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1Ki 3:24 And the king said, Bring me a sword. And they brought a sword before the king.
1Ki 3:25 And the king said, Divide the living child in two, and give half to the one, and half to the other.
1Ki 3:26 Then spake the woman whose the living child was unto the king, for her bowels yearned upon her son, and she said, O my lord, give her the living child, and in no wise slay it. But the other said, Let it be neither mine nor thine, but divide it.
1Ki 3:27 Then the king answered and said, Give her the living child, and in no wise slay it: she is the mother thereof.
1Ki 3:28 And all Israel heard of the judgment which the king had judged; and they feared the king: for they saw that the wisdom of God was in him, to do judgment.

I just re-visited this,... in this understanding of the soul/s...amazing I have a whole new and Living Word....
The real mother would rather give her child to another than it be divided....but "NOT" the false one....and so they are today...confused and divided....But the Truth is Not divided/not broken....
 
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In reference to the two kinds of knowledge (as it is for wisdom, and understanding) found in the day/light that one respectively eats it in (sixth or the seventh), is the same truth about a land (or kingdom) that is given as opposed to being labored for (which can be seen in picture as the land starting with Abram), the difference between man's day or the Lord's day (as John (in the embodiment of the revelation of Jesus Christ) being where he found himself in, though he had to turn to see which goes along way) ... what was forbidden in the old his people perish for the lack of in the new, the difference being the day. Man's day is day six, a labor to enter, the day symbolic of the bread of two days (which is seen in every picture of duality from cover to cover (whether it be two son's, fruits, or towers etc.), it is the portion of the firstborn, just as it is the keys of David (in one picture) or the inheritance of God (the entering into the rest or the great rest whereby he causes us to rest (or where the son of man lays his head) which is no less separated from God as this rest, then it is who we are (as self defined by our Father) that we are resting in, which all of is attached or not separated from knowledge which his people die or perish from the lack of (which like the blood (in the old) one is cut off forever as opposed to (in the new) if you don't drink you have no part in him (which one cannot have the one without the other (two). Who we were has to be cut off (or the city must fall), or we must be born again, or our husband (image of self to the soul) is dead (which is Jesus' prerequisites for being taught of Christ (picking up a cross), which is the equivalent of the saying being taught of the Father (the mind of Christ being the mind of God) which without this there remains a confusion of face, and is the testimony of the soul that is likened to a harlot, or a woman at a well who draws her own water that is outside of herself (one whose husband is not her own).
 
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I saw the light and behold when i saw the light it was darkness for it was a very bright light. I said unto God, your empty is your full and your full is your empty. and the angel said to me, see me, I am a divine creature of the Lords, he has made me from his own will and low, see how i veil myself and how I show myself to you. which is real then? I said to him, I do not understand what you are showing me, how is it that I who am standing in the dark can understand what is spoken in the dark? and then God who was holding me in his hand took me with his hand and put me in the light and he said to me, now look and see that which was hidden from you and see how that in reality I have many layers like an infinite clockwork and when one turns they all turn. this is the tapestry of my beloved who is forever and ever for I am forever and ever and I have made thee 43 this day.
 
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... now look and see that which was hidden from you and see how that in reality I have many layers like an infinite clockwork and when one turns they all turn ...

When a truth is revealed all other truths revealed take on the light of that truth; I saw this when I was very young in the Lord, the inner workings of a clock is how I use to describe it to other fellow travelers that I met along the way.
 
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Noxot said:
... now look and see that which was hidden from you and see how that in reality I have many layers like an infinite clockwork and when one turns they all turn ...

When a truth is revealed all other truths revealed take on the light of that truth; I saw this when I was very young in the Lord, the inner workings of a clock is how I use to describe it to other fellow travelers that I met along the way.

You cannot know truth until you are shown by God ... you know the lie
You cannot believe the truth until you are shown by God ... you believe a lie
You cannot enter into life until you are shown by God ... you are in death
You cannot enter in the light until you are shown by God ... you are in darkness
You cannot have understanding until you are shown by God ... you lack understanding
You cannot know what is of God until you are shown by God ... what is of man
You cannot know where you are going until you are shown by God ... where you are
You cannot be a Son until you are shown by God ... to be His adversary
You cannot ____________ until you are shown by God ... ____________________

Plug in any two opposing forces and His process is revealed in all of us, for this is the renewing of the mind, the exchange of life for life .... soul for soul

When you believe a lie to be true, even the truth becomes a lie to you

in which the same truth is: do not call evil good or good evil
 
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The light is the truth that is essential for us with which we would have valid hope and it is available just from revelation from Yahweh God. Christ coming and being fulfillment of prophecy for that gave total validity for it in providing clarity for it, with God's Spirit showing it in the gospel of Christ brought to us and drawing us to respond rightly to be restored to God in the redemption through Jesus Christ.
 
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Noxot said:
... now look and see that which was hidden from you and see how that in reality I have many layers like an infinite clockwork and when one turns they all turn ...



You cannot know truth until you are shown by God ... you know the lie
You cannot believe the truth until you are shown by God ... you believe a lie
You cannot enter into life until you are shown by God ... you are in death
You cannot enter in the light until you are shown by God ... you are in darkness
You cannot have understanding until you are shown by God ... you lack understanding
You cannot know what is of God until you are shown by God ... what is of man
You cannot know where you are going until you are shown by God ... where you are
You cannot be a Son until you are shown by God ... to be His adversary
You cannot ____________ until you are shown by God ... ____________________

Plug in any two opposing forces and His process is revealed in all of us, for this is the renewing of the mind, the exchange of life for life .... soul for soul

When you believe a lie to be true, even the truth becomes a lie to you

in which the same truth is: do not call evil good or good evil

If we are obedient to the first commandment ... ("And I know that his commandment is life everlasting") we eat freely of every tree (I see men as trees walking) of the garden (which is to say (in the law) of the mind) of Christ) the Jubilee of the land/fiftieth year, or Pentecost) we eat that which grows of itself, the feasts being present in the garden as much as they were a pattern Jesus walked moving back through them to a Passover, as an end declared from the beginning) or a restore to me the glory i had with you before the world was) which is the truth we are presently in having been here from the beginning ... where is our accusers, where is our adversary.
 
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The preaching of the kingdom of God is the preaching of the soul, and the issues that arise out of images that become seeds that are sown in a field (as it were), which the process of this duality is firstly in Jerusalem, or one’s own soul (which Jesus’ face was steadfastly set for even as this truth is the same truth that is the apple of God’s eye), until this is understood one remains snared by fowl who have not rested, which and can be seen in Abraham’s shewing away from his sacrifice (which causes a carrying away of the seed to Egypt (a deep sleep), and in picture a house that has been swept clean, or a ground of a garden prepared ( though in the house the seed/son (that is God, in the form of a word) was never planted.

The kingdom that had come to them (or what was up till now (the kingdom of God suffered violence, and the violent take it by force) was the truth that Jesus believed himself to be, the son of man who was the son of God (it was a truth fulfilled in their ears). It is the same kingdom appointed to us that is in us, as the perception given to us of our Father as to where we have come from, where we are, and who we are. It is not a pie in the sky, it is feet firmly planted on solid ground, there is no other foundation one can lay as self, the no other way to come to the Father.
 
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What seems deep to one is simple, or single to another, it is another form of the elder that serves the younger; every one of us are our brother’s keeper.

As simple as the eternal lake of fire = God's Spirit of Desire = His refining process = that none should perish, that all come to the knowledge of the truth
 
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God looks at the whole of humanity as one son, and each of us this individual son whom only he reveals hence, God/Christ the all in all; hidden in the moment that is a hiding of his face. To see him is to see yourself, a man cannot live, as a man cannot … pass over.
 
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