Tools far pre date man, evolution theory kicked in face

[Doveaman]

What do you mean? Of course it matches the evolutionary timeframe. Their is no demand that no tool could be made before man came along. Your misinterpretation of the theory of evolution cannot be used against it. As others have shown you tool making and using is not a trait limited to man. Even ravens can make crude tools.

So prehistoric animals were smarter than modern animals?

Sounds like evolution working backwards.

 

[TLK Valentine]

So prehistoric animals were smarter than modern animals?

Sounds like evolution working backwards.

Why? Which way is evolution supposed to work, according to you?

 

[dad]

How am I supposed to believe your response when it doesn't make any sense in context?

Can you please try again?

OK, go make a tool like you claim chimps or some monkey thingie did.

 

[nonbeliever314]

I wonder who they think they can blame the tools on? Aliens? animals? Ha

The simple answer is that their imaginary dates are nonsense.

‘Predate humans’: Stone tools made 3.3mn years ago found in Kenya

http://rt.com/news/260625-oldest-stone-tools-humans/

Australopithecus afarensis could have possibly done it. Capuchin monkeys make primitive tools for cracking open nuts, and digging. If those tools are indeed 3+ million years old and are definitely confirmed to have been made that long ago, it definitely wasn't a Human. Since Australopithecus afarensis is one of our ancestors, I wouldn't put it past them to figure out how to make some sort of a primitive tool.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So prehistoric animals were smarter than modern animals?

Sounds like evolution working backwards.

No, many modern animals use tools too. You need to study a bit more biology.

 

[DogmaHunter]

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Yeah yeah, and some insects keep insect slaves. Bears stick a claw in an aunt hill and lick the army of ants that come up...etc.
Birds use sticks to build nests...

If you are just going to be intellectually dishonest about the significance of a non-human primate that PLANS for a hunting trip, PREPARES for it and MAKES TOOLS to make the hunt easier.....

Then there really is no reason for any of us to spend any more time on this conversation.

You asked me to give you an example of a chimp manufacturing a tool. I did exactly that.

You can either man up and rejoice at getting such an example, or you can be intellectually dishonest and pretend as if it doesn't mean anything.

You choose the latter, unsurprisingly.

If you didn't want such an example, you shouldn't have asked for it.

Shoving a stick stick what you might fit into a nest is hardly exceptional

It's not about shoving a stick down a nest (eventhough that by itself would also demonstrate a reasoning ability that is problematic for YEC ideas)
It's about:
- PLANNING
- PREPARATION
- TOOL MANUFACTURING

==> and doing all that IN ADVANCE to secure a succesfull hunt.

These are 3 things that a lot of people consider to be "human only" traits. Clearly, they aren't. Chimps do it to. That's extremely significant (to intellectually honest people).

Did you very see a monkey or chimp? They seem dumber than dogs to me.

Yeah, that doesn't mean much...
Meanwhile, every scientific study reveals that chimps are rather very smart.

Face it, man made the tools, flaked the stones etc.

I have just given you an example of a chimp doing exactly that.

You religious evos just can't face reality.

Says the guy who literally just brushed the reality of chimp toolmaking, planning and preparation for a huntint trip, to the side.

You're such a joke

 

[TLK Valentine]

OK, go make a tool like you claim chimps or some monkey thingie did.

Can you explain how your comment advances the conversation? I'm at a loss to understand your contribution to this discussion.

 

[davedajobauk]

Can you explain how your comment advances the conversation? I'm at a loss to understand your contribution to this discussion.

Dad... believes, he; is right
no-matter 'whatever' others may postulate
and is soon to find himself left behind, I shouldn't wonder
His replies to the contributions (of-others)
are 'gently-dismissive' of any opinion but, his own
~Is why, I withdrew from the topic

dave

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Dad... believes, he; is right
no-matter 'whatever' others may postulate

Do you think dad genuinely believes what he posts or is it just a game to see who takes the bait?

 

[davedajobauk]

Do you think dad genuinely believes what he posts or is it just a game to see who takes the bait?

We got up to Page 20
Try a re-read of this entire thread ~and then answer this rhetorical question ¬v

Does a leopard ever change it's spots ?

PS
take a 'hint' from the word he placed UNDER his avatar
~like... 'ambitious' or what ?

 

[Kylie]

Humans of course did. The dates are just hooey.

Or maybe they were used by the homonids that predated homo sapiens...?

 

[Givemeareason]

Why? Which way is evolution supposed to work, according to you?

The only reason creationism is viewed as having any credibility is when people like us are seen arguing with them. The fact that we do this makes others think there is credible reason that a creation myth written for a bunch of goat herders is scientifically valid today. Meanwhile real science ignores it.

Do you think dad genuinely believes what he posts or is it just a game to see who takes the bait?

 

[dad]

Australopithecus afarensis could have possibly done it.

So you do not know and simply grab a suspect animal. Nowthen, it seems there are few remains of this ancient man or beast. So we don't know much about it.

Since man evolved a lot after the flood, and we don't really know what we used to be like before that, you are basically in a grey area.

Capuchin monkeys make primitive tools for cracking open nuts, and digging. If those tools are indeed 3+ million years old and are definitely confirmed to have been made that long ago, it definitely wasn't a Human.

They aren't that old. The issue is not the baseless imaginary time godless evolutionists use, but showing that within their own dream world, they must claim man didn't make the tools. In real time I suspect the tools are about 4350 years old.

Since Australopithecus afarensis is one of our ancestors, I wouldn't put it past them to figure out how to make some sort of a primitive tool.

That is religious dreaming..total faith based. The tools were flaked so we are not talking about grabbing a stick from a banana tree here.

 

[dad]

No, many modern animals use tools too. You need to study a bit more biology.

It is a question of degree and style.

 

[dad]

Or maybe they were used by the homonids that predated homo sapiens...?

That would be either Post Flood Man, or some actual monkey type animal, that your religious system mistakes for ancestors of man. I assume that remains started to be left centuries after the flood, as our present nature came to exist, and we could start leaving remains. Therefore, if we see remains that are confusingly similar to modern present state man, that could be due to thew great changes we went through adapting. With so few fossils at first (it would be unusual to die before a few centuries) when we see a small set of bones that could be a young person of the post flood man type, that died an untimely death. Or, it could be some silly little ape or something.

 

[dad]

Can you explain how your comment advances the conversation? I'm at a loss to understand your contribution to this discussion.

Can you show you are saying something intelligent or involved in an actual conversation? Seems to me you just like to hear your own spam posts. Work on that.

 

[dad]

If you are just going to be intellectually dishonest about the significance of a non-human primate that PLANS for a hunting trip, PREPARES for it and MAKES TOOLS to make the hunt easier.....


You asked me to give you an example of a chimp manufacturing a tool. I did exactly that.

You mean you posted a video that was not verified as credible actual science, and subjecte3d to peer review? Or do you mean you posted a youtube video?

You can either man up and rejoice at getting such an example, or you can be intellectually dishonest and pretend as if it doesn't mean anything.

Did they flake rocks into tools? Focus.[/QUOTE]

 

[nonbeliever314]

So you do not know and simply grab a suspect animal. Nowthen, it seems there are few remains of this ancient man or beast. So we don't know much about it.

Since man evolved a lot after the flood, and we don't really know what we used to be like before that, you are basically in a grey area.




They aren't that old. The issue is not the baseless imaginary time godless evolutionists use, but showing that within their own dream world, they must claim man didn't make the tools. In real time I suspect the tools are about 4350 years old.

That is religious dreaming..total faith based. The tools were flaked so we are not talking about grabbing a stick from a banana tree here.

Are you a young earther?

 

[dad]

Are you a young earther?

Yes. The age of earth is a belief whether young or old. The only issue is what belief we chose.

 

[nonbeliever314]

Yes. The age of earth is a belief whether young or old. The only issue is what belief we chose.

It's not a belief. There are mountains of scientific evidence to back up the age of the earth.