[MOVED] End of the world predictions are a dime a dozen and always wrong. :)

[ron4shua]

Would someone please tell me , what " forever " means and would you please place a date on " it " , forever ?

21to Him be esteem in the assembly by Messiah יהושע unto all generations, for ever and ever. Amĕn.

17Yisra’ĕl shall be saved by יהוה with an everlasting deliverance. You are not to be ashamed nor hurt, forever and ever.


20And to our Elohim and Father be esteem forever and ever. Amĕn.



11He has made it all, pretty in its time. Even the ages He has put in their hearts, except that no one finds out the work that Elohim does from beginning to end.



18‘Then the set-apart ones of the Most High shall receive the reign, and possess the reign forever, even forever and ever.’



24but He, because He remains forever, has an unchangeable priesthood.



25Therefore He is also able to save completely those who draw near to Elohim through Him, ever living to make intercession for them.





2because of the truth which stays in us and shall be with us forever:



7Of the increase of His rule and peace there is no end, upon the throne of Dawiḏ and over His reigna, to establish it and sustain it with right-ruling and with righteousness from now on, even forever. The ardour of יהוה of hosts does this.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Would someone please tell me , what " forever " means and would you please place a date on " it " , forever ?

Forever defies time...you can't put a "date" on it.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Forever defies time...you can't put a "date" on it.

Yes! (Now) is the closest time to eternity (forever).

 

[interpreter]

How convenient. Surely you could have started your own website with these "predictions" if they were so accurate and important. But you didn't. Do you understand why myself and anyone else has absolutely no reason to believe any of this? You're making extraordinary claims and back peddling into "Oh but they got deleted, so you can't see them". I'll just go with you're being incredibly dishonest. Not everyone is as gullible as you wish they were bud.

LOL. You can see my predictions in "2014 in Bible Prophecy" which are identical to the predictions I made for 2015.

 

[interpreter]

Isis now controls the dams on the Euphrates river. They can dry up the river anytime they want. Actually no one tried to stop them, there was no fight, they just went in and took control.

LOL. The Euphrates is only dried up once. The lower 50 miles of the Euphates was dry for 9 years, dried up by Saddam Hussein to prepare the way for the kings of the east as prophesied. He did it with a couple dams and a diversion canal that he named "The Mother of All Battles River." The Battle of Ar Mageddon indeed began when the Euphrates was dry, on 9/11, and is now escalating. The US, the 4th horseman to rule the earth for Jesus, is currently dropping 100-pound "hailstones" on the latest face of the 7th head of Satan.

 

[Strong in Him]

Really?

Genesis 7:4
For after seven more days I will cause it to rain on the earth forty days and forty nights, and I will destroy from the face of the earth all living things that I have made.”

Looks like God did indeed set and reveal the EXACT date of the flood.

Yes - and I can't remember now why I wrote what I did.

I think I meant That Noah would have taken a long time to build the ark, and even after it was finished, the rain fell for a number of days, giving people time to repent and see what was going on - rather than Noah saying, "the end will come suddenly on this date."

 

[Strong in Him]

Interesting ... why do you pick the ascension as the event that marks the beginning of the last days? Why not the Birth of Christ? or even the conception? or perhaps the Baptism of Jesus?

Because I don't know much about eschatology, I tend to think of "end days" as being Jesus' return and the events afterwards - if there are any. This was what I was meaning here, and he could not return to earth before he had gone back into heaven; hence the ascension.

 

[parousia70]

Because I don't know much about eschatology, I tend to think of "end days" as being Jesus' return and the events afterwards - if there are any. This was what I was meaning here, and he could not return to earth before he had gone back into heaven; hence the ascension.

Ok Fair Enough.
However, In case you'd like to adopt the scriptural view, The Bible does testify that the Last Days were already underway during Christs 1st Advent and Earthly Ministry.
Hebrews 1:1-2
1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;

 

[joshua 1 9]

Hmmmm......What part of the discourse do you believe He answered question #1?

Also, what age do you believe the disciples were asking about the end of?

I know that this is the church age or the time of the gentiles. The disciples did not understand that. In fact is was a big surprise to them that the gentiles could receive the Holy Spirit of God and be saved. So the end comes when the fullness of gentiles comes in at the end of the age.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

I know that this is the church age or the time of the gentiles. The disciples did not understand that. In fact is was a big surprise to them that the gentiles could receive the Holy Spirit of God and be saved. So the end comes when the fullness of gentiles comes in at the end of the age.

A lot of people think end of the age is the same as end of the world. For that reason, there are so many who cannot understand that since Israel is rising again, the time of the gentile age is ending right now.

 

[parousia70]

I know that this is the church age or the time of the gentiles.

When do you say the Church age began?
Before or after the Gentile inclusion?
Before or after the Crucifixion?

The Church was EXCLUSIVELY Jewish for its first few years, was it not?

The disciples did not understand that.

Wait... you believe the Disciples were asking Jesus about the end of an age they had NO IDEA was even going to happen in the first place??

How is it that one can ask about an end of something one has no idea is even going to happen in the first place?

I think you've got your cart before your horse here....

I also noticed you didn't answer my question about the temple...

What part of Matt 24 did Jesus answer the disciples question about WHEN the temple would be destroyed?

 

[parousia70]

A lot of people think end of the age is the same as end of the world. For that reason, there are so many who cannot understand that since Israel is rising again, the time of the gentile age is ending right now.

Gentile Age? The AGE of the EVERLASTING Gospel is Ending?
Where is that found in Scripture?

Today's Israel is not the re constitution of the pre desolation Israel.

It's Secular, Democratic & Multi Ethnic.

For it to be the re constitution or continuation of the pre desolation Nation it would need to be a Hebrew Theocracy.

Today's Israel has ZERO relationship to the pre desolation Hebrew Theocracy.
Not Genetically, not religiously, not politically.

Israel is: King Jesus Christ and his JEWISH followers, with Gentiles Grafted in as "Fellow Citizens".

Israel is NOT: Christ Rejectors of ANY stripe.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Gentile Age? The AGE of the EVERLASTING Gospel is Ending?
Where is that found in Scripture?

Today's Israel is not the re constitution of the pre desolation Israel.

It's Secular, Democratic & Multi Ethnic.

For it to be the re constitution or continuation of the pre desolation Nation it would need to be a Hebrew Theocracy.

Today's Israel has ZERO relationship to the pre desolation Hebrew Theocracy.
Not Genetically, not religiously, not politically.

Israel is: King Jesus Christ and his JEWISH followers, with Gentiles Grafted in as "Fellow Citizens".

Israel is NOT: Christ Rejectors of ANY stripe.

Wow! Well we know NOW what you think about the nation of Israel don't we. Reading your post, I though you were having a stroke or something. Take it easy man.

What do you think Apostle Paul means by this scripture?
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

 

[parousia70]

Wow! Well we know NOW what you think about the nation of Israel don't we.

Do you?

Tell me what I stated about today's Secular Democratic nation of Israel that you believe is incorrect?

Reading your post, I though you were having a stroke or something. Take it easy man.

Oh, I'm easy, I'm Easy like Sunday Morning Sister... fear not for me

What do you think Apostle Paul means by this scripture?
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

The "fullness" mentioned in Romans 11:25 is the same "fullness" as mentioned in Romans 11:12, John 1:16, Colossians 1:19, Romans 15:29, and Ephesians 1:22-23. It is the fullness of the covenantal inheritance in Christ which came to the gentiles when they were included as co-heirs in the blessing of Abraham and his seed, Jesus.

By comparing "fullness" (Greek: "pleroma" - Strong's #4138) in Romans 11:25 to its parallel usage in Romans 11:11-12, we see that the term speaks of the "riches" and "salvation" that came to the gentile world through Christ. These riches came to the gentiles via the "diminishing" of some Jews that were blinded during Christ's incarnational ministry but that would later convert in order to obtain "fullness" (Rom 11:11-12,14-23) -- i.e., the fullness of being in the blessing of Abraham and Christ (Gal 3:7-9,14-17,26-29). Paul was one of these such Jews whose initial blindness had been converted (Rom 11:1; 1 Tim 1:12-16), and there were many more at that then-present time which would be converted like him (Rom 11:5; 2 Cor 3:14-16). These first-century Jews were called a "remnant," and, according to Paul, were like the few faithful believers in Israel during the time of apostasy under Isaiah and also Elijah (Rom 11:5; cf. Rom 11:1-5; 9:27-29). The meaning of "fullness" in Romans 11:25 becomes plain from looking at Romans 11:11-12:

I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fullness? (Rom 11:11-12)

In this passage "fullness" is the opposite reality to the "fall" and "diminishing" of some Jews in their day. Furthermore, "fall" and "diminishing" clearly mean the falling away from God's covenant; "fullness" means the riches and salvation which come from being in covenant with Christ (see also: Rom 11:14-23).

Fulness in the NT is a QUALITY, not a QUANTITY.

The gentiles obtained this quality of "fullness" (covenantal inheritance, salvation, and blessing) during St. Paul's ministry. In fact, Paul's entire ministry goal was to deliver this inheritance to the gentile populations (Acts 26:16-23; 20:32; 13:47; Rom 15:16,29; Eph 3:1-10; Rom 11:13; 2 Tim 1:11). Paul accomplished this mystery of God for the gentiles to become co-heirs with the Jews in Christ's New Covenant riches by the end of his lifetime (compare Acts 13:47/26:16-23/Eph 3:1-10 to 2 Tim 4:7,17). The Church is not still waiting for the gentiles to be offered up and approved by God (Rom 15:16) that they might obtain the fullness of inheritance and riches in Christ.

The fullness of the gentiles came in no later than the completion of Paul's ministry.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Do you?

Tell me what I stated about today's Secular Democratic nation of Israel that you believe is incorrect?


Oh, I'm easy, I'm Easy like Sunday Morning Sister... fear not for me



The "fullness" mentioned in Romans 11:25 is the same "fullness" as mentioned in Romans 11:12, John 1:16, Colossians 1:19, Romans 15:29, and Ephesians 1:22-23. It is the fullness of the covenantal inheritance in Christ which came to the gentiles when they were included as co-heirs in the blessing of Abraham and his seed, Jesus.

By comparing "fullness" (Greek: "pleroma" - Strong's #4138) in Romans 11:25 to its parallel usage in Romans 11:11-12, we see that the term speaks of the "riches" and "salvation" that came to the gentile world through Christ. These riches came to the gentiles via the "diminishing" of some Jews that were blinded during Christ's incarnational ministry but that would later convert in order to obtain "fullness" (Rom 11:11-12,14-23) -- i.e., the fullness of being in the blessing of Abraham and Christ (Gal 3:7-9,14-17,26-29). Paul was one of these such Jews whose initial blindness had been converted (Rom 11:1; 1 Tim 1:12-16), and there were many more at that then-present time which would be converted like him (Rom 11:5; 2 Cor 3:14-16). These first-century Jews were called a "remnant," and, according to Paul, were like the few faithful believers in Israel during the time of apostasy under Isaiah and also Elijah (Rom 11:5; cf. Rom 11:1-5; 9:27-29). The meaning of "fullness" in Romans 11:25 becomes plain from looking at Romans 11:11-12:

I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fullness? (Rom 11:11-12)

In this passage "fullness" is the opposite reality to the "fall" and "diminishing" of some Jews in their day. Furthermore, "fall" and "diminishing" clearly mean the falling away from God's covenant; "fullness" means the riches and salvation which come from being in covenant with Christ (see also: Rom 11:14-23).

Fulness in the NT is a QUALITY, not a QUANTITY.

The gentiles obtained this quality of "fullness" (covenantal inheritance, salvation, and blessing) during St. Paul's ministry. In fact, Paul's entire ministry goal was to deliver this inheritance to the gentile populations (Acts 26:16-23; 20:32; 13:47; Rom 15:16,29; Eph 3:1-10; Rom 11:13; 2 Tim 1:11). Paul accomplished this mystery of God for the gentiles to become co-heirs with the Jews in Christ's New Covenant riches by the end of his lifetime (compare Acts 13:47/26:16-23/Eph 3:1-10 to 2 Tim 4:7,17). The Church is not still waiting for the gentiles to be offered up and approved by God (Rom 15:16) that they might obtain the fullness of inheritance and riches in Christ.

The fullness of the gentiles came in no later than the completion of Paul's ministry.

OK thanks.

 

[parousia70]

OK thanks.

Any time.

 

[joshua 1 9]

When do you say the Church age began?
Before or after the Gentile inclusion?
Before or after the Crucifixion?

The Church began on the day of Pentecost. That is 50 days after the Passover when Jesus died on the cross and was resurrected on the third day. I believe the year was 29 AD. Peter was preaching that day and at first Peter did not understand that the gentiles could be saved. Even then his ministry was mostly to the Hebrews and Paul ministered to the gentiles. Peter and Paul had a dispute about it at one time.

Paul Confronts Peter
…12For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision. 13The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy.14But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, "If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?…

The Church was EXCLUSIVELY Jewish for its first few years, was it not?

In acts 10 Peter was trying to figure out the meaning of his vision when the men showed up to help him understand. "Now while Peter was greatly perplexed in mind as to what the vision which he had seen might be, behold, the men who had been sent by Cornelius, having asked directions for Simon's house, appeared at the gate"

I consider Pentecost to be the beginning of the church age also known as the time of the gentiles. It was about 40 years when in 70 AD the temple was tore down and the Hebrew Nation was scattered to the nations. They did not regain control over the city until the 6 day war in 1967 around 50 years ago. So I am trying to figure out what is going to happen now that we are getting close to the 50 year jubilee again. That is a time of restoration. We are close to the end of the church age and the time of the gentiles is almost over.

How is it that one can ask about an end of something one has no idea is even going to happen in the first place?

I want to study what the Jewish people believe and were teaching about the resurrection back then. I just have not had time to get into it yet. Usually they say the Pharisees believed in the resurrection and the Sadducee did not. Of course the joke always is that is why they were so sad U C because they did not believe.

I also noticed you didn't answer my question about the temple...

What part of Matt 24 did Jesus answer the disciples question about WHEN the temple would be destroyed?

I thought the whole point of this whole thread was the Jesus told them that no one knew when the temple would be destroyed.

"Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"

"This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

He told them that their generation would see the temple destroyed. But He did not tell them that it was going to be destroyed in 70 AD. Now we know it was 40 years after Pentecost and the start of the Church age.

 

[stephen583]

Whenever someone is talking about living in the end times or give a specific dates I ask them if they are willing to sign over all of their assets to me. This usually makes it clear how much they actually believe what they are saying.

The predictions (prophecies) made by Jesus about the End Times, as well as all the other prophets of the Bible and the Apostles, included in the Word of God will be completely fulfilled word for word, to the letter. Now. Are you willing to sign over all your assets to GOD if you're wrong ?!

 

[eclipsenow]

The predictions (prophecies) made by Jesus about the End Times, as well as all the other prophets of the Bible and the Apostles, included in the Word of God will be completely fulfilled word for word, to the letter. Now.

I'm just trying to comprehend what you mean by 'now'. Are you saying this is the End Times right now? (As an Amil, I think we've been in them since Acts 2).

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

Now. Are you willing to sign over all your assets to GOD if you're wrong ?!

I'm not intimidated by childish threats.
This is Pascal's wager too.