Tools far pre date man, evolution theory kicked in face

[AV1611VET]

So, if I were to ask Adam about his education, would he not remember actually learning his ABCs, or would he have an "embedded" memory of God sitting down with him and teaching him grammar, spelling, punctuation, etc...



So by Paul's own admission, he never actually read the works of Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John. (Of course, how could he? they weren't yet in print when he was doing his thing...)

Meaning, based on nothing but his own claim that God told him everything worth knowing, he went on to lead the Church in the direction of his (not necessarily His) choosing, as well as disagree with those Christians who had actually met and learned from Jesus (including Peter himself). Correct?

That being said, it means that Paul's motto would come out somewhat different from your own:

You: THE BIBLE SAYS IT, THAT SETTLES IT
Paul: THE BIBLE SAYS IT, BUT I DON'T NEED IT

LOL -- you worked hard on this one, didn't you?

Or did it come ... naturally?

 

[dad]

And then He changed it for no reason whatsoever.

Pray He doesn't feel so whimsical tomorrow.

He will change the universe soon. Easy peasy.

 

[dad]

No ..... it would be 'pre flood'

Concerning THEIR 'diet' (?) I wouldn't know (of-course!!)
and any guessing, would simply be presumptious, in the absence of evidence



The absence of evidence of human remain is evidence. Since it it is apparent no remains exist, therefore could likely exist in the former nature, we can deduce that if it was in the former state, there would BE NO REMAINS.

 

[pshun2404]

History as recorded by the Chaldean Priest Berosus from the 3rd or 4th century B.C. (not to be confused with pseudo-Berosus, a pseudipigraphic work composed long after his death alleged to be of his teaching)! The originals have been lost so what we do know is only from a handful of fragments and from quotations in the following witnesses to his three books:

• Abydenus, a disciple of Aristotle, the Greek philosopher and scientist of the 4th century BC. In that case, being younger that Aristotle, he must have been a contemporary of Berosus. His original writings have not survived, but he is quoted by Eusebius and Syncellus.
• Apollodorus, 2nd century BC. He was a student of Aristarchus of Alexandria, but he left that city about 146 BC, perhaps for Pergamon, and then he went to Athens. His original writings have not survived, but he is quoted by Eusebius and Syncellus.
• Alexander Polyhistor (c.105 - 35 BC), Greek philosopher, geographer and historian. He was imprisoned by the Romans in the war of Sulla against Mithridates of Pontus and brought as a slave to Rome for employment as a tutor. Then he was released and lived in Italy as a Roman citizen. His original writings have not survived, but he is quoted by Eusebius, Syncellus, Josephus, Atheneus and Clement of Alexandria.
• Flavius Josephus, the Jewish priest and historian (37/38 - 100 AD). Quotes from Alexander Polyhistor.

Berosus records, that allegedly the god Chronos (the Father of all time), appeared to the tenth king, in the succession of the kings of all the Earth who in their culture was named Xisuthras (our Noah). Mostly all cultures, the Akkadian and Summerian included, list ten kings to their Noah, some others only eight! So any way, Chronos tells the goodly king to build a giant boat. So Xisuthras builds a boat big enough to house his family and friends. Animals are on the boat with them. In order to determine the end of their flood ordeal, Xisuthras releases a series of birds. Finally, the last bird does not return, and the boat comes to rest on the Gordyan mountains of Armenia (what we now call the Mountains of Ararat).


According to Berosus, the remains of this magnificent ship of antiquity could still be seen in his time. Berosus’ history reveals something that further aggravates the Higher Critical School and the apostates that eat their fruit, he says Xithustras (Noah) had books (plural), and that he buried them at Sippur (lit. Booktown), and later he returned to retrieve them. So old King Xisuthras (Noah) had books before the flood came, I wonder if any were in his own handwriting? Hmmm! Perhaps some of his books were among the many we found there? The Archaeologists at Kish (Dr. Langdon), Fara (Dr. Schmidt), and Ur (Dr. Wooley), proved the possibility of this by having retrieved 100,000’s of examples of alleged pre-flood writings.


This confirms that men were communicating in written form, many years before this historical Noah figure. Among these they found tablets demonstrating math, law, epic poems, and much more. Berosus goes on to tell us that King Ashurbanipal, “loved to read the writings from before the flood“! So we now know that many written works not only survived the period, but were in the possession of individuals in the past, and were being read centuries before the “Scribes”. Was one the Book of the Generations of Adam?

I know this does not solve the riddle we speculate on but it is interesting...

In His love

Paul

 

[dad]

History as recorded by the Chaldean Priest Berosus from the 3rd or 4th century B.C. (not to be confused with pseudo-Berosus, a pseudipigraphic work composed long after his death alleged to be of his teaching)! The originals have been lost so what we do know is only from a handful of fragments and from quotations in the following witnesses to his three books:

• Abydenus, a disciple of Aristotle, the Greek philosopher and scientist of the 4th century BC. In that case, being younger that Aristotle, he must have been a contemporary of Berosus. His original writings have not survived, but he is quoted by Eusebius and Syncellus.
• Apollodorus, 2nd century BC. He was a student of Aristarchus of Alexandria, but he left that city about 146 BC, perhaps for Pergamon, and then he went to Athens. His original writings have not survived, but he is quoted by Eusebius and Syncellus.
• Alexander Polyhistor (c.105 - 35 BC), Greek philosopher, geographer and historian. He was imprisoned by the Romans in the war of Sulla against Mithridates of Pontus and brought as a slave to Rome for employment as a tutor. Then he was released and lived in Italy as a Roman citizen. His original writings have not survived, but he is quoted by Eusebius, Syncellus, Josephus, Atheneus and Clement of Alexandria.
• Flavius Josephus, the Jewish priest and historian (37/38 - 100 AD). Quotes from Alexander Polyhistor.

Berosus records, that allegedly the god Chronos (the Father of all time), appeared to the tenth king, in the succession of the kings of all the Earth who in their culture was named Xisuthras (our Noah). Mostly all cultures, the Akkadian and Summerian included, list ten kings to their Noah, some others only eight! So any way, Chronos tells the goodly king to build a giant boat. So Xisuthras builds a boat big enough to house his family and friends. Animals are on the boat with them. In order to determine the end of their flood ordeal, Xisuthras releases a series of birds. Finally, the last bird does not return, and the boat comes to rest on the Gordyan mountains of Armenia (what we now call the Mountains of Ararat).


According to Berosus, the remains of this magnificent ship of antiquity could still be seen in his time. Berosus’ history reveals something that further aggravates the Higher Critical School and the apostates that eat their fruit, he says Xithustras (Noah) had books (plural), and that he buried them at Sippur (lit. Booktown), and later he returned to retrieve them. So old King Xisuthras (Noah) had books before the flood came, I wonder if any were in his own handwriting? Hmmm! Perhaps some of his books were among the many we found there? The Archaeologists at Kish (Dr. Langdon), Fara (Dr. Schmidt), and Ur (Dr. Wooley), proved the possibility of this by having retrieved 100,000’s of examples of alleged pre-flood writings.


This confirms that men were communicating in written form, many years before this historical Noah figure. Among these they found tablets demonstrating math, law, epic poems, and much more. Berosus goes on to tell us that King Ashurbanipal, “loved to read the writings from before the flood“! So we now know that many written works not only survived the period, but were in the possession of individuals in the past, and were being read centuries before the “Scribes”. Was one the Book of the Generations of Adam?

I know this does not solve the riddle we speculate on but it is interesting...

In His love

Paul

All it confirms is that your dating is wrong and you don't even know it.

 

[TLK Valentine]

LOL -- you worked hard on this one, didn't you?

Or did it come ... naturally?

It came as a result of the education I received and can remember.

Did you learn how to avoid answering, or does it come... naturally?

 

[TLK Valentine]

He will change the universe soon. Easy peasy.

Tomorrow, perhaps? Maybe next Tuesday? Maybe in October?

You don't know, so how can you trust anything in the universe when God can turn it all on its ear at any given second?

And you don't know what He's going to turn it into either -- imagine how terrified all those folks were in Peleg's time when everything they thought they knew suddenly turned wrong. You think you can handle that kind of stress? Something tells me no.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Where did he learn it?

Oh, probably from the tree of knowledge of reading and writing. You don't think all the learning trees were mentioned in Genesis, do you?

 

[dad]

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Tomorrow, perhaps? Maybe next Tuesday? Maybe in October?

Why do you ask?

You don't know, so how can you trust anything in the universe when God can turn it all on its ear at any given second?

You thought I trusted the universe?

And you don't know what He's going to turn it into either -

We have a good idea.

- imagine how terrified all those folks were in Peleg's time when everything they thought they knew suddenly turned wrong.

.

I guess it was a shock to have to start building mass graves. Heard of Egypt?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

History as recorded by the Chaldean Priest Berosus from the 3rd or 4th century B.C. (not to be confused with pseudo-Berosus, a pseudipigraphic work composed long after his death alleged to be of his teaching)! The originals have been lost so what we do know is only from a handful of fragments and from quotations in the following witnesses to his three books:

• Abydenus, a disciple of Aristotle, the Greek philosopher and scientist of the 4th century BC. In that case, being younger that Aristotle, he must have been a contemporary of Berosus. His original writings have not survived, but he is quoted by Eusebius and Syncellus.
• Apollodorus, 2nd century BC. He was a student of Aristarchus of Alexandria, but he left that city about 146 BC, perhaps for Pergamon, and then he went to Athens. His original writings have not survived, but he is quoted by Eusebius and Syncellus.
• Alexander Polyhistor (c.105 - 35 BC), Greek philosopher, geographer and historian. He was imprisoned by the Romans in the war of Sulla against Mithridates of Pontus and brought as a slave to Rome for employment as a tutor. Then he was released and lived in Italy as a Roman citizen. His original writings have not survived, but he is quoted by Eusebius, Syncellus, Josephus, Atheneus and Clement of Alexandria.
• Flavius Josephus, the Jewish priest and historian (37/38 - 100 AD). Quotes from Alexander Polyhistor.

Berosus records, that allegedly the god Chronos (the Father of all time), appeared to the tenth king, in the succession of the kings of all the Earth who in their culture was named Xisuthras (our Noah). Mostly all cultures, the Akkadian and Summerian included, list ten kings to their Noah, some others only eight! So any way, Chronos tells the goodly king to build a giant boat. So Xisuthras builds a boat big enough to house his family and friends. Animals are on the boat with them. In order to determine the end of their flood ordeal, Xisuthras releases a series of birds. Finally, the last bird does not return, and the boat comes to rest on the Gordyan mountains of Armenia (what we now call the Mountains of Ararat).


According to Berosus, the remains of this magnificent ship of antiquity could still be seen in his time. Berosus’ history reveals something that further aggravates the Higher Critical School and the apostates that eat their fruit, he says Xithustras (Noah) had books (plural), and that he buried them at Sippur (lit. Booktown), and later he returned to retrieve them. So old King Xisuthras (Noah) had books before the flood came, I wonder if any were in his own handwriting? Hmmm! Perhaps some of his books were among the many we found there? The Archaeologists at Kish (Dr. Langdon), Fara (Dr. Schmidt), and Ur (Dr. Wooley), proved the possibility of this by having retrieved 100,000’s of examples of alleged pre-flood writings.


This confirms that men were communicating in written form, many years before this historical Noah figure. Among these they found tablets demonstrating math, law, epic poems, and much more. Berosus goes on to tell us that King Ashurbanipal, “loved to read the writings from before the flood“! So we now know that many written works not only survived the period, but were in the possession of individuals in the past, and were being read centuries before the “Scribes”. Was one the Book of the Generations of Adam?

I know this does not solve the riddle we speculate on but it is interesting...

In His love

Paul

OK, you have "proved" here that the flood of Noah did not alter typography, did not lay down vast new layers of sediment over things, and even allowed literature to survive from before the flood to after the flood.

Be sure hold all the other flood describers to this proven view of things. Don't let them get away with claiming the flood laid down vast deposits, created fossils, raised mountains . . .

And we are all wondering what language those pre-flood writings were written in. Can you let us know?

 

[davedajobauk]

And we are all wondering what language those pre-flood writings were written in. Can you let us know?

Probably Chinese

The Master said,
"The superior man seeks to perfect the admirable qualities of men,
and does not seek to perfect their bad qualities.
The mean man does the opposite of this.
Confucius. The Analects. ca. 500 B.C.E.

 

[TLK Valentine]

. Why do you ask?

Why don't you?

You thought I trusted the universe?

How can you trust anything or anybody -- including God?

We have a good idea.

You only think you do... but you can't trust anything you read, think, or believe -- it's all subject to change without notice.

I guess it was a shock to have to start building mass graves. Heard of Egypt?

Mass graves... is that the only change you can think of?

 

[dad]

Why don't you?



How can you trust anything or anybody -- including God?



You only think you do... but you can't trust anything you read, think, or believe -- it's all subject to change without notice.



Mass graves... is that the only change you can think of?

Why don't you?



How can you trust anything or anybody -- including God?



You only think you do... but you can't trust anything you read, think, or believe -- it's all subject to change without notice.



Mass graves... is that the only change you can think of?

Lifespans. Spirits used to to marry people. Trees grew in weeks. Planetary waters and land separated with no heat. That is not the nature we know now.

Why don't you?



How can you trust anything or anybody -- including God?



You only think you do... but you can't trust anything you read, think, or believe -- it's all subject to change without notice.



Mass graves... is that the only change you can think of?

 

[dad]

Lifespans. Spirits used to to marry people. Trees grew in weeks. Planetary waters and land separated with no heat. That is not the nature we know now.

 

[dad]

Probably Chinese

No. That That is That is likely post Babel, so therefore post flood.

 

[davedajobauk]

No. That That is That is likely post Babel, so therefore post flood.

As you may wish .....

Zi Gong asked about friendship.
The Master said, "Faithfully admonish your friend, and skillfully lead him on.
If you find him impracticable, stop. Do not disgrace yourself.
Confucius. The Analects. ca. 500 B.C.E.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Lifespans. Spirits used to to marry people. Trees grew in weeks. Planetary waters and land separated with no heat. That is not the nature we know now.

But it might be the nature we all learn about tomorrow -- and, just like the people in Peleg's time, everything we ever thought we knew goes out the window... only to be changed again a week, a month, a year later.

Under your paradigm, nothing is real, nothing can be trusted, nothing can be known from one day to the next... not even God.

Sounds like a formula for neuroses -- I can only imagine what that would do to someone who actually believed in such blather...

... OTOH, I don't have to imagine at all, do I?

 

[davedajobauk]

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

History as recorded by the Chaldean Priest Berosus from the 3rd or 4th century B.C. (not to be confused with pseudo-Berosus, a pseudipigraphic work composed long after his death alleged to be of his teaching)! The originals have been lost so what we do know is only from a handful of fragments and from quotations in the following witnesses to his three books:

• Abydenus, a disciple of Aristotle, the Greek philosopher and scientist of the 4th century BC. In that case, being younger that Aristotle, he must have been a contemporary of Berosus. His original writings have not survived, but he is quoted by Eusebius and Syncellus.
• Apollodorus, 2nd century BC. He was a student of Aristarchus of Alexandria, but he left that city about 146 BC, perhaps for Pergamon, and then he went to Athens. His original writings have not survived, but he is quoted by Eusebius and Syncellus.
• Alexander Polyhistor (c.105 - 35 BC), Greek philosopher, geographer and historian. He was imprisoned by the Romans in the war of Sulla against Mithridates of Pontus and brought as a slave to Rome for employment as a tutor. Then he was released and lived in Italy as a Roman citizen. His original writings have not survived, but he is quoted by Eusebius, Syncellus, Josephus, Atheneus and Clement of Alexandria.
• Flavius Josephus, the Jewish priest and historian (37/38 - 100 AD). Quotes from Alexander Polyhistor.

Berosus records, that allegedly the god Chronos (the Father of all time), appeared to the tenth king, in the succession of the kings of all the Earth who in their culture was named Xisuthras (our Noah). Mostly all cultures, the Akkadian and Summerian included, list ten kings to their Noah, some others only eight! So any way, Chronos tells the goodly king to build a giant boat. So Xisuthras builds a boat big enough to house his family and friends. Animals are on the boat with them. In order to determine the end of their flood ordeal, Xisuthras releases a series of birds. Finally, the last bird does not return, and the boat comes to rest on the Gordyan mountains of Armenia (what we now call the Mountains of Ararat).


According to Berosus, the remains of this magnificent ship of antiquity could still be seen in his time. Berosus’ history reveals something that further aggravates the Higher Critical School and the apostates that eat their fruit, he says Xithustras (Noah) had books (plural), and that he buried them at Sippur (lit. Booktown), and later he returned to retrieve them. So old King Xisuthras (Noah) had books before the flood came, I wonder if any were in his own handwriting? Hmmm! Perhaps some of his books were among the many we found there? The Archaeologists at Kish (Dr. Langdon), Fara (Dr. Schmidt), and Ur (Dr. Wooley), proved the possibility of this by having retrieved 100,000’s of examples of alleged pre-flood writings.


This confirms that men were communicating in written form, many years before this historical Noah figure. Among these they found tablets demonstrating math, law, epic poems, and much more. Berosus goes on to tell us that King Ashurbanipal, “loved to read the writings from before the flood“! So we now know that many written works not only survived the period, but were in the possession of individuals in the past, and were being read centuries before the “Scribes”. Was one the Book of the Generations of Adam?

I know this does not solve the riddle we speculate on but it is interesting...

In His love

Paul

Just to set the record straight, archaeologist Leanord Woolley never bought into the idea of a global flood.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Woolley

Woolley was one of the first archaeologists to propose that the flood described in the Book of Genesis was local after identifying a flood-stratum at Ur: "...400 miles long and 100 miles wide; but for the occupants of the valley that was the whole world".

 

[dad]

But it might be the nature we all learn about tomorrow -- and, just like the people in Peleg's time, everything we ever thought we knew goes out the window... only to be changed again a week, a month, a year later.

The coming new earth will not be a ramdom change. Neither was the changes God deemed fit in the past. Relax.

Under your paradigm, nothing is real, nothing can be trusted, nothing can be known from one day to the next... not even God.

All things change but Jesus, never.