The ten commandments Old covenant, and the law "done away" and "abolished" as paul said

[Frogster]

tilting windmills again, sir quixote?

please follow along, I am handily winning the debate...thanks!

 

[Frogster]

2 Cor is written to Gentiles, who don't need to obey the law. Rather, take a look in Acts 15 where Jews, unlike the Gentiles, are left STILL circumcised and following the law.

70 AD ended that...Peter called the law a yoke, that he was under...(we....we..it says we...)

 

[Frogster]

That is a really interesting point. I am not sure we can speculate with any authority about the exact make up of the crowd that day. Regardless of who was there that day though, the message still stands. Jesus appears to be saying that the attempts of the Pharisees to obey all the law were insufficient, but it was worse than that... They were not even close because as Jesus came to demonstrate and explain, obeying the law is also about your heart.
You have heard it said... But I say to you...
In each case Jesus is actually explaining how much more rigorous the law is than even the Pharisees thought. What we can not say based on verse 20, is that it somehow invalidates what Jesus himself has just said. Jesus says that living according to all the details of the law is still the righteous way to live, that he then goes on to explain just how hard that is does not countermand what he has just said.

Thoughts?

Here are some law facts, thanks!




Law, from Paul and others.

Peter said the law was a yoke, he nor the fathers could bear, Acts 15:10, and it would test God to add it to the church.

James said not to burden with the law either in Acts 15.

Jesus in revelation 2:24 said he does not lay any other burden, same words as James in Acts 15.

It was dung life in Phil 3.

The power of sin is the law 1 Cor 15:56.

The law was temporary Gal 3:19.

The law was for children Gal 4:3.

The law works wrath Rom 4:15.

Sinful passions were aroused under law Rom 7:5.

The law is not the gospel Gal 3:9-10.

Life under law is cursed Gal 3:10 and 3:13.

The law is not of promise Gal 3:18 and Rom 4:14.

They received the Spirit not by law Gal 3:2.

They did not have miracles by law Gal 3:5.

The law does not justify Rom 3:20.

The law did not give life Gal 3:21.

The law did not sanctify Gal 3:3,

The law was added to increase the trespass, not take it away, Rom5:20.

Sin has dominion under law Rom 6:14.

Law life was bondage Gal 2:4, Gal 4:3, Gal 4:25, Gal 5:1.

To be severed from Christ, was to be under law, imagine that! Gal 5:4.

The law was called a strict pedagogue (tutor) of Gal 3:24, a strict disciplinarian, not very flattering, which fits into the context of the prison warden words of 3:24. The pedagogues beat the children with rods in Paul’s day.

The law was elemental Gal 4:3.

The law was a system of slavery, Gal 4.

Paul called the law bondage about 4 times in Galatians.

The law was called a prison that held in sin Gal 3:22-23.

The law is not grace Rom 11:6.

We are not heirs by law Rom 4:16.

The law is not of faith Gal 3:12.

The law is not the cross Gal 5:11 and Gal 3:1.

The law was abolished Eph 2:15.

The law was nailed to the cross Col 2:14,

The law caused division between Gentile and Jew in Eph 2:14-15.

The law caused enmity with God and man, Eph 2:16-18.

We are not sons by law Gal 4:6, the law was a ministry of death and condemnation 2 Cor 3:7-9.

The law could not cleanse guilt Heb 9:14 and 10:4,

To revert to the old cov was to spurn the Spirit of grace and the blood of the Cov, it was sin Heb 10:26-29.

Christ is the end of the law Rom 10:4.

There was a time when there was no law Rom 5:13.

It was a ministry of death and condemnation, 2 Corinthians 3.

We are not under law, Gal 5:18, Romans 6:14.

The old cov was abolished, Heb 8:13, 10:9.

Weak and useless.

Hebrews 7:18-19 For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness 19 (for the law made nothing perfect); but on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.


In Galatians 4:10-11, Paul said he wasted his time on them, if they got under Sabbath, the law, the Jewish calendar, and the basically same thing in Colossians 2:16.

Whew!

 

[Meowzltov]

There were Jews and in the church of Corinth..

And round and round and round we go! Let's go around again!

 

[Meowzltov]

oh come on, no one said they were the majority, but there were plenty of Jews in the church, let this one go already...meoooow!

Oh come on. There's a big difference between saying that 2% of the Corinthian church was Jewish and 30% was.

 

[Meowzltov]

please follow along, I am handily winning the debate...thanks!

Yes, I can see that the windmill is losing fast! Carry on!

 

[Meowzltov]

70 AD ended that...Peter called the law a yoke, that he was under...(we....we..it says we...)

Yes he did. But he did not remove the yoke from his own shoulders or the shoulders of fellow Jews.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Yes he did. But he did not remove the yoke from his own shoulders or the shoulders of fellow Jews.

Nor could he or any other human do so. It took an act of God Almighty to do it in the person of His Son, our Lord Jesus Christ. He broke the chains of the law forever. Hallelujah!

 

[Steeno7]

2 Cor is written to Gentiles, who don't need to obey the law. Rather, take a look in Acts 15 where Jews, unlike the Gentiles, are left STILL circumcised and following the law.

Ummm no.

2 Cor 1 - "I Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, To the church of God which is at Corinth with all the saints who are throughout Achaia"

A church which you have admitted includes both Gentiles and Jews.

 

[Meowzltov]

Nor could he or any other human do so. It took an act of God Almighty to do it in the person of His Son, our Lord Jesus Christ. He broke the chains of the law forever. Hallelujah!

Jesus didn't remove the yoke either. He simply says "My yoke is easy and my burden light." Matthew 11:30

 

[Meowzltov]

A church which you have admitted includes both Gentiles and Jews.

LIke my church has both Gentiles and Jews. About 4000 Gentiles and two of us Jews.

 

[Steeno7]

LIke my church has both Gentiles and Jews. About 4000 Gentiles and two of us Jews.

The percentage of Gentiles to Jews in the churches Paul was writing to is irrelevant.

 

[Meowzltov]

The percentage of Gentiles to Jews in the churches Paul was writing to is irrelevant.

No it's not. If my church were 50% Jewish, my bishop would certainly be addressing the Jews AS JEWS in his letters as well as the Gentiles. But its not. There are 2 of us Jews in a sea of 4000 Gentiles. The bishop doesn't say squat to us as Jews. He lumps us in with the Gentiles. So the perportion is very much an issue.

 

[Steeno7]

No it's not. If my church were 50% Jewish, my bishop would certainly be addressing the Jews AS JEWS in his letters as well as the Gentiles. But its not. There are 2 of us Jews in a sea of 4000 Gentiles. The bishop doesn't say squat to us as Jews. He lumps us in with the Gentiles. So the perportion is very much an issue.

What your bishop does or does not do is irrelevant. Paul was writing to churches. Churches comprised of both Gentiles and Jews. The percentage is Gentiles to Jews is irrelevant.

 

[Meowzltov]

What your bishop does or does not do is irrelevant. Paul was writing to churches

I'm saying Paul did the same thing my Bishop does, and for exactly the same reasons.

 

[Steeno7]

I'm saying Paul did the same thing my Bishop does, and for exactly the same reasons.

Nonsense.

 

[Meowzltov]

Nonsense

Not at all. It makes perfect sense.

 

[Steeno7]

Not at all. It makes perfect sense.

It makes perfect nonsense.

 

[Frogster]

I'm saying Paul did the same thing my Bishop does, and for exactly the same reasons.

My dear, dear little kitty, she of whom I labor for all over again, until the truth be formed in you (Gal 4:19)..

Your text-less diatribal posts have grown wearisome...

Try as you will to talk about the population count, Jews and Greeks, etc.

But the fact that you never refute, is there is one Lord, one faith, one baptism Eph 4. One gospel for Jew and Greek, Rom 1:17. ACTS 9:15, Paul was also sent to the sons of Israel, as also seen in Acts 26, it was the SAME gospel...

One body, the same body, through the one gospel, through the Abrahamic promise.....as per this verse..


Eph 3:6 This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.

SO HOW CAN YOU SAY , IN LIGHT OF THAT, THAT SOMEHOW JEWS ARE UNDER LAW, BUT NOT THE GENTILES, WHILE IT IS THE SAME BODY, SAME ABRAHAMIC PROMISE, THROUGH THE 1...1...1 GOSPEL!?????

The gentiles are not under law, so why would the Jewish Christians be under law?

Meeeeooooowski, the frog scrores again, swooooshhh!

 

[Frogster]

LIke my church has both Gentiles and Jews. About 4000 Gentiles and two of us Jews.

So the Pauline corpus is not for the 2 Jews in your church?

Are they not raised up in Christ, as the Gentiles are?

Are they not seated with Christ in the heavenlies with the Gentiles?

Are they not sealed with the Spirit like the Gentiles too?

Who are you try deprive them of those truths using segregation, acting like Paul was not thinking of them too? Gee, the Pauline letters are not for Jewish believers? Oh my!

Stop judging by race, there is no Jew or Greek Gal 3:28, Col 3:11, one body...1....1....1...not 2!