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[TheBarrd]

8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

What do you think this is saying?

 

[Frogster]

Abraham was promised a son.
I know that you know the story.

The blessing comes through Abraham's descendants...namely, Israel.
Jesus was not promised to the Gentiles, but to Israel...remember, they had already rejected God from the throne...

Now, I do not know why God chose the Jews instead of some other group of people, but He did. And He used them to bring Jesus to the world.
You can deny that all you like, but it doesn't change the fact.

lol..and law voids that promise...please post text..thanks!

Rom 4:13 For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if it is the adherents of the law who are to be the heirs, faith is null and the promise is void.

 

[Frogster]

8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

What do you think this is saying?

everyone knows the stones there are gentiles!

 

[Frogster]

God called uncircumcised Abe from his father's house...and, when God decreed it, Abe was circumcised.
I don't know what your problem with Judaism is...but, as I have said...take it up with God.

u ignore the emphatic..

Rom 4:10 How then was it counted to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised? It was not after, but before he was circumcised.

 

[TheBarrd]

You quoted Joel, yet at pentecost, the Spirit also, mostly spoke in a gentile tongues.

In Acts 2:22-36 there is one man speaking...Peter alone.
And all of those Gentiles understood him.
How do you suppose that could have been?

 

[TheBarrd]

everyone knows the stones there are gentiles!

Exactly.
God has made you a son of Abraham...

 

[Frogster]

Exactly.
God has made you a son of Abraham...

by faith, pre judaism.

 

[Frogster]

In Acts 2:22-36 there is one man speaking...Peter alone.
And all of those Gentiles understood him.
How do you suppose that could have been?

but did the Spirit speak in a gentile tongue?

 

[TheBarrd]

u ignore the emphatic..

Rom 4:10 How then was it counted to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised? It was not after, but before he was circumcised.

You do know that Jesus was circumcised, yes?
You know that He was Jewish? His mother was Jewish? He attended the synagogue?
And He kept the law.

I'm sure you did know these things...

 

[TheBarrd]

but did the Spirit speak in a gentile tongue?

I believe the Spirit spoke the original language that all men spoke before Babel.

 

[TheBarrd]

I don't get it. Why is it so important to you guys to reject the fact that Christianity is the logical outgrowth of Judaism?
You do know that the New Covenant, which you claim for yourself, was promised to Israel?
No one says that you must become Jewish, fevvinsakes...however, the truth is the truth. Without Judaism (as chosen by God), there would be no Christianity. God chose the Jews to bring Jesus to the world.

And now it is midnight...and I'm off to bed.
G'night!

 

[Frogster]

You do know that Jesus was circumcised, yes?
You know that He was Jewish? His mother was Jewish? He attended the synagogue?
And He kept the law.

I'm sure you did know these things...

yes, of course a Jewish man did, but what does that have to do with the church?

 

[Frogster]

I don't get it. Why is it so important to you guys to reject the fact that Christianity is the logical outgrowth of Judaism?
You do know that the New Covenant, which you claim for yourself, was promised to Israel?
No one says that you must become Jewish, fevvinsakes...however, the truth is the truth. Without Judaism (as chosen by God), there would be no Christianity. God chose the Jews to bring Jesus to the world.

And now it is midnight...and I'm off to bed.
G'night!

Gen 12:3 was not about judaism it was gentile inclusive, ALL nations..

good night..

 

[Elder 111]

please. are we saved by judaism>

heheheh..no!~

That is how you treat Jesus? His words means nothing to you?

 

[Elder 111]

Abraham got the gospel as a gentile for Gentiles in Gen 12:3, GAL 3:8, and Paul used pre circumcised Abe in Rom 4, so perhaps the 'getting over it" is for others who impose Judaism, not me!

How can the father of the Jews be a Gentles? Why would you believe that the root of the tree is mango roots and the tree banana? Only the rejection of truth leads to such errors.

 

[Elder 111]

But one is not a child of God because of being jewish...

Rom 9:8 This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring

Rom, 11: We are part of the same tree Israel.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

 

[TheBarrd]

Rom, 11: We are part of the same tree Israel.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

Goodness, Paul was also a Jew...don't these people know this?

 

[Winepress777]

I understand the scriptures in the OP perfectly. What I don't understand is how anyone could add their opinion contrariwise, just to support a sect of law keepers, who simply have only demonstrated "stumbling" here so far. The Old Covenant is the Law of Moses. No one but Jesus kept it. Then it was abolished, for that reason. Now we who are drawn by Jesus, have the NEW LAW written in our hearts. Not on stone, where it was impossible for a man to keep. But with the Spirit of Christ in me, of Him who keeps the Law, then by His Spirit, so also do I then, for we are ONE.
A New Covenant by the Spirit of Christ gives us the obedience to the Faith of Abraham. Nothing under the Law could or ever will be able to accomplish salvation, such a thought process is the stumblingblock. Jesus is the only Way.
It seems clear to me...

 

[TheBarrd]

yes, of course a Jewish man did, but what does that have to do with the church?

What did Jesus have to do with the church?
Uh...without Jesus, there would be no church.

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[Alithis]

im not sure what is the hope of the op, what is to be accomplished..? the grace of God leads us to christ and many come by many differing roads to finally arrive at the cross