have examined (and checked and rechecked) the evidence and came to the conclusion that evolution is the only way to explain life on earth. Why do you deny the work of these scientists that I presume you believe 'God gifted us'?

 

[AV1611VET]

If your world view was correct, then God also gifted us Darwin,

I won't dispute that.

But in Darwin's case -- as in Nimrod's -- he ended up using his talents against God.

 

[ananda]

One needs to have context, and look elsewhere in the bible rather than grqsping at the straw of what one feels like having it mean. In another place in the bible for example it mentionsmen as grasshoppers to God. Guess what? If one was hovering somewhere in a usual orbit circle, that is what men look like!

What's the reinterpretation (or, "context") of "the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved." 1Chron 16:30?

 

[ecco]

In another place in the bible for example it mentionsmen as grasshoppers to God. Guess what? If one was hovering somewhere in a usual orbit circle, that is what men look like!

Uh, actually men are not visible from anywhere in a usual orbit circle

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

I won't dispute that.

But in Darwin's case -- as in Nimrod's -- he ended up using his talents against God.

Making new discoveries in science is not using one's talents against God. Rather, saying false things about reality such as denying God's use of evolution is using one's talents against God.

 

[AV1611VET]

Making new discoveries in science is not using one's talents against God.

That's right.

God gives us scientists to find what He hid in nature.

Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

That's right.

God gives us scientists to find what He hid in nature.

Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

Yes, but they keep refusing to search out that truth hidden from the beginning.

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, but they keep refusing to search out that truth hidden from the beginning.

Unfortunately, yes.

And some end up becoming atheists.

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise,* they became fools,

* Homo sapiens = wise man

And look what Paul says they go on to do:

Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Unfortunately, yes.

And some end up becoming atheists.

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise,* they became fools,

* Homo sapiens = wise man

And look what Paul says they go on to do:

Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Exactly - but their faith in this image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things can never be shaken. They have taken what is clearly evident for those that choose to understand, and twisted it into what has been corrupted. Only when one understands that which was made and what it was made from - can one begin to understand that image we were made in. An image the Word declares no image can be made of.

And how true - for who can make an image of energy - pure mind?