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Do you not realize that it is through Israel that all the world is to be blessed?
I don't understand you guys...
Don't you realize that if there were no Judaism, there would be no Christianity?
Wasn't Jesus called "King of the Jews"? Why wasn't He called "King of the Gentiles"?
Yes, my little green friend...we are saved by Judaism.

Think about it.
 
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Did you know that the Jews had kicked God off of the throne long before Jesus' time?
Yep...you can read about it in 1Sam...chapter 8, I believe.
The Israelites wanted a king like the other nations had. Samuel went to God about it, and God told him that they were not rejecting him...rather they were rejecting God as their King. God told Samuel to tell the people what a human king would be like...and Samuel did. In fact, he went to some length about it.
But the people insisted, and you know the rest of the story.
Fast forward....Here He is, our Immanuel...God Incarnate...Jesus Christ. The Anointed One.
(By the way, look out for those who claim to have "a special anointing from God". Only Jesus ever had that.)

Jesus is the Son of God...given to the Jews, who rejected Him.
Mary was a young Jewess.
The Apostles...all but Philip...were Jews.
So, yes...you were saved by a Jew.
Get over it.
 
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Do you not realize that it is through Israel that all the world is to be blessed?
I don't understand you guys...
Don't you realize that if there were no Judaism, there would be no Christianity?
Wasn't Jesus called "King of the Jews"? Why wasn't He called "King of the Gentiles"?
Yes, my little green friend...we are saved by Judaism.

Think about it.
Nope. If it didn't have Judaism stamped on it would be something else. God isn't a Jew.

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here is who got the law...not gentiles, not the church!






The law WAS NOT GIVEN TO GENTILES!

Declared to who???? With no other nation, that would be Gentiles!

Psalm 147:19 He declares his word to Jacob, his statutes and rules to Israel.20 He has not dealt thus with any other nation; (gentiles mine) they do not know his rules.
Praise the LORD!


Who were the Sabbaths for? Who????

2 Chronicles 2:4 Behold, I am about to build a house for the name of the LORD my God and dedicate it to him for the burning of incense of sweet spices before him, and for the regular arrangement of the showbread, and for burnt offerings morning and evening, on the Sabbaths and the new moons and the appointed feasts of the LORD our God, as ordained forever for Israel.


Passover of the Gentiles, or Jews?


John 2:13
The Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

John 6:4
Now the Passover, the feast of the Jews, was at hand.

John 11:55
Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and many went up from the country to Jerusalem before the Passover to purify themselves


One had to be Jewish, circumcised to keep the feast.

Exodus 12:48
When a stranger sojourning with you wishes to keep the Passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it.

Not Gentiles! They were WITHOUT the law!

1 Cor 9:21 To those outside the law (gentiles mine) I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.


Rom 2:12 For all who have sinned without the law (gentiles mine)will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.


Lookie here, not with the FATHERS....the old cov, lol!


Deuteronomy5:3
Not with our fathers did the Lord make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive today.


Gentiles walked in THEIR WAYS, not Jewish ways.


Acts 14:16
In past generations he allowed all the nations (Gentiles) to walk in their own ways.

Acts 17:30The times of ignorance (Gentiles) God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent,


Peter said the ignorance word too, about gentiles, they were not under the law.1 Peter 1:14 As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance,


Look who got the law, the ISRAELITES!

Romans 9:4 They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises.
Worth repeating.

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All the world is blessed...through Isaac, the son of promise.
Now, you can quarrel with that if you like...once again, it was God's sovereign choice.
He didn't consult me about it...and I'm willing to bet He didn't ask you what you thought about His choice, either.
 
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Yes, the Old Covenant was made with Israel.
And the New Covenant was also promised to Israel.
So, if you reject the first on the grounds that it was given to the Jews...then you also reject the second.
Gentiles are grafted in...
Do read your Bible.
 
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Yes, the Old Covenant was made with Israel.
And the New Covenant was also promised to Israel.
So, if you reject the first on the grounds that it was given to the Jews...then you also reject the second.
Gentiles are grafted in...
Do read your Bible.
Sure, no problem. Read Peter's testimony about the conversion of Cornelius and Joel 2:28, 29.

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There is nothing in Acts 10 about the Sabbath.
We are told that Cornelius was "a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews" (v 22), and with no more information than that to go on, I have to believe that he would have at least known the ten commandments, including the Sabbath law, and very possibly kept the Sabbath himself.

Joel 2:28-29
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

Erm...what do these verses have to do with what we are discussing?
 
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Do you not realize that it is through Israel that all the world is to be blessed?
I don't understand you guys...
Don't you realize that if there were no Judaism, there would be no Christianity?
Wasn't Jesus called "King of the Jews"? Why wasn't He called "King of the Gentiles"?
Yes, my little green friend...we are saved by Judaism.

Think about it.
be blessed? But the blessing of the Spirit given to Abraham, had nothing to do with Judaism or being Jewish. How am i wrong?

gal 3::14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
 
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Did you know that the Jews had kicked God off of the throne long before Jesus' time?
Yep...you can read about it in 1Sam...chapter 8, I believe.
The Israelites wanted a king like the other nations had. Samuel went to God about it, and God told him that they were not rejecting him...rather they were rejecting God as their King. God told Samuel to tell the people what a human king would be like...and Samuel did. In fact, he went to some length about it.
But the people insisted, and you know the rest of the story.
Fast forward....Here He is, our Immanuel...God Incarnate...Jesus Christ. The Anointed One.
(By the way, look out for those who claim to have "a special anointing from God". Only Jesus ever had that.)

Jesus is the Son of God...given to the Jews, who rejected Him.
Mary was a young Jewess.
The Apostles...all but Philip...were Jews.
So, yes...you were saved by a Jew.
Get over it.
Abraham got the gospel as a gentile for Gentiles in Gen 12:3, GAL 3:8, and Paul used pre circumcised Abe in Rom 4, so perhaps the 'getting over it" is for others who impose Judaism, not me!:D
 
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Abraham was promised a son.
I know that you know the story.

The blessing comes through Abraham's descendants...namely, Israel.
Jesus was not promised to the Gentiles, but to Israel...remember, they had already rejected God from the throne...

Now, I do not know why God chose the Jews instead of some other group of people, but He did. And He used them to bring Jesus to the world.
You can deny that all you like, but it doesn't change the fact.
 
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The fact is that it doesn't have something else stamped on it.
God chose Israel.
I didn't choose the Jews, God did.
Now, you can argue with Him if you like.
Me, I'll just be grateful for the gift of God.
 
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It was God Who chose the Jews.
Argue with Him about it.
Paul called gentiles the 'elect". Hehehehe..Go gentiles go!:tutu:

Col 3:12 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering;

Rom 11:7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but
 
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Abraham was promised a son.
I know that you know the story.

The blessing comes through Abraham's descendants...namely, Israel.
Jesus was not promised to the Gentiles, but to Israel...remember, they had already rejected God from the throne...

Now, I do not know why God chose the Jews instead of some other group of people, but He did. And He used them to bring Jesus to the world.
You can deny that all you like, but it doesn't change the fact.
But one is not a child of God because of being jewish...

Rom 9:8 This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring
 
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There is nothing in Acts 10 about the Sabbath.
We are told that Cornelius was "a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews" (v 22), and with no more information than that to go on, I have to believe that he would have at least known the ten commandments, including the Sabbath law, and very possibly kept the Sabbath himself.

Joel 2:28-29
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

Erm...what do these verses have to do with what we are discussing?
You quoted Joel, yet at pentecost, the Spirit also, mostly spoke in a gentile tongues.
 
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God called uncircumcised Abe from his father's house...and, when God decreed it, Abe was circumcised.
I don't know what your problem with Judaism is...but, as I have said...take it up with God.
but Paul used PRE circumcised Abe in Rom 4, even for the jews to be saved in 4:12, take that up with God, and start posting TEXT please, I am tired of arguing with textless posts. Thanks!
 
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