[PERMANENTLY CLOSED]Sex change?

[Crowns&Laurels]

Personal belief? Based on what? Supposition? Personal preference? Please show me a single serious scientific study which even slightly suggests anything remotely similar to your "personal belief".

Show me a 'serious scientific study' that is actually conclusive and empirical.
There are such a thing as psychologists who haven't been sucked in by the agenda. You act like it's been proven as true as the sky is blue, when all of it can be pretty much assumed as one's experience vs preference over any conclusion proposing it as innate.
The very fact that you say a kid who hasn't even undergone puberty or understands the hormones and feelings that come of it somehow 'knows' their gender says it all.

If you want my opinion, I think you get by on these forums because you, yourself are a transgender and nobody here can tell you or reveal that they think you are dishonest in your testimony. That would be against the rules, so what you say stands without much push back.
Which is a conflict of interest.

 

[katerinah1947]

Hi,

Last Friday an emergency transpired. A Trangender woman emailed me. In my reponses to her I told her about the types of resources she should be using. As usual I went full on in emergency mode, never realizing that.

Soon I was in my car for her, checking out a type of resouce. It is a trangender womans meeting, and there were about 24 of them there, in varying states of transition.

I arrive late, and being a researcher, mystical, in a mystical marriage with God The Father and some other things such as very PTSD, from Sociopaths, Narcissists, Drug Addicts, Alcoholics, Thiefs, Criminals, ROTC trained marksman with two small bore trophies, and an armed robber all experienced over a period of 55 years, of my life so far, I sort of stood out, without trying to.

Now, this finally happened with a very hurt, Gender fluid individual, who is also Atheistic. That person was so upset at being called things like deluded, that as the talks continued I finally had enough information to say something to her, that is documented and proven.

"I work with a lot of Sociopaths, Narcissists, Criminals, and working in very sensitive areas. I have a hundred and forty man years of working with them. That means I have the experience of working with 140 of them for a whole year., or man years means I have worked with 7 of them for 20 years each.

The woman over there and I have similar experiences when I tell Christians and others about my being transgendered. It is one of interest to compassion. And when I work with the Sociopaths and those others, one of which had killed also, they are they only types that say bad things about me or others being Transgendered.

So for you, all those people who are putting you down, are the Narcissists, Sociopaths, Criminals, Alchoholics, Drug Addicts and their types. All the rest are interested, or helpful, or just thinking it is no big deal."

I looked directly at this person who was feeling so bad that night. Yes, many other things they learned from my completed research projects also. As the evening wore on, I was able to look at that person again. They were calm, for the first time that night.

I am hoping, like here, when you hear others not listen, not be grapes of God, thus hurting no one verbally like thorns do, or figs of God, thus not hurting others verbally or physically as briars do, that not like Christians who know what a wolf in sheeps clothing is, but rather by the same method of not being nice, that he now knows how to handle those types.

It is to stay away from them, and that came from the sister of the second worst sociopath I have ever worked with on my assigned duties.

Biblically in Matthew 7:15-16, it is to beware of them. Proverbs 9 also has words about them, and some advice, but it also says to put them down in other places in Proverbs, otherwise they seem to think they are wise.

In general it is the reading of Proverbs that helps me with the Narcissist...... groupies. And for some reason the Narcissistic types, generally called a form of Personality Disorder by the DSM V, manual, do not care what the facts are.

And I am vastly too tired to go on now.

LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

 

[mmksparbud]

Show me a 'serious scientific study' that is actually conclusive and empirical.
There are such a thing as psychologists who haven't been sucked in by the agenda. You act like it's been proven as true as the sky is blue, when all of it can be pretty much assumed as one's experience vs preference over any conclusion proposing it as innate.
The very fact that you say a kid who hasn't even undergone puberty or understands the hormones and feelings that come of it somehow 'knows' their gender says it all.

If you want my opinion, I think you get by on these forums because you, yourself are a transgender and nobody here can tell you or reveal that they think you are dishonest in your testimony. That would be against the rules, so what you say stands without much push back.
Which is a conflict of interest.

HHHmmmm----she very openly states she is transgender all over this forum and on a post directly to you---then you say you "deduced" from her writings that she is transgender?!! You "deduced" the obvious?! Regular Sherlock, ain't ya! If you want my opinion----
"nobody here can tell you or reveal that they think you are dishonest in your testimony. That would be against the rules, so what you say stands without much push back."

 

[razzelflabben]

That is strange--I have not had he same experience with them. I was a dialysis tech for 20 years, and actually dialyzed several of them, and there were others that were friends of dialysis patients. It was interesting to talk to them. And when you have 4-5 hours to spend in a room with someone--you end up talking about a lot of stuff, if they are so inclined. The ones I met had already transitioned and they were very much at peace--and they felt at peace for the first time in their lives. The ones that had not yet done it, were the ones that were not at peace as they were still not living as they needed to.

let me tell you a story....we lived in inner city, in a run down house that was literally falling apart for 16 years. there were lots of problems with it, to list a few, we are not city people, I have health issues that made living there a destruction of my health, our children, especially one son was angry about the whole thing and lashing out, we lived there not only because of poverty (even though we were working long hard hours) but because of oppression (long story). In addition to all of that, the city was on our case all the time because of a neighbor who wanted to cause problems for everyone in the neighborhood, which is another very long story. The list of problems can go on and on. the challenge for us, was to learn to be content where we were. Now, as I have said and some here (including you from this post) don't seem to get is that contentment doesn't mean you are happy with where you are, but rather that you are there for a reason and that reason, when in the hands of God will be good. In the midst of our home, trying to kill us both literally and figuratively, we learned to be content. We learned that in the hands of God even this was a blessing. We still wanted to move, and eventually we did, but contentment had to come first.

So, let's apply this to what I said. Until or unless you learn to be content (again, not necessarily resigning yourself to the conflict but rather trusting God and learning to be satisfied in the midst of the struggle, that is peaceful no matter the circumstances) you really don't have a basis for knowing what exactly will help. You might stumble upon something that will help, but your decisions will be emotionally based and emotions can lie. As to your testimony here, they haven't learned contentment and thus, any change cannot be permanent relief, because it is only the worlds idea of peace not God's.

So, let's finish the story. 16 years later, God moved us out of the city into the country, wow, what a blessing! We already lost one child to death (a child that swore he would become rich so he could move us) 2 others are being defiant and still taking out their frustrations on themselves, and I am still having severe health issues, some of which are worse because the country doesn't eliminate the problems it only makes the problems more tolerable.

You see, contentment is a necessary part of our walk with God. Yet I have yet to meet a transgender who was content. In fact, even on this board, I have met transgenders who claimed to be content but were some of the most angry and hostile people I every ran across if you say anything other than...."your a god for being a transgender" and no I am NOT talking about being evil when it comes to transgender topics, I am talking about not raising them to some god like status. Many homosexuals are also that way, though some I have known and do know are at least learning contentment. contentment doesn't mean that things don't need to change, rather it means that we trust God to bring about good no matter the situation I find myself in, that peace like the world cannot understand is mine, even in the most difficult of situations. Even you in this paragraph, testify that this contentment isn't found in the transgenders you know. Rather, contentment is found in surgeries and hormones and change. This, from God's standpoint only leads to more heartache down the road. Personally, I would rather have one day of contentment in the city that was destroying my health, then years in the country that offers only an illusion of peace and comfort and I say that, having experienced both. The real question though, is why everyone on this topic, seems afraid of contentment?

One, in particular, stood out. She was drop dead gorgeous. Philipino, almost 6 feet tall, with that long, beautiful black hair. She made me feel almost unfeminine. I've never met one that was a caricature in voice or mannerisms. These were definitely not drag queens. I met many people of all different faiths, and most, actually, no faith. The transgender is no different.

now, we need to talk about this a moment....I never suggested the transgender was any different than anyone else, in fact, I pointed out that there are other groups of people that show this same discontented characteristic. People by and large are afraid that contentment means to just stop looking for something better, when in reality it means that we are living in something better, something that is constantly growing into something better. I am a bit offended, not only that you made this claim as if I thought anything different but also that you would take my comments to turn this into a discussion about surgery and hormones. Surgery and hormones have absolutely nothing at all to do with my comments about being discontent and it offends me when people like you try to twist it into that, as if the only thing that identifies a transgender person is their sexual organs...from where I sit, that is just disgusting, disturbing and a vial way of looking at people, to always reduce them to the sexual organs that they possess. Sorry to be so blunt, but if I ever reduce someone to their sexual organs and nothing more as you are doing here, I hope someone takes me out and beats me, cause that is just nauseating.

The ones with no faith, I assume, will never be fully content simply because---to someone of faith, people are always looking for something they don't quite understand what--and it is, we think, God. God puts in us a desire to know Him that when we rebel against it, leaves a hole. Though there are those that have left him so far behind, that they have overridden that.

I am speaking of even transgenders who proclaim God to be their Lord and King.

At one point I had walked away from God--wanted nothing to do with Him and told Him so. I was quite happy without Him. I felt no need of Him in any way. Only when my world started to fall apart did I realize, I really did not want to be without Him anymore. You might say, unhappiness drove me back to Him, but there are many that handle their unhappiness without Him, and I guess I could have to. I just no longer wanted to. I had been angry at Him and now that anger was mostly gone with the realization that all my childhood traumas were not His fault but the fault of those who led their lives without Him. So I came back. But I had not been discontented with my life without Him. I saw that there was a peace with Him I hadn't had, but was not able to discern the lack of peace before. Transgender or not, no one can be fully at peace without Him--but they may not see that until something makes you take a second look at Him.

and....your point as it applies to my comments would be?

 

[razzelflabben]

So I recently looked at a video about this boy who is convinced he is a girl. His parents have accepted it, and he is interested in estrogen regimens to further the agenda, which has been allowed by the parents and the physician.

What I find most disturbing about this is that he is 11 years old. Since when did children have the ability to make such decisions, when society declares that they aren't even old enough to make a mature, reasonable decision to have sex?
We have statutory laws on that, but not on the matter of the boy wanting a sex change.

This is how deluded the whole matter of the transgender agenda is, and serves as an example of how it's not a matter of science or something innate, it is a fanaticism.
And it is completely irresponsible for a parent to not have their child at least grow up first, and experience the first stages of their life, before they decide they want a sex change.

this goes along with what I said about learning to be content with who you are before deciding whether or not to have surgery or hormones.

 

[razzelflabben]

There is a point to this. However, at the same time, every transgender I know of, has been this way from the very earliest of stages, before they even realize there is a difference they tend toward behavior of the opposite sex.

okay, this brings up another issue I have with this topic. As my son reminds me all the time, having behaviors of the opposite sex is gender based, sexual organs are something totally different. IOW's a man can be femininent without being a female trapped in a male body and vise versa. Gender and sex are not the same thing and in fact, what you describe here is gender but when we talk about sex change, we are changing the topic to sexual organs. One is not reliant on the other. Now, I am not suggesting that there is not a reason for sex change operations, but what I am questioning is how you or anyone else wants us to believe that gender issues are the same as sex issues when people live happy and content lives with different gender characteristics all the time. One of the most common and well loved of which is often called a "tom boy"...meaning, a girl with boy behaviors.

My friends daughter exhibited it from the age of 2. Her mother said nothing, but knew there was a problem, she just lead the girl into more appropriate behavior. She treated her more "female" than her other daughter, who was, by the way, a tomboy, but not male like in actions and thought.

that is what tom boy means, maybe you are confusing tom boy with masculinity....as in she is developing facial hair and upper body strength.

Strangely enough, she did not try to feminize the tomboy. She was very girlie in other areas except sports. At the age of 16 the girl came to her mother in tears and told her how miserable she had been her whole life. She had said nothing, but there had been a growing uneasiness and anger in her. She told her mother about the years of struggling in her mind and how, from the earliest she could remember, she felt she was a girl, and now thinks she must be gay.

question....how do we know that the anger was not because her mother tried to make her something she wasn't rather than allowing her to be who she was and in that, learn to be content. Previously I talked about all the variables, here is another one, we have a variable that the transgender community wants to pretend isn't there. Look, I'm not saying there isn't such a thing as transgender, nor am I suggesting there isn't a reason for sex change, what I am saying is, let's have an honest discussion with all the questions on the table rather than just pretend that the questions don't exist.

The child was in a horrible state of pain and confusion. During the years the mother had secretly read up on transgenders, never discussed it with her husband or daughter, though. This had not come as a surprise to her, but the father went ballistic and wanted her out of the house. The marriage did not last, the mother stood by her child and the child finally realized she was not gay, she was just female and transgendered. Her mother wishes she had followed her instincts and done more talking about it to her, now, son. She had thought all those early years, she could change her daughter into being more female, by trying to make her dress more feminine and doing more "girl" things--she wished she'd asked the child instead, what she wanted. She would have grown up with a whole lot less unhappiness. The son, also wishes she had followed her instincts. In the meantime---the father has missed out on having a son.

so, you say that there is a difference between male characteristics here and being tom boy...please specify what those differences are so that parents can be on the look out for transgender tendencies in their children....see, if we are having a honest discussion, that would be something we have to talk about....how to identify transgender tendencies in very young children and how they differ from your standard everyday opposite gender characteristics like effeminate males and tom boy females.

 

[razzelflabben]

I have NEVER seen any minor under the age of 16 being prescribed hormones, except one in Germany by the name of Kim Petras. And it took two years of numerous professionals confirming to a judge that she should be allowed. In the US, it just isn't done. What IS done is the prescribing of hormone BLOCKERS. The exact opposite of what you are claiming. All they do is postpone puberty. They do not prevent anything permanently. Nor do they do any damage. And they most definitely do NOT further anything transitional whatsoever. They simply postpone permanent bodily changes until the person is of an age to legally consent. If, upon reaching that age, the patient decides to not transition, the blockers are removed and puberty proceeds normally.

So, those things which you say you find "disturbing" don't happen at all.

according to the media they do

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

this goes along with what I said about learning to be content with who you are before deciding whether or not to have surgery or hormones.

I just find it ridiculous to see an 11 year old boy wear makeup, be overly concerned about his appearance, and talk about how he wants breasts. Yes, that was actually in the video I spoke on earlier as well.

An 11 year old girl doesn't need to be thinking about any of these things, so what's with the boy? That's the point to be made- that's what the agenda is doing.

 

[katerinah1947]

Show me a 'serious scientific study' that is actually conclusive and empirical.
There are such a thing as psychologists who haven't been sucked in by the agenda. You act like it's been proven as true as the sky is blue, when all of it can be pretty much assumed as one's experience vs preference over any conclusion proposing it as innate.
The very fact that you say a kid who hasn't even undergone puberty or understands the hormones and feelings that come of it somehow 'knows' their gender says it all.

If you want my opinion, I think you get by on these forums because you, yourself are a transgender and nobody here can tell you or reveal that they think you are dishonest in your testimony. That would be against the rules, so what you say stands without much push back.
Which is a conflict of interest.

Hi,
Your proof. Please Read Genesis 1:28 to familiarize yourself with what God has to say about science.
Please also review Romans 13:1-5 to familiarize yourself with what God says about Government Laws and Christians.
Please if you don't already know, familiarize yourself Genesis 9:1, and Genesis 1:28, and Genesis 11:1-9, to start and see how a Blessing by God is also a Command.

The Tower of Babel
11 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As people moved eastward,[a]they found a plain in Shinar[b] and settled there.

3 They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”

5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."
8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel[c]—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.
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Notice how in Genesis 11:8-9, How God said He scattered them over the earth twice. It is becuase a Blessing by God is also a Command of God.

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Now, using Genesis 1:28 and therefore Science; and using Romans 13:1-5 and therefore God Laws as given to the Christians and the non Christians also; This is what the Government has to say when it was asked to look again, into thier decisions on treating the Transgender with Surgery, rather than just with hormones and Therapy:

http://www.hhs.gov/dab/decisions/dabdecisions/dab2576.pdf

Many proofs are in there, in their reference section, for what they used, to make this current decision in May of 2014.

LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

 

[katerinah1947]

Hi Everyone, both those who are comfortable with me, and those who are not,

Private Revelations do not compel anyone other than the person receiving them, to believe in them, according to Roman Catholicism. I think they are right. In any event, this I do not challenge, and I put it forth to everyone I meet.

Today while talking, (One of the only ways I learn), to a possible candidate for the priesthood my private revelation that was affirmed by The Holy Spirit in the testing phase by a person in The Roman Catholic Church that is called a Spiritual Director, came up.

It came up in response to my being transgendered. I am a Transgender female as most of you know.

He was concerned. Catholics in general do not know that the Catholic Church allows the transgendered, if it is severe enough, to have the medical community help them to be less in agony.

In my case, being transgender, I am of a subset of the transgender, I am transexual. That is the most extreme form of being Transgendred. So, the Catholic Church is actually okay, with the medical community relieving my agony. Yet, still that is not understood, by most Catholics.

In that Private Revelation from God, in which no Catholic is required to believe, except that Spritual Dirictor, me, and apparently anyone who reads the results of that testing done by the Spiritual Director, the transgender issue is there.

The issue is a little complicated. Reduced it is God The Father, treated me in a way, that can only be done to a girl. I in fact responded internally as a girl, and the final results are I live like a female, in full light of that Communication.

Further, I was prepared for roughly two years or more, to understand that question, that was put to me in Male form to me, with God The Father fully Present before during and until I answerd the question.

And that time God The Father did not speak to me, as He had done a year before. He had someone else speak to me. OH. I understood the question. I understood it totally. As I said, I was prepared for at least two years to understand that single question.

He, the possible priest to be, asked me to consider how God thinks of me, and not how I think of myself. He does not know me, so he did not know that is my only view anyway. Nor, did I have to tell him that; nor due to his youngness did I feel it necessasry to burden him with more information than necessary.

Instead, I told him within that Testing, is how God thinks of Transgender with me. It is there. What is in there, is God sees me as female, in a male's body.

For all of you here, I pretty much would be sent to Hell if I did not say that was so. This is why. I was asked why a series of events that took place in my life, was being presented to a Spiritual Director, to see if all of this was God or not.

I replied then, in April of 2008. "Because with God, it is too important to get it wrong." The Spiritual Director did not say anything for awhile. Then he started to try and figure out how he could find out if that set of experiences was God or not.

In two months or so, I was able to report in to him. I was not convinced of any answer given to me for this. I then started to speak. He immediately said: "Oh The Timing!" I became frightened. He seemed convinced to me, and I had not finished. However, after essentially disagreeing with him, he said this: "I do this for a living This is The Holy Spirit"

Now, Then, I was bound for eternity by those words, to believe all that I had brought to him, was God.

In that set of events, I was treated totally as a female by God. My body is male. So, I have to accept that God is okay with me being transgendered.

Like with Lourdes, Fatima, and Divine Mercy, no one is compelled to believe in this, but those who were given that private revelation.

LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

 

[mmksparbud]

let me tell you a story....we lived in inner city, in a run down house that was literally falling apart for 16 years. there were lots of problems with it, to list a few, we are not city people, I have health issues that made living there a destruction of my health, our children, especially one son was angry about the whole thing and lashing out, we lived there not only because of poverty (even though we were working long hard hours) but because of oppression (long story). In addition to all of that, the city was on our case all the time because of a neighbor who wanted to cause problems for everyone in the neighborhood, which is another very long story. The list of problems can go on and on. the challenge for us, was to learn to be content where we were. Now, as I have said and some here (including you from this post) don't seem to get is that contentment doesn't mean you are happy with where you are, but rather that you are there for a reason and that reason, when in the hands of God will be good. In the midst of our home, trying to kill us both literally and figuratively, we learned to be content. We learned that in the hands of God even this was a blessing. We still wanted to move, and eventually we did, but contentment had to come first.

So, let's apply this to what I said. Until or unless you learn to be content (again, not necessarily resigning yourself to the conflict but rather trusting God and learning to be satisfied in the midst of the struggle, that is peaceful no matter the circumstances) you really don't have a basis for knowing what exactly will help. You might stumble upon something that will help, but your decisions will be emotionally based and emotions can lie. As to your testimony here, they haven't learned contentment and thus, any change cannot be permanent relief, because it is only the worlds idea of peace not God's.

So, let's finish the story. 16 years later, God moved us out of the city into the country, wow, what a blessing! We already lost one child to death (a child that swore he would become rich so he could move us) 2 others are being defiant and still taking out their frustrations on themselves, and I am still having severe health issues, some of which are worse because the country doesn't eliminate the problems it only makes the problems more tolerable.

You see, contentment is a necessary part of our walk with God. Yet I have yet to meet a transgender who was content. In fact, even on this board, I have met transgenders who claimed to be content but were some of the most angry and hostile people I every ran across if you say anything other than...."your a god for being a transgender" and no I am NOT talking about being evil when it comes to transgender topics, I am talking about not raising them to some god like status. Many homosexuals are also that way, though some I have known and do know are at least learning contentment. contentment doesn't mean that things don't need to change, rather it means that we trust God to bring about good no matter the situation I find myself in, that peace like the world cannot understand is mine, even in the most difficult of situations. Even you in this paragraph, testify that this contentment isn't found in the transgenders you know. Rather, contentment is found in surgeries and hormones and change. This, from God's standpoint only leads to more heartache down the road. Personally, I would rather have one day of contentment in the city that was destroying my health, then years in the country that offers only an illusion of peace and comfort and I say that, having experienced both. The real question though, is why everyone on this topic, seems afraid of contentment? now, we need to talk about this a moment....I never suggested the transgender was any different than anyone else, in fact, I pointed out that there are other groups of people that show this same discontented characteristic. People by and large are afraid that contentment means to just stop looking for something better, when in reality it means that we are living in something better, something that is constantly growing into something better. I am a bit offended, not only that you made this claim as if I thought anything different but also that you would take my comments to turn this into a discussion about surgery and hormones. Surgery and hormones have absolutely nothing at all to do with my comments about being discontent and it offends me when people like you try to twist it into that, as if the only thing that identifies a transgender person is their sexual organs...from where I sit, that is just disgusting, disturbing and a vial way of looking at people, to always reduce them to the sexual organs that they possess. Sorry to be so blunt, but if I ever reduce someone to their sexual organs and nothing more as you are doing here, I hope someone takes me out and beats me, cause that is just nauseating. I am speaking of even transgenders who proclaim God to be their Lord and King. and....your point as it applies to my comments would be?

OK--Something is amiss----do not understand why you keep saying you are offended as--up to a point-- I am not saying that contentment with our selves is not to be sought for--it is what is expected of us according to scripture---whatever state you're in. An maybe it's a matter of degree--don't know. I just know this--those, that I have talked to, who have transgendered, have all been very much more contented with their lives, then before they transgendered. Those that have not transgendered, had been reigned to their lot--simply because they had no choice. I can't debate resignation and contentment --how does one get contentment when you're walking on a nail in your shoe??--If you have no choice you may have to learn to accept the situation and live as best you can with it, perhaps walking as little as possible. But to expect someone to be content with a nail in your shoe is not going to happen. You can limp along with that nail for a long time, but it's just going to be a whole lot better when it's gone. Maybe this is a matter of meaning of words. I am also saying that you cannot expect for those who have no faith in God, to be able to attain to something that can only be achieved through that faith. The atheist, the unbeliever, the believer in another religion all together, is not going to live their lives according to the spiritual knowledge of a believer. The Buddhist has their version of contentment, as does the atheist. Right, or wrong, that is just the way it is. An atheist may be totally lost, but he is still human and in need of compassion for their problems. Is the atheist less deserving of food if he's starving than a believer?? Is the homosexual who is dyeing of Aids any less in need of being helped for his suffering than the straight man who acquired it through a blood transfusion?? Is their spiritual condition going to determine what course of medicine to take? Are those who have not achieved what you perceive as contentment with their lives less worthy of getting an answer to their problem and is that answer going to be any different??
Anyone with a good attitude is going to do better with whatever problem they have, esp a health issue. That is proven. You have 2 people with cancer, the cancer gets cut out, one lives another 10 years, the other dies in 1--the one with the happier state of mind is generally the one that lives the longest. But do you withhold the surgery in the uncontended one until he gets contended?
It is the world that has settled on the sexual organs of these people as the ultimate determinator of their fate--they got a penis, they are male--it is the transgender that is saying not to concentrate on the sexual organs but their mind. Everyone is saying, no, it's the genitals that is the focus. Many of them do not ever have the hormones or the surgery because they can't afford them. They may have to be satisfied with just dressing the part, but they do not look as masculine or feminine as the world requires and are ostracized. The hormones help with the appearance so they can better blend in and be accepted for what they are. The surgeries come on to make the transition more complete, they have mentally eliminated the sexual organ to begin with, now they finally get it removed from sight also. Like that dang nail in your shoe.
I do not have an agenda here, I am expressing what I have found is all. I am not transgender, I am female, have never had a desire to be anything else--well, there were a few times I would have given anything to be a man so I could truly beat the tar out of someone. My point is just that you definition if contentment and theirs, may be different because -- they may not have a God based life to begin with 2- their faith may be different and their idea of peace of mind different than yours. They may bit be as "advanced" as you, but they never the less, need a solution to a problem and are doing it as best they can with the help of the medically knowledgeable. I suppose I have not cleared up anything--but this is the best I can word it. I'm not saying this is right or wrong--I am saying that this is the best they can do with what is available for what they have and that we know very little about how the brain works and may not have all the knowledge that may come later to fix this in a different way.

 

[katerinah1947]

OK--Something is amiss----do not understand why you keep saying you are offended as--up to a point-- I am not saying that contentment with our selves is not to be sought for--it is what is expected of us according to scripture---whatever state you're in. An maybe it's a matter of degree--don't know. I just know this--those, that I have talked to, who have transgendered, have all been very much more contented with their lives, then before they transgendered. Those that have not transgendered, had been reigned to their lot--simply because they had no choice. I can't debate resignation and contentment --how does one get contentment when you're walking on a nail in your shoe??--If you have no choice you may have to learn to accept the situation and live as best you can with it, perhaps walking as little as possible. But to expect someone to be content with a nail in your shoe is not going to happen. You can limp along with that nail for a long time, but it's just going to be a whole lot better when it's gone. Maybe this is a matter of meaning of words. I am also saying that you cannot expect for those who have no faith in God, to be able to attain to something that can only be achieved through that faith. The atheist, the unbeliever, the believer in another religion all together, is not going to live their lives according to the spiritual knowledge of a believer. The Buddhist has their version of contentment, as does the atheist. Right, or wrong, that is just the way it is. An atheist may be totally lost, but he is still human and in need of compassion for their problems. Is the atheist less deserving of food if he's starving than a believer?? Is the homosexual who is dyeing of Aids any less in need of being helped for his suffering than the straight man who acquired it through a blood transfusion?? Is their spiritual condition going to determine what course of medicine to take? Are those who have not achieved what you perceive as contentment with their lives less worthy of getting an answer to their problem and is that answer going to be any different??
Anyone with a good attitude is going to do better with whatever problem they have, esp a health issue. That is proven. You have 2 people with cancer, the cancer gets cut out, one lives another 10 years, the other dies in 1--the one with the happier state of mind is generally the one that lives the longest. But do you withhold the surgery in the uncontended one until he gets contended?
It is the world that has settled on the sexual organs of these people as the ultimate determinator of their fate--they got a penis, they are male--it is the transgender that is saying not to concentrate on the sexual organs but their mind. Everyone is saying, no, it's the genitals that is the focus. Many of them do not ever have the hormones or the surgery because they can't afford them. They may have to be satisfied with just dressing the part, but they do not look as masculine or feminine as the world requires and are ostracized. The hormones help with the appearance so they can better blend in and be accepted for what they are. The surgeries come on to make the transition more complete, they have mentally eliminated the sexual organ to begin with, now they finally get it removed from sight also. Like that dang nail in your shoe.
I do not have an agenda here, I am expressing what I have found is all. I am not transgender, I am female, have never had a desire to be anything else--well, there were a few times I would have given anything to be a man so I could truly beat the tar out of someone. My point is just that you definition if contentment and theirs, may be different because -- they may not have a God based life to begin with 2- their faith may be different and their idea of peace of mind different than yours. They may bit be as "advanced" as you, but they never the less, need a solution to a problem and are doing it as best they can with the help of the medically knowledgeable. I suppose I have not cleared up anything--but this is the best I can word it. I'm not saying this is right or wrong--I am saying that this is the best they can do with what is available for what they have and that we know very little about how the brain works and may not have all the knowledge that may come later to fix this in a different way.

Hi,
Who are you talking to? I hope it is not me. If it is, I don't know how I have given you any ideas that I am offended with myself being transgendered.
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

 

[mmksparbud]

okay, this brings up another issue I have with this topic. As my son reminds me all the time, having behaviors of the opposite sex is gender based, sexual organs are something totally different. IOW's a man can be femininent without being a female trapped in a male body and vise versa. Gender and sex are not the same thing and in fact, what you describe here is gender but when we talk about sex change, we are changing the topic to sexual organs. One is not reliant on the other. Now, I am not suggesting that there is not a reason for sex change operations, but what I am questioning is how you or anyone else wants us to believe that gender issues are the same as sex issues when people live happy and content lives with different gender characteristics all the time. One of the most common and well loved of which is often called a "tom boy"...meaning, a girl with boy behaviors. that is what tom boy means, maybe you are confusing tom boy with masculinity....as in she is developing facial hair and upper body strength. question....how do we know that the anger was not because her mother tried to make her something she wasn't rather than allowing her to be who she was and in that, learn to be content. Previously I talked about all the variables, here is another one, we have a variable that the transgender community wants to pretend isn't there. Look, I'm not saying there isn't such a thing as transgender, nor am I suggesting there isn't a reason for sex change, what I am saying is, let's have an honest discussion with all the questions on the table rather than just pretend that the questions don't exist.
so, you say that there is a difference between male characteristics here and being tom boy...please specify what those differences are so that parents can be on the look out for transgender tendencies in their children....see, if we are having a honest discussion, that would be something we have to talk about....how to identify transgender tendencies in very young children and how they differ from your standard everyday opposite gender characteristics like effeminate males and tom boy females.

Tomboy, as I have always understood it, just meant a girl that liked sports---preferred to be tossing a ball with the guys dressed in jeans then playing with dolls in a pretty dress. Maybe the meaning has changed, I don't know. There are, of course, varying degrees of femininity and masculinity without being transgender. There is a big difference between degrees either way than being convinced you are the opposite sex. When a 3 year old is asked if they are a boy or girl and they have been shown the difference, yet they keep saying they are the opposite, something is going on. Not that anything needs to be done, at that stage. That is what was happening with my friends child. It was the child that kept saying she was a boy, not that she wanted to dress like one, but that she was one from very early. Mom kept saying, you are a girl, the child would say no, "I am boy." He eventually stopped saying it because she kept saying, No, you are a girl. The way the adult talked about it later was that he would say, I am boy, I want to wear pants, mother said, no you are a girl, here is a dress. He just eventually put the dress on and quite saying he was a boy because she was not listening and he started thinking she must be right she is a girl and there is something wrong with my mind and body cause there shouldn't be a vagina there, but there is so I have to be wrong. So he tried to accept it--till he no longer could. As has been explained to me, it is just not a question of degree of masculine or feminine behaviors, but of the child stating they are the opposite.

 

[mmksparbud]

Hi,
Who are you talking to? I hope it is not me. If it is, I don't know how I have given you any ideas that I am offended with myself being transgendered.
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

No== sorry, I forgot to quote--the post was for razzeflabben.

 

[razzelflabben]

I just find it ridiculous to see an 11 year old boy wear makeup, be overly concerned about his appearance, and talk about how he wants breasts. Yes, that was actually in the video I spoke on earlier as well.

An 11 year old girl doesn't need to be thinking about any of these things, so what's with the boy? That's the point to be made- that's what the agenda is doing.

exactly

 

[razzelflabben]

Hi,
Your proof. Please Read Genesis 1:28 to familiarize yourself with what God has to say about science.
Please also review Romans 13:1-5 to familiarize yourself with what God says about Government Laws and Christians.
Please if you don't already know, familiarize yourself Genesis 9:1, and Genesis 1:28, and Genesis 11:1-9, to start and see how a Blessing by God is also a Command.

The Tower of Babel
11 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As people moved eastward,[a]they found a plain in Shinar[b] and settled there.

3 They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”

5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."
8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel[c]—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.
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Notice how in Genesis 11:8-9, How God said He scattered them over the earth twice. It is becuase a Blessing by God is also a Command of God.

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Now, using Genesis 1:28 and therefore Science; and using Romans 13:1-5 and therefore God Laws as given to the Christians and the non Christians also; This is what the Government has to say when it was asked to look again, into thier decisions on treating the Transgender with Surgery, rather than just with hormones and Therapy:

http://www.hhs.gov/dab/decisions/dabdecisions/dab2576.pdf

Many proofs are in there, in their reference section, for what they used, to make this current decision in May of 2014.

LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

????? not what the poster asked for

 

[razzelflabben]

Hi Everyone, both those who are comfortable with me, and those who are not,

Private Revelations do not compel anyone other than the person receiving them, to believe in them, according to Roman Catholicism. I think they are right. In any event, this I do not challenge, and I put it forth to everyone I meet.

Today while talking, (One of the only ways I learn), to a possible candidate for the priesthood my private revelation that was affirmed by The Holy Spirit in the testing phase by a person in The Roman Catholic Church that is called a Spiritual Director, came up.

It came up in response to my being transgendered. I am a Transgender female as most of you know.

He was concerned. Catholics in general do not know that the Catholic Church allows the transgendered, if it is severe enough, to have the medical community help them to be less in agony.

In my case, being transgender, I am of a subset of the transgender, I am transexual. That is the most extreme form of being Transgendred. So, the Catholic Church is actually okay, with the medical community relieving my agony. Yet, still that is not understood, by most Catholics.

In that Private Revelation from God, in which no Catholic is required to believe, except that Spritual Dirictor, me, and apparently anyone who reads the results of that testing done by the Spiritual Director, the transgender issue is there.

The issue is a little complicated. Reduced it is God The Father, treated me in a way, that can only be done to a girl. I in fact responded internally as a girl, and the final results are I live like a female, in full light of that Communication.

Further, I was prepared for roughly two years or more, to understand that question, that was put to me in Male form to me, with God The Father fully Present before during and until I answerd the question.

And that time God The Father did not speak to me, as He had done a year before. He had someone else speak to me. OH. I understood the question. I understood it totally. As I said, I was prepared for at least two years to understand that single question.

He, the possible priest to be, asked me to consider how God thinks of me, and not how I think of myself. He does not know me, so he did not know that is my only view anyway. Nor, did I have to tell him that; nor due to his youngness did I feel it necessasry to burden him with more information than necessary.

Instead, I told him within that Testing, is how God thinks of Transgender with me. It is there. What is in there, is God sees me as female, in a male's body.

For all of you here, I pretty much would be sent to Hell if I did not say that was so. This is why. I was asked why a series of events that took place in my life, was being presented to a Spiritual Director, to see if all of this was God or not.

I replied then, in April of 2008. "Because with God, it is too important to get it wrong." The Spiritual Director did not say anything for awhile. Then he started to try and figure out how he could find out if that set of experiences was God or not.

In two months or so, I was able to report in to him. I was not convinced of any answer given to me for this. I then started to speak. He immediately said: "Oh The Timing!" I became frightened. He seemed convinced to me, and I had not finished. However, after essentially disagreeing with him, he said this: "I do this for a living This is The Holy Spirit"

Now, Then, I was bound for eternity by those words, to believe all that I had brought to him, was God.

In that set of events, I was treated totally as a female by God. My body is male. So, I have to accept that God is okay with me being transgendered.

Like with Lourdes, Fatima, and Divine Mercy, no one is compelled to believe in this, but those who were given that private revelation.

LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

as I asked before and didn't get an answer, scripture says that in Christ there is no male of female. If there is no male or female in Christ, how can He treat you like a female? What does that even mean?

 

[razzelflabben]

OK--Something is amiss----do not understand why you keep saying you are offended as--up to a point-- I am not saying that contentment with our selves is not to be sought for--it is what is expected of us according to scripture---whatever state you're in. An maybe it's a matter of degree--don't know. I just know this--those, that I have talked to, who have transgendered, have all been very much more contented with their lives, then before they transgendered.

what I am saying is that if they don't learn contentment before transitioning, they cannot hope for a lasting contentment afterwards. This is the point. Even you acknowledge that contentment isn't happening with who they are but rather with who they can become or think they can become. Like in the story I told you, it is important to learn contentment before your situation changes for the contentment to be lasting. Otherwise, your shooting in the dark as to whether this change is really what will make you "happy"...I put that in quotes, because contentment and happiness are not the same thing.

Those that have not transgendered, had been reigned to their lot--simply because they had no choice. I can't debate resignation and contentment --how does one get contentment when you're walking on a nail in your shoe??-

the exact same way we found contentment while walking on our nail, the power of the Living God

-If you have no choice you may have to learn to accept the situation and live as best you can with it, perhaps walking as little as possible. But to expect someone to be content with a nail in your shoe is not going to happen.

It has happened for us many times over, even today with my health, it is happening and I have seen it happen with others as well. So, your claim is that finding contentment is impossible because you haven't seen transgenders find contentment before transition? That is kind of narrow minded isn't it? It also seems to me to show a lack of contentment within yourself, but maybe I am reading you wrong.

You can limp along with that nail for a long time, but it's just going to be a whole lot better when it's gone.

again, not what we are talking about, but I was very clear as to what contentment that I am talking about is, so we move on.

Maybe this is a matter of meaning of words. I am also saying that you cannot expect for those who have no faith in God, to be able to attain to something that can only be achieved through that faith.

amen...and since I am talking about transgenders in general, are you then suggesting that there are no believing transgenders? Cause I would take objection to that as well.

The atheist, the unbeliever, the believer in another religion all together, is not going to live their lives according to the spiritual knowledge of a believer. The Buddhist has their version of contentment, as does the atheist. Right, or wrong, that is just the way it is. An atheist may be totally lost, but he is still human and in need of compassion for their problems. Is the atheist less deserving of food if he's starving than a believer?? Is the homosexual who is dyeing of Aids any less in need of being helped for his suffering than the straight man who acquired it through a blood transfusion?? Is their spiritual condition going to determine what course of medicine to take? Are those who have not achieved what you perceive as contentment with their lives less worthy of getting an answer to their problem and is that answer going to be any different??

so why are we changing the topic to one of compassion? I said nothing at all about compassion and even said that once the person learns to be content with who they are, they will be able to know if transition is right for them, that is compassion dear one. to say, find contentment with who you are before trying to decide if transition is right for you, is a very compassionate thing to say, especially compared to what some here have said and what some in society are saying.

Anyone with a good attitude is going to do better with whatever problem they have, esp a health issue. That is proven. You have 2 people with cancer, the cancer gets cut out, one lives another 10 years, the other dies in 1--the one with the happier state of mind is generally the one that lives the longest. But do you withhold the surgery in the uncontended one until he gets contended?

look, we already brought up wrong diagnosis, why then is it wrong to suggest that a person finds contentment with who they are before they explore whether or not they need a surgery that is not for a life threatening illness. See, one of the problems I have with the "discussion" being offered, is that you are equating life saving cancer surgery to cosmetic surgery. The better comparison (not saying it is a good comparison, just a closer one) is Sue hates her nose and every time she looks in the mirror she wants to cut it off, why should we help her to see herself the way others see her, to be content with who she is, before we do cosmetic surgery to alter her nose? Or another more appropriate example is the anorexic who just can't accept how they look, should we give them surgery to not be able to eat, so that they learn to be content with the skin and bones they still see as fat? All I am saying is that they need to be content with who they are before they can know whether or not transition is going to help them in life. You are arguing that they have a life threatening disease and if they don't get the surgery they will die. That is totally contrary to any education of transgender identity that I have seen, you are welcome to try to evidence your claim.

It is the world that has settled on the sexual organs of these people as the ultimate determinator of their fate--they got a penis, they are male--it is the transgender that is saying not to concentrate on the sexual organs but their mind. Everyone is saying, no, it's the genitals that is the focus.

actually, I would disagree with you, but that would mean a whole different discussion about the difference between gender and sex, something you don't seem ready for.

Many of them do not ever have the hormones or the surgery because they can't afford them. They may have to be satisfied with just dressing the part, but they do not look as masculine or feminine as the world requires and are ostracized.

in the world I live in, they are no more ostracized for their appearance than the poor are for their poverty, or the cripple is for their damages or deformed limb.

The hormones help with the appearance so they can better blend in and be accepted for what they are. The surgeries come on to make the transition more complete, they have mentally eliminated the sexual organ to begin with, now they finally get it removed from sight also. Like that dang nail in your shoe.
I do not have an agenda here, I am expressing what I have found is all. I am not transgender, I am female, have never had a desire to be anything else--well, there were a few times I would have given anything to be a man so I could truly beat the tar out of someone. My point is just that you definition if contentment and theirs, may be different because -- they may not have a God based life to begin with 2- their faith may be different and their idea of peace of mind different than yours. They may bit be as "advanced" as you, but they never the less, need a solution to a problem and are doing it as best they can with the help of the medically knowledgeable. I suppose I have not cleared up anything--but this is the best I can word it. I'm not saying this is right or wrong--I am saying that this is the best they can do with what is available for what they have and that we know very little about how the brain works and may not have all the knowledge that may come later to fix this in a different way.

I did put contentment as trusting God...I did because I thought this was a christian only thread, but maybe I was wrong. You are right that contentment doesn't have to be trusting God, but it does have to produce peace which is something I have yet to see in a transgender.

 

[razzelflabben]

Tomboy, as I have always understood it, just meant a girl that liked sports---preferred to be tossing a ball with the guys dressed in jeans then playing with dolls in a pretty dress. Maybe the meaning has changed, I don't know. There are, of course, varying degrees of femininity and masculinity without being transgender. There is a big difference between degrees either way than being convinced you are the opposite sex. When a 3 year old is asked if they are a boy or girl and they have been shown the difference, yet they keep saying they are the opposite, something is going on. Not that anything needs to be done, at that stage. That is what was happening with my friends child. It was the child that kept saying she was a boy, not that she wanted to dress like one, but that she was one from very early. Mom kept saying, you are a girl, the child would say no, "I am boy." He eventually stopped saying it because she kept saying, No, you are a girl. The way the adult talked about it later was that he would say, I am boy, I want to wear pants, mother said, no you are a girl, here is a dress. He just eventually put the dress on and quite saying he was a boy because she was not listening and he started thinking she must be right she is a girl and there is something wrong with my mind and body cause there shouldn't be a vagina there, but there is so I have to be wrong. So he tried to accept it--till he no longer could. As has been explained to me, it is just not a question of degree of masculine or feminine behaviors, but of the child stating they are the opposite.

so, when a child identifies more with the opposite sex and the parent refuses to accept this, it is transgender? Man, I must be transgender and never knew it. I have always identified more with the opposite sex, have friends who have to, and none of us are transgender. I also have friends that tried to raise their kids the opposite sex and they aren't transgender either.

Like I said, what specifically would tell a parent that their child might be transgender? that way we have an early detection system in place so as to help them avoid a lot of hurt in their lives. Apparently, I am evidence and some of my friends are evidence that just identifying with the opposite sex or parents denying sex isn't enough....what are the symptoms so to speak so we can have early diagnosis

 

[StephanieSomer]

Show me a 'serious scientific study' that is actually conclusive and empirical.
There are such a thing as psychologists who haven't been sucked in by the agenda. You act like it's been proven as true as the sky is blue, when all of it can be pretty much assumed as one's experience vs preference over any conclusion proposing it as innate.
The very fact that you say a kid who hasn't even undergone puberty or understands the hormones and feelings that come of it somehow 'knows' their gender says it all.

If you want my opinion, I think you get by on these forums because you, yourself are a transgender and nobody here can tell you or reveal that they think you are dishonest in your testimony. That would be against the rules, so what you say stands without much push back.
Which is a conflict of interest.

Your making such a statement illustrates that you don't understand what gender is. It has nothing to do with puberty, sexuality, or hormones. It has nothing to do with sex whatsoever. The majority of people who are so totally in opposition to transition nearly always demonstrate that same insistence that sex and gender are essentially the same thing. They are quite distinct and are totally unrelated. I will readily agree that they are absolutely congruent with each other in MOST people. But, definitely NOT all people. The reason most people have such great difficulty with differentiating between the two is BECAUSE they are congruent in most people.