How many dozens of Christians did creationism drive away this past hour?

[Oncedeceived]

You are leaving out a lot of people.



Like I said, you are turning a deaf ear. You invent reasons that people are leaving instead of really listening to them.



All we have is your say so.


You are the one making the claim. You check it.

Christianity is growing in other countries and declining here:

https://discipleallnations.wordpres...es-where-christianity-is-growing-the-fastest/

 

[Loudmouth]

It might be more instructive to get the story from the horse's mouth, as it were. The following article was written by someone who became an atheist after they were shown how wrong creationism is.

"As I accepted evolution, I watched everything I had ever known crumble at my feet. I had been taught that the truth of the Bible rested on young earth creationism. Now that that foundation was gone, I had no idea what to do with the Bible. How could I trust it? How could I believe in it? How could I interpret it? But on the other hand, how could I give it up? My entire life centered on Christ and I found my entire value in what I meant to Jesus. Without my relationship with God, my life was nothing. "
Read more: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/04/29/why-i-am-an-atheist-libby-anne/#ixzz3aEH5GlUi

What is interesting is that Dr. Georgia Purdom over at Answers in Genesis thought it necessary to make a few comments:

https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/...ers-in-genesis-and-libbys-journey-to-atheism/

Ken Ham also made a few comments:

https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/ken-ham/2012/05/06/need-more-than-just-exposure/

Libby Anne, the girl who had creationism drive her to atheism, tore them apart with this response:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2012/05/rebutting-ken-hams-response.html

Basically, Ken Ham and AiG argued that Libby just didn't believe creationism hard enough. Instead of being forthright and honest about the lies that they peddle, AiG said that she should have believed the lies really really hard. That seems to be a common response.

 

[Loudmouth]

Christianity is growing in other countries and declining here:

https://discipleallnations.wordpres...es-where-christianity-is-growing-the-fastest/

The question is whether creationism is growing within christianity. Also, it doesn't change the reason that some people are leaving.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Evidence is not what you decide you want to call something actually.

Now, for theistic evolutionists I have a question.

1) How did man evolve first and later woman as the bible says man was first?

I am not a theistic evolutionist but I interpret Genesis 2 as the spiritual first man and woman. I believe that when Cain was sent out that he married from the non-spiritual humans that were an evolved species. Some of the church feel he married a sister but that does not go with Scripture. Adam and Eve conceived Cain and Abel but no mention is made of any other siblings and Cain feared being sent out among them and thought he would be killed. That is how I see it anyway.

 

[bhsmte]

It might be more instructive to get the story from the horse's mouth, as it were. The following article was written by someone who became an atheist after they were shown how wrong creationism is.

"As I accepted evolution, I watched everything I had ever known crumble at my feet. I had been taught that the truth of the Bible rested on young earth creationism. Now that that foundation was gone, I had no idea what to do with the Bible. How could I trust it? How could I believe in it? How could I interpret it? But on the other hand, how could I give it up? My entire life centered on Christ and I found my entire value in what I meant to Jesus. Without my relationship with God, my life was nothing. "
Read more: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/04/29/why-i-am-an-atheist-libby-anne/#ixzz3aEH5GlUi

What is interesting is that Dr. Georgia Purdom over at Answers in Genesis thought it necessary to make a few comments:

https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/...ers-in-genesis-and-libbys-journey-to-atheism/

Ken Ham also made a few comments:

https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/ken-ham/2012/05/06/need-more-than-just-exposure/

Libby Anne, the girl who had creationism drive her to atheism, tore them apart with this response:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2012/05/rebutting-ken-hams-response.html

Basically, Ken Ham and AiG argued that Libby just didn't believe creationism hard enough. Instead of being forthright and honest about the lies that they peddle, AiG said that she should have believed the lies really really hard. That seems to be a common response.

You know how it goes; if you want to know how someone thinks or feels, just ask them to explain. If you don't like what they say, then tell them how they really feel.

 

[SkyWriting]

As many of us here know, Barna research* has shown that the denial of scientific data about reality is one of main reasons ex-Christians give for why they left Christianity. A major (perhaps biggest) source of this reality denial in churches is creationism.
Now we have data as to how many people are leaving Christianity in the US.

That's only because of the new religion preaching that science fiction stories about the past are "reality."
The reality is that people think this is true. But it's not true.

 

[Loudmouth]

That's only because of the new religion preaching that science fiction stories about the past are "reality."
The reality is that people think this is true. But it's not true.

What do you think happens when they find out that the evidence for evolution is real, and that they have been lied to by people within the church?

 

[Oncedeceived]

What many people don't realise that the Catholic Church doesn't agree with creationism, but rather that God created an incalcuably old universe with infinitely more complexity than people once believed thousands of years ago. We know the world is not flat, is older than 6000 years, the heaven is not "above the sky" and the stars are not heaven showing through. We also know that the first part of Genesis has creation parables that explain God and were never intended to be literal history. The only country (as far as I am aware) where a large percetage of Christians believe in a young Earth is America.

And as for Revelations, we also know that it was never intended to be about foretelling the end of the world - it was an open letter to seven churches who were all going through hard times, and the letter contained parables and imagery for that audience to let them know that things would get better. Other parables that some people insist are literal truths are Job and Lazarus, despite what we know about the writers, their audience and what the writer wanted to teach them (something that all bible theologians are taught to discover so they can learn the true meaning of the texts).

Many do realize that the Catholic Church doesn't agree with many of the fundamental beliefs of Christianity. Revelations was in fact the foretelling of the end of the world. Other Scriptures reinforce that it is.

 

[SkyWriting]

I'll restate an earlier comment I made you may have missed. "If one has to misrepresent science to support one's religious beliefs, then what does that say about those beliefs?"

Science is already misrepresenting itself as not being a religion.
It fits nearly every definition of one, except it leans toward democracy.
But so do many churches.

 

[Loudmouth]

Science is already misrepresenting itself as not being a religion.

What do you think happens to christians when they find out that science really isn't a religion and that they were being misled by their fellow christians.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Christianity is growing in mostly third world countries. In advanced countries, it has been continuing to decline for decades.

Yes. I know your stance. However, this goes along with the prophecy that people will fall away in the end of times. They will worship the created rather than the Creator.

 

[Loudmouth]

Many do realize that the Catholic Church doesn't agree with many of the fundamental beliefs of Christianity. Revelations was in fact the foretelling of the end of the world. Other Scriptures reinforce that it is.

How can young earth creationism be a fundamental belief when it is not found in the Nicene Creed? The Creed says that God is the creator, but it never requires a literal Genesis or any of the other requirements that creationists put on the Bible.

 

[RickG]

Science is already misrepresenting itself as not being a religion.
It fits nearly every definition of one, except it leans toward democracy.
But so do many churches.

How is science a religion? What does it worship?

 

[Loudmouth]

Yes. I know your stance. However, this goes along with the prophecy that people will fall away in the end of times. They will worship the created rather than the Creator.

And when Jesus doesn't come, will we be able to say that the Bible is false?

 

[Oncedeceived]

You could make the same argument for every single religion. You don't believe in Zeus because you don't have a relationship with Zeus. You aren't muslim because you don't have a relationship with Allah. It smells an awful lot like a post hoc rationalization.

No one claimed a relationship with Zeus. Can you provide any writings of anyone making that claim? I've said this before, Muslims do not have contact with Allah. They don't fell they are deserving of it and to claim that they have contact with Him goes against their religion. You just don't understand their religion.

 

[Loudmouth]

No one claimed a relationship with Zeus. Can you provide any writings of anyone making that claim? I've said this before, Muslims do not have contact with Allah. They don't fell they are deserving of it and to claim that they have contact with Him goes against their religion. You just don't understand their religion.

People reported direct interactions with Zeus. How is that not a relationship?

 

[Oncedeceived]

Yea. You have to know God exists to keep being a Christian?

Who would have thunk it?

If you don't that God exists and you claim to be a Christian, you had better be asking for that confirmation.

 

[bhsmte]

And when Jesus doesn't come, will we be able to say that the Bible is false?

And by the way, the fact that Christianity has been declining in most advanced countries for decades and mostly growing only in third world countries, is not my stance, it is what the date shows.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Aren't you in a "relationship"? Does your husband/boyfriend need to write an autobiography for you to know about him?

I knew God existed prior to becoming a Christian. God was the one who Claimed He was the Christian God.

 

[Loudmouth]

If you don't that God exists and you claim to be a Christian, you had better be asking for that confirmation.

Libby Anne believed in God and reported that she had a relationship with God. That all fell apart because of the creationism she was taught as a child, and how it was dismantled when it came face to face with reality.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/04/29/why-i-am-an-atheist-libby-anne/