Poll: Most Democrats Believe Illegal's Should Have Right to Vote

[OldWiseGuy]

80% is most.

Most is the comparatively greater number, whether by a few or many. Perhaps you are conflating most with much.

 

[morningstar2651]

Most is the comparatively greater number, whether by a few or many. Perhaps you are conflating most with much.

This country is 49% male and 51% female.

Would you say that "Most Americans are females"?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

This country is 49% male and 51% female.

Would you say that "Most Americans are females"?

That would be literally correct. The term is used in a comparative sense, not a superlative sense. Most often most simply means more than.

 

[morningstar2651]

That would be literally correct. The term is used in a comparative sense, not a superlative sense. Most often most simply means more than.

No, it doesn't. We can't discuss anything numerical if you insist on redefining the words we use.

It would be an outright lie to say that most Americans are female.

It would be accurate to say that about half of Americans are female.

 

[Vylo]

No, it doesn't. We can't discuss anything numerical if you insist on redefining the words we use.

It would be an outright lie to say that most Americans are female.

It would be accurate to say that about half of Americans are female.

But most Americans are female......

 

[Veritas]

Immigrants in the US are actually less likely to commit crimes than native-born citizens, partly because they have everything to lose. In the case of undocumented immigrants, the last thing they want to do is attract the attention of the authorities. Furthermore, Mexicans have one of the lowest rates of incarceration among foreign-born Hispanic males in the United States.

I think you're comparing apples to oranges. We're talking about illegal immigrants and not just from Mexico. Fact is, illegals commit crime at higher rates than citizens. Under Obama, they don't have much to be afraid of.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

I think you're comparing apples to oranges. We're talking about illegal immigrants and not just from Mexico. Fact is, illegals commit crime at higher rates than citizens. Under Obama, they don't have much to be afraid of.

They do? The illegals must mostly come in from europe then, because whites have the highest arrest number.

 

[Maynard Keenan]

That's quite a silly question... no non-citizen can vote, whether documented or undocumented.

 

[NightHawkeye]

That's quite a silly question... no non-citizen can vote, whether documented or undocumented.

Not so silly. It has been documented that upwards of 10% of illegal aliens do vote. (Hint: There's a reason they're referred to as illegal.)

Noting further than many states facilitate such illegal voting by refusing to implement voter ID.

 

[Vylo]

Not so silly. It has been documented that upwards of 10% of illegal aliens do vote. (Hint: There's a reason they're referred to as illegal.)

Noting further than many states facilitate such illegal voting by refusing to implement voter ID.

Uh, documented by whom?

 

[Maynard Keenan]

Not sure where the numbers come from, but the Harvard Cooperative Congressional Election Survey found that 6.4% of all non-citizens (not just undocumented aliens, all non-citizens) voted in 2008, 2.2% in 2010, and that 3/4 of those asked for ID were still allowed to vote. Voter ID doesn't stop registration fraud or registration errors. If you want to stop non-citizen voting, then we need better systems for verifying that a person registering is actually eligible to register.

 

[TheBear]

I did too. The ink was hardly dry when my country suspended my constitutional rights. Oh the irony.

Were you forced to join - ordered by a judge to either jail or military? Were you honorably discharged or was it something else? How long were you in? What was your MOS? Did you complete basic training? I ask these questions because what you say raises red flags.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Were you forced to join - ordered by a judge to either jail or military? Were you honorably discharged or was it something else? How long were you in? What was your MOS? Did you complete basic training? I ask these questions because what you say raises red flags.

Your questions make me think you aren't familiar with the Universal Code of Military Justice (U.C.M.J). Every member of the armed forces comes under the U.C.M.J, which does suspend many constitutional rights. Soldiers get to defend rights that they themselves don't have, thus the irony.

 

[TheBear]

Your questions make me think you aren't familiar with the Universal Code of Military Justice (U.C.M.J). Every member of the armed forces comes under the U.C.M.J, which does suspend many constitutional rights. Soldiers get to defend rights that they themselves don't have, thus the irony.

You didn't know that going into it?

 

[TheBear]

Did you think that when the Commander in Chief ordered a military action, the troops got to vote on it?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You didn't know that going into it?

Of course not.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Did you think that when the Commander in Chief ordered a military action, the troops got to vote on it?

I always assumed I'd get shot if I didn't obey an order in wartime. No U.C.M.J needed.

 

[TheBear]

What branch were you in? How long did you serve?

 

[TheBear]

I always assumed I'd get shot if I didn't obey an order in wartime. No U.C.M.J needed.

Well, if you didn't obey orders to clean the latrine, I don't think you'd get shot for that. On the other hand, if you intentionally give your position away to the enemy, and as a result people in your platoon get killed, well, that's another story altogether.

 

[TheBear]

Or, are you talking about being shot by enemy fire?