Why I'm Anti-Theistic

[Davian]

Look into the life of Jesus Christ in the gospels. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

Do you hear voices?

 

[Tree of Life]

Belief.

Does your theology hold individuals responsible for things outside of their control, such as belief?

I'm not sure that belief is entirely outside of our control. It's more complicated than "we choose all our beliefs" or "all our beliefs are entirely outside of our control".

 

[Ana the Ist]

You do know there is a forum for formal debate, correct?

It doesn't allow apologetics either, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[anonymous person]

Do you hear voices?

The voice of my conscience, yes.

 

[anonymous person]

How circular. It's only "His correspondence" when you believe it is "His correspondence".

No. The Bible is God's word or it isnt. If It is, it is even if you don't believe it is.

 

[Davian]

I'm not sure that belief is entirely outside of our control.

I suppose I could submit myself to being tortured, or drug therapy, or hypnosis, or a good bonk on the head, and with the right conditioning find myself believing that gods, perhaps yours in particular, were real, but I would consider that outside of typical "conscious control" - what others might consider holding me responsible for, such as in a court of law.

It's more complicated than "we choose all our beliefs" or "all our beliefs are entirely outside of our control".

I don't disagree. However, it does appear that your theology is built on this [faulty] premise that we can consciously decide to believe, in a manner that we can be held responsible for.

Is this accurate? Does your theology actually hold individuals responsible for things outside of their control?

 

[Davian]

The voice of my conscience, yes.

Different goalposts.

 

[Davian]

No. The Bible is God's word or it isnt. If It is, it is even if you don't believe it is.

And if it isn't, it isn't even if you beleive it to be so.

The circular part is when you confirmed for yourself that [the Bible] is "His correspondence" by referencing "His correspondence".

Circular Reasoning Works Because Circular Reasoning Works

• Davian
• Jun 25, 2015

 

[bhsmte]

And if it isn't, it isn't even if you beleive it to be so.

The circular part is when you confirmed for yourself that [the Bible] is "His correspondence" by referencing "His correspondence".

Circular Reasoning Works Because Circular Reasoning Works

• Davian
• Jun 25, 2015

I can confirm, that is circular reasoning.

 

[Davian]

They are judged both in this life and when they stand before Christ.

A long life is not necessarily a life void of God's judgment.

A "healthy" life is not necessarily a life void of God's judgment.

In another thread, you said "God is responsible for sending people to hell the same way a judge is responsible for sending a criminal to jail."

It is my understanding that the criminal justice system does try to establish that the accused can be held responsible for the crime for which they are charged. Would you agree?

 

[Willis Gravning]

All sins can be forgiven, if you just believe. The only sin that cannot be forgiven is nonbelief. Apparently that sin is worse than all the others combined.

I think nonbelief is forgiveable. One of the twelve was a skeptic.

 

[Tree of Life]

I don't disagree. However, it does appear that your theology is built on this [faulty] premise that we can consciously decide to believe, in a manner that we can be held responsible for.

Is this accurate? Does your theology actually hold individuals responsible for things outside of their control?

My theology would say a few things:

1. All people know God. They know that he exists and that they owe him recognition and allegiance. All are without excuse in this regard.
2. All people resist acknowledging God.
3. Only by God's grace can we come to a positive awareness of God and a trust in him. Apart from his grace we must ignore him because his reality is terrible to us.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

My theology would say a few things:

1. All people know God. They know that he exists and that they owe him recognition and allegiance. All are without excuse in this regard.
2. All people resist acknowledging God.
3. Only by God's grace can we come to a positive awareness of God and a trust in him. Apart from his grace we must ignore him because his reality is terrible to us.

Could it be that your theology is wrong?

 

[Eudaimonist]

My theology would say a few things:

1. All people know God. They know that he exists and that they owe him recognition and allegiance. All are without excuse in this regard.

That one is a real head-scratcher. I don't know any of that.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Eudaimonist]

The voice of my conscience, yes.

When I experience my conscience, it is a feeling, not something internally audible like a mental voice.

When you experience your conscience, is it a voice or just a feeling?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[anonymous person]

Could it be that your theology is wrong?

God cannot lie. So no.

 

[anonymous person]

When I experience my conscience, it is a feeling, not something internally audible like a mental voice.

When you experience your conscience, is it a voice or just a feeling?


eudaimonia,

Mark

Both.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

God cannot lie. So no.

But you can be wrong about god, no?

 

[FireDragon76]

Sorry, but you still sound angry, with an axe to grind against people.

 

[bhsmte]

God cannot lie. So no.

And your perceptions about things like God are infallible?