Tools far pre date man, evolution theory kicked in face

[dad]

Most sources look at the claims of the Bible and the evidence that would have been left behind and simply so "No."

They are clueless then. When the Spirit of God is right there, we would expect many things to be unusual. We would not look for manna there and then say there was no manna because we can't find any. God even picked up the fragments of leftovers when He created the loaves and fish. Why would He leave physical debris where He was working???

 

[Subduction Zone]

They are clueless then. When the Spirit of God is right there, we would expect many things to be unusual. We would not look for manna there and then say there was no manna because we can't find any. God even picked up the fragments of leftovers when He created the loaves and fish. Why would He leave physical debris where He was working???

I love it. Whenever dad is cornered by reality he always relies on magic.

 

[joshua 1 9]

What did Jesus say as a fact?

Luke talks about Moses when he says:
Acts 7:22 ESV / 16 helpful votes
And Moses was instructed in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and he was mighty in his words and deeds.

Because we live in a time of apostasy people go to a great extent to disregard the Word of God. Yet the law of God remains consistent and true. Just like all the natural laws guide our universe. To disregard or deny the Bible makes about as much sense as to disregard or deny the law of gravity.

 

[joshua 1 9]

They are clueless then. When the Spirit of God is right there, we would expect many things to be unusual. We would not look for manna there and then say there was no manna because we can't find any. God even picked up the fragments of leftovers when He created the loaves and fish. Why would He leave physical debris where He was working???

They never looked. Bruce Fielder in his book Walking the Bible did a real investigation of the various places we read about in our Bible. His life was enriched by his investigation into the truth. What do you think the end result will be for the skeptic and scoffers. As they slip away into oblivion lost in their unbelief.

 

[davedajobauk]

Arrgh! I did not put the bold text in this. I picked it up when I copied and pasted from an article that I cited. This is a new problem with the new software. Does anyone know how to edit it out? I tried to add a "{/b} " but with [] and had no luck.

Yes, 'tie-down' your quotes at > 'INSERT QUOTES' (do not copy and paste)
and post your replies to each on a new line, AFTER the [/quote]

If your replies still copies the Font with bold....
Highlight all, of your own text and use editor to change font, font colour and text size
and whether emboldened or, not

 

[Heissonear]

okay dad
All along I have said; that chronology is the basis for your 'arguments'
God made the world in six days, and on the last day He 'created mankind'

So, when was the moon created ?

Let me help you

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1. 4.5 billion years ago
2. The moon was formed ~4.5 billion years ago, about 30–50 million years after the origin of the Solar System, out of debris thrown into orbit by a massive collision between a smaller proto-Earth and another planetoid, about the size of Mars.
3. NASA scientist Jen Heldmann describes how the Earth's moon
   sservi.nasa.gov/.../nasa-scientist-jen-heldmann-describes-how-the-earths-mo...

In its 4.6 billion years circling the Sun, the Earth has harbored an increasing diversity of life forms:

• for the last 3.6 billion years, simple cells (prokaryotes);
• for the last 3.4 billion years, cyanobacteria performing photosynthesis;
• for the last 2 billion years, complex cells (eukaryotes);
• for the last 1.2 billion years, eukaryotes which sexually reproduce
• for the last 1 billion years, multicellular life;
• for the last 600 million years, simple animals;
• for the last 550 million years, bilaterians, water life forms with a front and a back;
• for the last 500 million years, fish and proto-amphibians;
• for the last 475 million years, land plants;
• for the last 400 million years, insects and seeds;
• for the last 360 million years, amphibians;
• for the last 300 million years, reptiles;
• for the last 200 million years, mammals;
• for the last 150 million years, birds;
• for the last 130 million years, flowers;
• for the last 60 million years, the primates,
• for the last 20 million years, the family Hominidae (great apes);
• for the last 2.5 million years, the genus Homo (including humans and their predecessors);
• for the last 250,000 years, anatomically modern humans.

Periodic extinctions have temporarily reduced diversity, eliminating:

• 2.4 billion years ago, many obligate anaerobes, in the Great Oxygenation Event;
• 252 million years ago, the trilobites, in the Permian–Triassic extinction event;
• 65 million years ago, the pterosaurs and nonavian dinosaurs, in the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event.
  
  
  So, as I have been saying.... your timing and that of almost everyone else
  is way out of sync (whack)
  and we therefore, need to sync our-understandings
  
  
  source: of included tables
  ¬
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_evolutionary_history_of_life

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Half truths do not lead you to Him on High, who Created this Earth we are on.

As Naturalists do, they push the equal button through only mental reasoning about what observations or examinations they have made.

It appears this is your foundation: the natural, earthly knowledge you possess.

You can only wonder "could I have only half of it figured out"?

Did the Pharisees have things fugured out, only to possess half truths, when they said they know the Scriptures?

What Dad states many times is that because of sin man corrupts everything he handles and ambitiously seeks. Yes, knowledge that is corrupt, polluted, mishandled.

This Earth has apparent age. Were does your wisdom come from?

 

[davedajobauk]

davedajobauk said: ↑
okay dad
All along I have said; that chronology is the basis for your 'arguments'
God made the world in six days, and on the last day He 'created mankind'

Note: that I wrote; "chronology is the basis for your 'arguments''

and I did mean: YOUR ARGUMENTS

There is a world of difference, between; the 'time of' the writing of the original scriptures
and, their collation, translation, transliteration and publishing, of the various VERSIONS, of, 'The Bible'

Language, ALL languages (?) change, over time and many words (over the passage of time)
fall, out of use...
Later, best-guesses, as to the original contextual meaning, ARE..still only guesses, however 'well-intentioned'

When, you read (literally) those BEST GUESSES ... you envisage the meaning then, given to it *
by the scholar that did his / her VERY BEST, to convey his / her UNDERSTANDING, within, that RE-WRITE
However, you are using Today's Version
of yesterday's language, with which to acquire, what you are now propounding (as your 'understanding')
and, very unhumbly, denouncing all statements, by others * that seem (to you) to contradict YOUR BELIEFS

If, all men, are "OUT OF ADAM"
Explain our physiological [genetic] differences, around the world
Explain our different blood-groups


Now, (getting back to) that OP

Rocks have been discovered, in "sedimentary layers"
sediment = settled out of water and created the bed of a body of water

Subsequent layers of lava and sediments, contain materials, that can and have been effectively dated,
within 'an element of error' (included) ie: best guess

Those rocks, were not introduced to those layers, by invasion
they are constituent with the layer and therefore were placed there as the layer was created
Those rocks, have been 'tooled' / formed, by their use as tools

Their age (best guess) is I am sure, no-less than, the age of the creation of, that sediment
Who, or what, made them, is, what is under discussion

 

[dad]

I love it. Whenever dad is cornered by reality he always relies on magic.

Regardless of what things higher than you may seem like to you, reality includes the spiritual and God. In fact there is no reality of any consequence without that.

The partial reality that science is based on was used to try to construct a whole reality, and it failed. Instead it produced whopper fables from the evo dream machine.

 

[dad]

Note: that I wrote; "chronology is the basis for your 'arguments''

and I did mean: YOUR ARGUMENTS

No idea why you linked a verse about Joshua and the sun here. Perhaps you disbelieve God stopped the sun? Some have wondered how He did that. Well, too bad for them! Theirs is not to question why, theirs is but to do or die.

I have suspected that the area of the battle was transported beyond time and space we know. Forget the usual explanations of orbits or whatever! It also seems probable that not the whole planet but just that little area was involved.

There is a world of difference, between; the 'time of' the writing of the original scriptures
and, their collation, translation, transliteration and publishing, of the various VERSIONS, of, 'The Bible'

So? Were you trying to lead to some point?

Language, ALL languages (?) change, over time and many words (over the passage of time)
fall, out of use...
Later, best-guesses, as to the original contextual meaning, ARE..still only guesses, however 'well-intentioned'

NOT if God exists and arranged for Scripture to be inspired! Your position therefore is one of unbelief founded on nothing at all.

and, very unhumbly, denouncing all statements, by others * that seem (to you) to contradict YOUR BELIEFS

You can make a Scripture case if you like, but that is God's beliefs!

If, all men, are "OUT OF ADAM"
Explain our physiological [genetic] differences, around the world
Explain our different blood-groups

No need. However, not all men and women were supposed to be identical clones of Adam! God has different personalities, traits, gifts and etc. There was also the nature change presumably after the flood, where it seems likely that what we know as genetics started! The genetics of the former state was probably quite different. Basically you are in no position to know. Act accordingly.


Now, (getting back to) that OP

Rocks have been discovered, in "sedimentary layers"
sediment = settled out of water and created the bed of a body of water

Subsequent layers of lava and sediments, contain materials, that can and have been effectively dated,
within 'an element of error' (included) ie: best guess

False. The so called dating once it gets beyond the time this nature existed is not dating at all, but religious drivel dating.

Those rocks, were not introduced to those layers, by invasion
they are constituent with the layer and therefore were placed there as the layer was created
Those rocks, have been 'tooled' / formed, by their use as tools

Their age (best guess) is I am sure, no-less than, the age of the creation of, that sediment
Who, or what, made them, is, what is under discussion

Off course the rocks are not older than creation. Why dance all around to say something?







https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joshua+10:12&version=ESV
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[Ben West]

↑
Ben:>>Abel NEVER took a single step on our planet.

Dad:>>So what, he flew?

No, Abel was a man of Flesh since his father and mother had been changed from the Immortal Beings they were before the fall into the same likeness as the sons of God (prehistoric people). The sons of God and Humans are BOTH flesh.

Dad:>>Eph 3:9 -And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Amen. Jesus Christ IS the Light of the First Day as I post all the time. Gen 1:3

Where did the bones of ancient people, which have been found all over Planet Earth come from?

Dad:>>Probably from ancient people. This is news??

No, they lead to the common ancestor of Apes on our Planet who evolved into the sons of God (prehistoric people). Are you an Ape? Or were the sons of God (prehistoric people) Apes? Do you always hide in your humor when you find it impossible to support your views?

Science has mistakenly classified the sons of God (prehistoric people) as Humans.

Dad:>>People are people. You seem to be confusing people with apes.

The sons of God were NOT Apes but were the SAME physically as Humans (descendants of Adam) since they could produce offspring with each other. Gen 6:1-4 The sons of God (prehistoric people) evolved from the common ancestor of Apes because they were "created" by God (Trinity) on the 5th Day, from the water, Gen 1:21 just as "every living creature that moveth" was created.

They have Falsely believed that the common ancestor of Apes evolved into Humans. This is impossible scientifically, scripturally and historically, but today's scientists have REJECTED God's Truth in Genesis just as some religious people have. Amen?

Dad:>>Did you post as aman before? Anyhow, that is correct, man did not evolve from anything.

Correction: Humans (descendants of Adam) did NOT evolve since Humans were FIRST made on the 3rd Day, Gen 2:4-7 which was long before ANY other living creature which was created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day. Amen?

 

[davedajobauk]

No idea why you linked a verse about Joshua and the sun here. Perhaps you disbelieve God stopped the sun? Some have wondered how He did that. Well, too bad for them! Theirs is not to question why, theirs is but to do or die.

I have suspected that the area of the battle was transported beyond time and space we know. Forget the usual explanations of orbits or whatever! It also seems probable that not the whole planet but just that little area was involved.
So? Were you trying to lead to some point?


NOT if God exists and arranged for Scripture to be inspired! Your position therefore is one of unbelief founded on nothing at all.

You can make a Scripture case if you like, but that is God's beliefs!



No need. However, not all men and women were supposed to be identical clones of Adam! God has different personalities, traits, gifts and etc. There was also the nature change presumably after the flood, where it seems likely that what we know as genetics started! The genetics of the former state was probably quite different. Basically you are in no position to know. Act accordingly.


Now, (getting back to) that OP
False. The so called dating once it gets beyond the time this nature existed is not dating at all, but religious drivel dating.


Off course the rocks are not older than creation. Why dance all around to say something?

[/QUOTE]

Their age (best guess) is I am sure, no-less than, the age of the creation of, that sediment
Who, or what, made them, is, what is under discussion

Off course the rocks are not older than creation.

Your response, above, changes the intended meaning of 'my post'
deliberately steering the subject matter 'off-course'

Mainly [dissed] 'disquoted' (denounced) ~to maintain your status-quo (probably)

Oh well... Misreading and failing to grasp,
the mettle of suggestions is by no means, provision of factual answers
for again you rely upon and espouse your own beliefs

The scriptures, were inspired....
but as language DOES CHANGE,
(has changed) ie: Modern bibles ~contain 'reading-material'
that sounds nothing like, [per meaning] the language used, to write 'the scriptures'.
Many translators, undoubtedly disagreed 'the meanings' of many words and phrases
and whole chapters have been omitted from inclusion in versions of the modern bible
Again, this is not the intended purpose of the OP...

Such events and discrepancies are human faults and quite honestly,
detract from the intended meaning(s) of those, in the original scriptural texts
as a direct result, of those 'problematical translations'

Your repeated use, [mention] of a "past (changed)-nature", has no meaning, that I can construe
as being relevant, to the finding of those "stone tools" OR, whether, someone suggests
they were brought to earth by aliens as 'examples' ~to show Earth's inhabitants, is unimportant
with regard to answering the OP ( Who made them and when were they made ? )

Your 'present-nature' (post flood)
appears to deny the pre-existence of tool-making man (pre-flood)
inferring that all was made anew... and here, plainly, we see something 'buried'
pre-flood (?)
I do note: a failure to describe how and why they were found at that site ?

Back, when men thought, the world (their world) was flat,
how could anyone know that the flood covered the entire globe
and for such a short time (I guess perhaps it dropped off the edge )
enabling a receding of the waters,
such that mountains could again reappear above the waves


Creation took place pre-flood, [and the tools were 'used' @ 3 million years ago]
It is indeed ...'TIMING' and own differing opinions, that thwarts any possible agreement here

Perhaps it is the acceptance and understanding by some, of literal-reading vs. spiritual-reading

But, that must be a question for another day


You mentioned CLONES of Adam... I did not
My view is that of a single family, producing, all of the world's inhabitants
for centuries to follow

We all know what happens when folks 'inbreed' don't we ?

 

[davedajobauk]

No idea why you linked a verse about Joshua and the sun here. Perhaps you disbelieve God stopped the sun? Some have wondered how He did that. Well, too bad for them! Theirs is not to question why, theirs is but to do or die.

Where, in my post did you find these things > "No idea why you linked a verse about Joshua and the sun here."

God made us to follow Him
and 'to question everything that seemed not, to come from Him'

 

[Ben West]

dad said: ↑
No idea why you linked a verse about Joshua and the sun here. Perhaps you disbelieve God stopped the sun? Some have wondered how He did that. Well, too bad for them! Theirs is not to question why, theirs is but to do or die.

Dear Readers, Since Jesus is brighter than the Sun, He provided the light of the Sun after the Sun set. In New Jerusalem His glory or brightness provides the light for the Third Heaven. Rev 21:23 Jesus IS the Literal Light of the first Day. Gen 1:3
dad said: ↑
No idea why you linked a verse about Joshua and the sun here. Perhaps you disbelieve God stopped the sun? Some have wondered how He did that. Well, too bad for them! Theirs is not to question why, theirs is but to do or die.

Dear Readers, Since Jesus is brighter than the Sun, He provided the light of the Sun after the Sun set. In New Jerusalem His glory or brightness provides the light for the Third Heaven. Rev 21:23 Jesus IS the Literal Light of the first Day. Gen 1:3

 

[davedajobauk]

So, WHEN was the 'cretaceous period' in terms of BC
and, more importantly (it would seem) before Adam

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other...-dinosaur-has-been-found-in-canada/ar-AAcLrjg

 

[davedajobauk]

What about those stones ?

Mostly 'their clues' can be so mistaken
This 'species', has been around for a terribly long-time

http://www.sciencealert.com/a-rare-...cle&utm_medium=Website&utm_campaign=InArticle

Chlamydoselachus anguineus,
a rare species that's ancestory dates back 80 million years.

 

[dad]

Your response, above, changes the intended meaning of 'my post'
deliberately steering the subject matter 'off-course'

Nope. You didn't know how big the course was!

Oh well... Misreading and failing to grasp,
the mettle of suggestions is by no means, provision of factual answers
for again you rely upon and espouse your own beliefs

I grasp that so called science espouses beliefs and that your choice is to accept those over Scripture. Correct?

The scriptures, were inspired....
but as language DOES CHANGE,
(has changed) ie: Modern bibles ~contain 'reading-material'

You could have said that in Jesus' day. Yet He affirmed Moses and the prophests and the record we have! Gong!

Your repeated use, [mention] of a "past (changed)-nature", has no meaning,

Your claim of a same state past both has no meaning and no proof, and it opposes Christ to boot since He affirmed the scripture we have!

that I can construe
as being relevant, to the finding of those "stone tools" OR, whether, someone suggests
they were brought to earth by aliens as 'examples' ~to show Earth's inhabitants, is unimportant
with regard to answering the OP ( Who made them and when were they made ? )

Man made the tools. Obviously. The backtracking pussyfooting around that die hard evolutionists do to try to redeem the fallen dates is hilarious.

Your 'present-nature' (post flood)
appears to deny the pre-existence of tool-making man (pre-flood)
inferring that all was made anew... and here, plainly, we see something 'buried'
pre-flood (?)

To make sense of this you need to tell us what layer the tools were found in. Was it above the KT layer?

I do note: a failure to describe how and why they were found at that site ?

?? The OP tools were found by people on a dig.

Back, when men thought, the world (their world) was flat,
how could anyone know that the flood covered the entire globe

Prove they thought the world was flat.

Creation took place pre-flood, [and the tools were 'used' @ 3 million years ago]

Since my current guess is that the flood was around the KT layer, 3 million imaginary years means nothing.

My view is that of a single family, producing, all of the world's inhabitants
for centuries to follow

Adam had probably scads of grandkids and kids all of whom had babies actually. It was not just Adam and Eve making kids for centuries.

We all know what happens when folks 'inbreed' don't we ?

I do, you don't. When they inbred in Adam's day is was fine.

 

[dad]

dad said: ↑
No idea why you linked a verse about Joshua and the sun here. Perhaps you disbelieve God stopped the sun?

Still no idea why you cited a verse in Joshua?

 

[joshua 1 9]

I love it. Whenever dad is cornered by reality he always relies on magic.

My problem is I keep looking for magic and everything keeps ending up with a valid scientific explanation.

 

[dad]

So, WHEN was the 'cretaceous period' in terms of BC
and, more importantly (it would seem) before Adam

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other...-dinosaur-has-been-found-in-canada/ar-AAcLrjg

In terms of real time I suspect that the cretaceous ended before the flood. It likely lasted only centuries.

 

[davedajobauk]

In terms of real time I suspect that the cretaceous ended before the flood.
It likely lasted only centuries.

Was that before or after Adam and Eve got banned from playing in the garden ?