Why does Ken Ham think that the Universe is only 6,000 years old?

[Davian]

We call that: "His righteousness."[VERSE=Romans 3:26,KJV]To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.[/VERSE][VERSE=1 John 2:1-2,KJV][VERSENUM]1[/VERSENUM] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [VERSENUM]2[/VERSENUM] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.[/VERSE]

Circular Reasoning Works Because Circular Reasoning Works

• Davian
• Jun 25, 2015

 

[AV1611VET]

Circular Reasoning Works Because Circular Reasoning Works

So your way then is for God to declare everybody GUILTY (which He does), then send everyone to Hell?

Rather than doing it His way and declaring everybody GUILTY, then laying the penalty on Himself?

 

[joshua 1 9]

If you think it's easy, I invite you to walk a mile in my shoes.

At least you got shoes to walk in. Not everyone is so blessed.

 

[AV1611VET]

At least you got shoes to walk in. Not everyone is so blessed.

Should barefoot people be making remarks like this:

It is the ultimate; hit the easy button way to go.

 

[SkyWriting]

Who sells eternal life?

This guy sells a more expensive deal, but with no warranty.

 

[SkyWriting]

At least you got shoes to walk in. Not everyone is so blessed.

That the idea behind Tom's shoes.
They've been very successful.

 

[Davian]

So your way then is for God to declare everybody GUILTY (which He does), then send everyone to Hell?

Rather than doing it His way and declaring everybody GUILTY, then laying the penalty on Himself?

What penalty? A bad weekend?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Sure it does. I posted: "God lives in a world of Light/Energy. 1Ti 6:16 To change such energy into matter should be a simple exercise for the Supreme Intelligence of Creation. Amen? Jesus did the same when He changed air, dust and water BACK into energy when He fashioned the present Universe. Amen?"

God KNEW Billions of years ago what Albert Einstein discovered 100 years ago. That is WHY God changed some of the energy in His world into physical matter which Jesus used to cause the Big Bang of our Cosmos.

Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Ecc 1:10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

Your faith-based claims are not supportable.
Your bible quotes are irrelevant.

 

[AV1611VET]

What penalty? A bad weekend?

That "bad weekend" was cut short by the fact that Jesus has power over death, Hell, and the grave.

If God would do it your way, everyone would be spending eternity there, irregardless whether they repented of their sins or not.

And that's a terrible price to pay, just so you won't accuse Him of circular reasoning.

You must really hate the human race.

 

[joshua 1 9]

What penalty? A bad weekend?

What if all the hell we ever suffered was right here in this life? That is still enough reward or punishment for any reasonable person to want to follow the teaching of the Bible. Christians on the average live 5 years longer. What sort of an evolutionary advantage does that give Christians over the people that do not have that five years of life.

"Asserting that the truth of the Bible holds the key to healthy living, this book (None of these Diseses) identifies how many life-threatening medical conditions could be prevented through living a committed Christian life and following the instructions in the Old and New Testament."

http://www.amazon.com/None-These-Diseases-S-McMillen/dp/0800752333

Science has lots of pills to prescribe and surgical procedures. But the better choice is to eat right, exercise and control your stress. High nutrition low calorie whole food whole grain diet can go a long way toward good health. Of course this is one area that science and religion agree.

 

[Ben West]

Your faith-based claims are not supportable.
Your bible quotes are irrelevant.

Thanks for your own personal opinion. Should we believe you or God? Amen?

 

[joshua 1 9]

I posted: "God lives in a world of Light/Energy. 1Ti 6:16

All life starts off as light from the sun. Man depends on the plants to convert that light for him. As plants evolve they become more efficient at converting the suns light into a life giving energy.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Your bible quotes are irrelevant.

Bible quotes become relevant when Science can verify that they are true.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Should barefoot people be making remarks like this:

Jesus said: "My yoke is easy and My burden is light".

 

[AV1611VET]

All life starts off as light from the sun. Man depends on the plants to convert that light for him. As plants evolve they become more efficient at converting the suns light into a life giving energy.

Then maybe we should worship the sun and plants then, eh?

That way, they won't cut us off from their life-giving energy when we get old?

 

[joshua 1 9]

That the idea behind Tom's shoes.
They've been very successful.

So if we want to be successful then we should go into the show business and invite people to walk in our shoes? I remember one shoe store where they use to put just one shoe out and if you wanted to buy them they had to go back room and get the other shoe. People would still steal that one shoe. They had a bunch of shoes that did not have a mate.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Then maybe we should worship the sun and plants then, eh?

That way, they won't cut us off from their life-giving energy when we get old?

Mostly we need the sun to convert Vitamin D to avoid depression. I do have a Botany book that claims we serve the plants and they are our master. In the case of drug addiction that maybe true. They offer a reward to plant and take care of them. Be it fruit, beauty, medicine or food.

 

[AV1611VET]

Mostly we need the sun to convert Vitamin D to avoid depression.

Sorry ... I was a little hasty with my comment.

You have a good point.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Bible quotes become relevant when Science can verify that they are true.

It seems to me that if science is providing certain information, it seems redundant to go to a secondary source with vague analogies to said information.

It's like quoting The Amazing Spiderman to demonstrate to someone in Europe that New York exists....

 

[DogmaHunter]

Thanks for your own personal opinion. Should we believe you or God? Amen?

You should believe that which the evidence supports.