When was the Flood of Noah?

[Ben West]

Why did you create a new account, Aman777?

Because AOL must have sold my screen name to a Russian. There is one listed if you google aman777. After 18 years as Aman777, I'm now Ben West. My account here was dependent on me replying from my Aman777 E-mail account which I can no longer access. How are you?

 

[Atheos canadensis]

Because AOL must have sold my screen name to a Russian. There is one listed if you google aman777. After 18 years as Aman777, I'm now Ben West. My account here was dependent on me replying from my Aman777 E-mail account which I can no longer access. How are you?

Ah, mystery solved. I'm fine, thanks.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yah, I believe we all learned that the world started october 23, 4004 b.c. according to a study of the genealogies in Genesis done by Bishop Ussher. This seems to be disputable, but never mind. I would like a discussion, where/when does real evidence point that the flood was. I can begin myself with this contribution: Evidence Noah's biblical flood happened, says Robert Ballard that points to a flood in the Black sea region around 5000 B.C.

Looking forward to some interesting input. Stretch your googles .....

And please, if you want to comment that there was no flood, just dont comment in this thread.

The flood is mentioned by 4 Jewish authors in the NT:

Matthew 24:
38 For as they were in the days, those, to-the before the flood eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until which day entered Noah into the ark,
39 And not they know until came the deludge and lifts/takes-up All. Thus shall be also the parousia <3952> of the Son of the Man.

Luk 17:
26 “And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man:
27 “They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.

Heb 11:7
By faith Noah, having been divinely warned concerning the things not yet seen, having feared, did prepare an ark to the salvation of his house, through which he did condemn the world, and of the righteousness according to faith he became heir.

1Pe 3:20
who sometime disbelieved, when once the long-suffering of God did wait, in days of Noah -- an ark being preparing -- in which few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water;

One theory is, that perhaps a lot of the earth could have been under water during the days of Noah? As far as WHEN the flood occured is anyone's guess.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/localflood.html

When you read an English translation of the biblical account of the flood, you will undoubtedly notice many words and verses that seem to suggest that the waters covered all of planet earth.3 However, one should note that today we look at everything from a global perspective, whereas the Bible nearly always refers to local geography. You may not be able to determine this fact from our English translations, so we will look at the original Hebrew, which is the word of God. The Hebrew words which are translated as "whole earth" or "all the earth" are kol (Strong's number H3605), which means "all," and erets (Strong's number H776), which means "earth," "land," "country," or "ground."4 We don't need to look very far in Genesis (Genesis 2) before we find the Hebrew words kol erets.

The "whole earth" often refers to the people not geography

However, there are many more examples of where kol erets is used without reference to any specific land, although the context clearly indicates a local area. For example, in Genesis 11 (the Tower of Babel) the text says, "the whole [kol] earth [erets] used the same language."6 We know that this reference is not really to the earth at all (and certainly not to the "whole earth"), but to the people of the earth, who all lived in one geographic location. It wasn't until later that God scattered the people over the face of the earth.6 There are many other examples of where kol erets actually refers to people rather than the geography of the "whole earth":

Local perspective of the flood

Does the Genesis text indicate that the flood was local? If you read it carefully, you can determine that the perspective is local. The key verses can be seen below:
Gen 8:5 And the water decreased steadily until the tenth month; in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, the tops of the mountains became visible.
Gen 8:6 Then it came about at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made;
Gen 8:7 and he sent out a raven, and it flew here and there until the water was dried up from the earth.
Gen 8:8 Then he sent out a dove from him, to see if the water was abated from the face of the land;
Gen 8:9 but the dove found no resting place for the sole of her foot, so she returned to him into the ark; for the water was on the surface of all the earth. Then he put out his hand and took her, and brought her into the ark to himself.

 

[DaisyDay]

Operations leave scars.[VERSE=Genesis 2:21,KJV]And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;[/VERSE]God chose not to leave every scar made by the Flood.

Adam may have had a scar. We don't know.

 

[AV1611VET]

And you know it.

Wow!

Now I'm being accused of knowing something.

That's a switch!

 

[AV1611VET]

Adam may have had a scar. We don't know.

And a navel too?

 

[AV1611VET]

Do I need to bring my thread back about the thickness of sediments left by said flood?

The only thickness I really care to discuss is the thickness of dust on the moon.

 

[AV1611VET]

And in the process God not only managed to sort it in a progression from simpler forms to more complex forms, but also made it look like evolution from one form to another have occurred. How peculiar isn't that?

Show me evolution from one form to another inside the White Cliffs of Dover please.

 

[Paul K]

sorry for bringing up an old topic, evidence of flood by scarring, trouble is the alleged flood was 4000 bc, which means its 6000 years later, Do you think the evidence will still be there, no. The mayan temple would never be found because it was overgrown with trees and vines, but it was by chance that an explorer discovered masonry work and decide to investigate further, thus the mayan temple became revealed to the public. So the evidence of the flood is now a normal thing that we take for granted or an obscure thing that the scientist is currently saying that it is a billion year old geological formation. When Mount St helen erupted, it created a large canyon by the flooding caused by the eruption, the scientist realized that it is possible that a major flood could make a major geological formation that we take for granted now. The 8 people on a boat became the entire human race in this world now, so naturally the stories told from those 8 people will form the stories now told world wide by different cultures. If it was a local flood, why would Noah build a large ark to save all animals and save humankind, when all He could do was just travel to high ground, and the animals are not stupid, the animals knows what to do when a flood is happening, they usually travel to high grounds. In the bible it states that Noah and family was in the ark for nearly a year, Most flood don't last a year, They usually last a short time before dissipating.

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[RickG]

The only thickness I really care to discuss is the thickness of dust on the moon.

Which is a bogus creation science argument.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

And a navel too?

Now that would make for an interesting discussion thread!

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...-a-belly-button.1330863/page-18#post-62655446

Forget about creation, evolution, and the flood, lets talk about important stuff! Did Adam and Eve have a belly button (umbilicus for you scientific types)? Musta looked weird without one ehh? Of course neither had a need for one because they were both just whipped up by God in the Garden. No actual birth took place so no belly button.

I will go to sleep tonight pondering this great mystery. Seacrest out.

So did they ehehe

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yes, I would change the subject too, if I were you.
Your evidence for a global flood is entirely absent. Because there was no such event.

And you know it.

and what is your evidence the flood event in the Bible didn't happen?

Wow!

Now I'm being accused of knowing something.

That's a switch!

Yeah...that's gotta be a first here! Gotta take those points while ya can bro......ehehehe

 

[RickG]

When Mount St helen erupted, it created a large canyon by the flooding caused by the eruption, the scientist realized that it is possible that a major flood could make a major geological formation that we take for granted now.

P

You know Paul, what is so amazing to me with creation science is that its false accusations are so easily shown to be just that, false. The idea related to your comment is that it shows how quickly canyons like the Grand Canyon can be formed. The problem is, that what was washed away by the Toutle River due to the eruption, was unconsolidated volcanic ash, not solid rock like we see in the Grand Canyon.

 

[Loudmouth]

And a navel too?

Was the Earth created with fossils already in the ground?

 

[DaisyDay]

And a navel too?

Probably not, but we have no way of knowing.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Because AOL must have sold my screen name to a Russian. There is one listed if you google aman777. After 18 years as Aman777, I'm now Ben West. My account here was dependent on me replying from my Aman777 E-mail account which I can no longer access. How are you?

Just ask the CF Admins to restore your username.........

http://www.christianforums.com/forums/questions-about-cf-tech-support.881/

 

[Loudmouth]

When Mount St helen erupted, it created a large canyon by the flooding caused by the eruption, the scientist realized that it is possible that a major flood could make a major geological formation that we take for granted now.

We can also find historic eruptions that happened before any humans were present. For example, Specimen Ridge in Yellowstone park has more than 20 forests, one buried on top of another. Each is a well developed forest that was later flooded by lahars like the one Mt. St. Helens produced. We can find evidence of floods in the past. The evidence doesn't just magically disappear.

The 8 people on a boat became the entire human race in this world now, so naturally the stories told from those 8 people will form the stories now told world wide by different cultures.

If the stories were all created independently due to different floods, then we would expect flood legends to be very different from one another. That's exactly what we see.

Also, if there were only 8 people then we should only see 16 alleles for genes such as HLA genes. That isn't what we see. We see thousands and thousands of alleles for these genes. This disproves a recent genetic bottleneck for the human population.

If it was a local flood, why would Noah build a large ark to save all animals and save humankind, when all He could do was just travel to high ground, and the animals are not stupid, the animals knows what to do when a flood is happening, they usually travel to high grounds.

If animals really don't talk, why did Aesop write stories where they did talk?

If space is a vacuum, why does the Millennium Falcon make noise when it flies by?

 

[AV1611VET]

* AFTER EDEN *

LOL -- what a nord!

 

[AV1611VET]

Yeah...that's gotta be a first here! Gotta take those points while ya can bro......ehehehe

Yes'm'wa!

 

[AV1611VET]

Was the Earth created with fossils already in the ground?

Of course not.