Why does Ken Ham think that the Universe is only 6,000 years old?

[Not_By_Chance]

I have yet to see you support your claim, that the theory of evolution is false.

He doesn't have to. It's for those who say it is true to provide evidence to support their idea and they can't do it. They have to explain how first life and indeed, how the universe came into existence in the first place. They can't do it. They have to explain where all the masses of information came from that exists in living things. They can't do it. They have to explain conscientiousness. They can't do it. They have to explain why we don't see masses of transitional fossils or why we don't see transitional creatures in the world today. They can't do it. They have to explain why some creatures in the fossil record have not changed over supposed millions of years from their counterparts which are alive today. They can't do that either. Without anything substantial to back it up, it's just a religious worldview. The difference is Christians have someone they can quote for the miracle of our beautiful universe; the atheist has no explanation for any of it and has to resort to bluff and bluster, with a few fudge factors like Dark Matter and Dark Energy thrown in for good measure, just to keep their theory alive. Thankfully, due to the wonderful work of some of the creation ministries and bible-believing scientists, the just-so stories of evolution are being exposed like never before.

Scripture doesn't qualify, as reliable scientific evidence

It's not supposed to be, but where the Bible does mention scientific things, it is accurate as one would expect, since it comes from God's knowledge and not that of man.

 

[bhsmte]

He doesn't have to. It's for those who say it is true to provide evidence to support their idea and they can't do it. They have to explain how first life and indeed, how the universe came into existence in the first place. They can't do it. They have to explain where all the masses of information came from that exists in living things. They can't do it. They have to explain conscientiousness. They can't do it. They have to explain why we don't see masses of transitional fossils or why we don't see transitional creatures in the world today. They can't do it. They have to explain why some creatures in the fossil record have not changed over supposed millions of years from their counterparts which are alive today. They can't do that either. Without anything substantial to back it up, it's just a religious worldview. The difference is Christians have someone they can quote for the miracle of our beautiful universe; the atheist has no explanation for any of it and has to resort to bluff and bluster, with a few fudge factors like Dark Matter and Dark Energy thrown in for good measure, just to keep their theory alive. Thankfully, due to the wonderful work of some of the creation ministries and bible-believing scientists, the just-so stories of evolution are being exposed like never before.

It's not supposed to be, but where the Bible does mention scientific things, it is accurate as one would expect, since it comes from God's knowledge and not that of man.

Well, if he is claiming it is scripture which proves a well evidence theory to be false, it would be a good idea for him to show how scripture is scientifically reliable.

 

[Not_By_Chance]

How do the majority of astrologists feel about the opinions of spike?

Well, given that an astrologist is someone who "studies of the positions of the stars and the movements of the planets in the belief that they influence human affairs", I shouldn't think Spike would give two hoots.

 

[bhsmte]

Well, given that an astrologist is someone who "studies of the positions of the stars and the movements of the planets in the belief that they influence human affairs", I shouldn't think Spike would give two hoots.

I edited my post; astronomers.

 

[Not_By_Chance]

Well, if he is claiming it is scripture which proves a well evidence theory to be false, it would be a good idea for him to show how scripture is scientifically reliable.

There are passages in the Bible that would not have meant anything to the human writer at the time, but because God was the author, the writer recorded them. It's only in recent times that such things have been understood. An example of this is the bound and loose clusters in the well-known constellations of Orion and Pleiades. Look what the Bible had to say about this, long before this was known. This is God talking to Job:-
Job 38:31 "Can you bind the beautiful Pleiades? Can you loose the cords of Orion?

 

[bhsmte]

There are passages in the Bible that would not have meant anything to the human writer at the time, but because God was the author, the writer recorded them. It's only in recent times that such things have been understood. An example of this is the bound and loose clusters in the well-known constellations of Orion and Pleiades. Look what the Bible had to say about this, long before this was known. This is God talking to Job:-
Job 38:31 "Can you bind the beautiful Pleiades? Can you loose the cords of Orion?

Scientific support is what I am looking for and what the poster is claiming.

 

[Not_By_Chance]

I edited my post; astronomers.

Sorry, I knew that's what you meant. I couldn't resist the little joke.
But to answer your question - you have to realise that numbers (of believers) is not necessarily an indication of what is true and what isn't. Spike makes no secret of the fact that he believes the scriptures and that that is his motive for making the DVDs. However, the point is, he present facts, according to our present knowledge, which do not sit at all well with standard cosmology. These are problems which are conveniently never revealed in general material for public consumption. This amounts to deception by omission.

 

[Not_By_Chance]

Scientific support is what I am looking for and what the poster is claiming.

OK, I've leave it to him to provide you with what you need as he's best placed to answer that.

 

[bhsmte]

OK, I've leave it to him to provide you with what you need as he's best placed to answer that.

He has been at it for a long time on this site, saying the same things, it won't be coming.

 

[Davian]

That "bad weekend" was cut short by the fact

Not a "fact".

that Jesus has power over death, Hell, and the grave.

What was this alleged sacrifice again?

If God would do it your way, everyone would be spending eternity there, irregardless whether they repented of their sins or not.

And that's a terrible price to pay, just so you won't accuse Him of circular reasoning.

You must really hate the human race.

lol. The circular reasoning was being made by the person making the post, not the hypothetical deity being discussed.

 

[Davian]

What if all the hell we ever suffered was right here in this life? That is still enough reward or punishment for any reasonable person to want to follow the teaching of the Bible. Christians on the average live 5 years longer.

Even if this were true, is it anything other than an endorsement for the placebo effect?

What sort of an evolutionary advantage does that give Christians over the people that do not have that five years of life.

"Asserting that the truth of the Bible holds the key to healthy living, this book (None of these Diseses) identifies how many life-threatening medical conditions could be prevented through living a committed Christian life and following the instructions in the Old and New Testament."

http://www.amazon.com/None-These-Diseases-S-McMillen/dp/0800752333

Science has lots of pills to prescribe and surgical procedures. But the better choice is to eat right, exercise and control your stress. High nutrition low calorie whole food whole grain diet can go a long way toward good health. Of course this is one area that science and religion agree.

What has this to do with that alleged bad weekend?

 

[Gene2memE]

It's easy to show Historically since the following Map shows the arrival of the FIRST Humans on this planet of the sons of God (prehistoric people). Before Noah arrived there was NO Farming, NO city building, NOR any of the traits of modern Humans on this Earth. Arriving ONLY in the last 1% of the time since prehistoric people diverged from Chimps, Humans (descendants of Adam) have taken us to the Moon and Back.

Psst. Your timeline is out.

Cultivation of domesticated grains in area of modern Sudan/Southern Egypt from at least 10,500 years ago: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0110177#pone.0110177-Zohary1
Farming in the Mediterranean about 10,00 years ago: 1http://phys.org/news/2012-05-oldest-farming-village-mediterranean-islands.html#nRlv
Cultivation of fruiting trees from 11,300 years ago in the Jericho valley: https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/development-of-agriculture/

Care to explain the missing ~4-5000 years?

 

[DogmaHunter]

All the evidence that we can gather supports the accuracy of the scriptures.

Maybe in lala-land.
In the real world, the actual evidence rules out all humans descending from a single couple, rules out global floods, rules out animals on a boat, etc.

Not a single thing that is relevant to the supernatural shenannigans in the book is supported by evidence. Not a single one.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Amen and since Scripture AGREES in every way with every discovery of Science and History, EXCEPT the False Theory of Evolution,

Yeah. If you ignore all the science that contradicts your a priori beliefs, then, yes, science agrees with your a priori beliefs.

PS: you forgot "false" geology, "false" genetics, "false" cosmology, "false" astronomy, etc.

ALL of the actual evidence supports God's account IF you have the proper interpretation.

Clearly, your interpretation requires ignoring large portions of science in order to be able to hold on to your beliefs.

IF God's Truth IS the Truth, then it MUST agree with the discoveries of mankind.

Then why doesn't it?
Evolution is such a discovery.

You can join the tin-foil hat cult and call it a global conspiracy, but all you accomplish is exposing how your beliefs have taken your intellectual ingegrity hostage...

 

[DogmaHunter]

It's easy Scripturally since Gen 2:4-7 shows that Adam was made on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants, herbs and trees and long Before ANY other living creature including the common ancestor of Apes, which evolved from the water on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21 Adam was FIRST made. First made's cannot evolve from any other being.

So, your evidence for the claims of the book is.......... saying that the claims are in the book?

Circular much?

It's easy Scientifically since NO one can repeat the SAME combination of magical positive mutations, along with the enormous lengths of time necessary, to change animals into Humans (descendants of Adam).

Why would they need to?

Eliminating the INHERITANCE of Human intelligence from ANOTHER Human is Scientifically FALSE. NO other Apes have repeated the process.

Evolution theory doesn't say this should happen.
Perhaps you should inform yourself first, before trying to argue against thing you clearly have no understnding off.

What you are doing here is the equivalent of arguing against gravity using the "evidence" that if you drop a hammer in the space station, it doesn't fall down.

It's easy to show Historically since the following Map shows the arrival of the FIRST Humans on this planet of the sons of God (prehistoric people). Before Noah arrived there was NO Farming, NO city building, NOR any of the traits of modern Humans on this Earth. Arriving ONLY in the last 1% of the time since prehistoric people diverged from Chimps, Humans (descendants of Adam) have taken us to the Moon and Back.

Civilisation, farming, culture, art, etc... all existed long before your religion saw the light of day.

As you should be able to see, Evolution is refuted Scripturally, Scientifically and Historically.

I can only lol.

By rejecting God's Story of the Flood

So, next to biology, you also need to ignore geology in order to believe in that flood story as well.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Try again?

It's easy Scripturally to show that Evolution is FALSE

Just as easy as it is to "scripturally show" that spiderman exists and lives in New York.

 

[DogmaHunter]

In my case science simply did not have what I needed and was looking for. I found what I needed in the Bible. If science could have provided for my needs then I would not have had to look anywhere else.

Well, the point of science is not to cater for your emotional needs...

 

[Davian]

All the evidence that we can gather supports the accuracy of the scriptures.

An alleged accuracy that results in everything from Christian atheism to pantheism/panentheism.

"Christian atheism is a theological position in which the belief in the God of Christianity is rejected or absent but the moral teachings of Jesus are followed."

Christian atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The apostle Paul quotes a pantheist poem about Zeus in Acts 17:28, turning it into a panentheist statement about their "unknown God" when he quotes, "'In him we live and move and have our being' as some of your poets have said."

Panentheism is also a feature of some later Christian thought, particularly in mystical Orthodox Christianity, Catholic philosophy, and process theology. In order to avoid confusion with pantheism some panentheists now use the doublet "unitheism.""

Panentheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[The Cadet]

All the evidence that we can gather supports the accuracy of the scriptures.

Nonsense; we cannot examine the past, remember? If you're going to make nonsensical claims, you could at least be self-consistent with them.

 

[AV1611VET]

In the real world, the actual evidence rules out all humans descending from a single couple, rules out global floods, rules out animals on a boat, etc.

In other words, it rules out GOD DID IT, doesn't it?