Is Scripture MISSING Dogmas? (2)

[James Is Back]

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Folks you need to stop with the personal attacks. Address the post, not the poster and refrain from flaming/goading each other,otherwise this thread will be locked.

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[Root of Jesse]

And look at you, getting all personal because of simply repeating what you said.

Don't expect to say the absolutely ridiculous things that you say without them being repeated... like how that Christ only lasts 15 minutes in your body.

Because that is ridiculous.. and it's even more ridiculous that men like you believe this nonsense.

Maybe your salvation is like GEICO and 15 minutes could save you..

Repeating something verbatim is one thing, repeating some portion and mischaracterizing is another.
What I was saying is that what you're insinuating-that Christ passes through our bowel, according to our belief-is wrong.
I believe what Jesus told us-that we MUST eat his flesh and drink his blood to have eternal life. I believe that, since he said this, he meant it, and gave us the means to do it.
You should lay off the salvation thing-I'm still working on mine...the way Christ wanted us to.

 

[ThatTrueLight]

Repeating something verbatim is one thing, repeating some portion and mischaracterizing is another.

I said that it was too bad that it only lasted 15 minutes and it reminded me of how geico can save people money in 15 minutes.. sorry if you feel mischaracterized.

What I was saying is that what you're insinuating-that Christ passes through our bowel, according to our belief-is wrong.

You only get to have God in your digestive tract for 15 minutes.. I understand now. Let's hope nobody has ever gotten sick before the 15 minutes was up or something dreadful like that.

I believe what Jesus told us-that we MUST eat his flesh and drink his blood to have eternal life. I believe that, since he said this, he meant it, and gave us the means to do it.

Even though the Apostle to the Gentiles said that although we have known Christ in the flesh, that we no longer know Christ after the flesh?

Why would you be eating His flesh if we're told to no longer think of Him in the flesh?

You should lay off the salvation thing-I'm still working on mine...the way Christ wanted us to.

Do you believe that eating God saves you?

 

[BobRyan]

Repeating something verbatim is one thing, repeating some portion and mischaracterizing is another.
What I was saying is that what you're insinuating-that Christ passes through our bowel, according to our belief-is wrong.
I believe what Jesus told us-that we MUST eat his flesh and drink his blood to have eternal life. I believe that, since he said this, he meant it, .

He said that in John 6 - and not even Peter "bites Christ" in John 6.

It was totally symbolic.

In John 6 He said he was also bread that came floating down from heaven - symbolic - or do you think that was what Peter was seeing just then?

John 6 "literal flesh is worthless - it is my WORDS that have spirit and life"

Did Peter take that lesson literally in John 6? It looks like he did.

Matt 16 - Christ hammers the disciples for taking the symbol of bread --- too literally.

Christ is right on this one.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[fhansen]

He said that in John 6 - and not even Peter "bites Christ" in John 6.

It was totally symbolic.

In John 6 He said he was also bread that came floating down from heaven - symbolic - or do you think that was what Peter was seeing just then?

John 6 "literal flesh is worthless - it is my WORDS that have spirit and life"

Did Peter take that lesson literally in John 6? It looks like he did.

Matt 16 - Christ hammers the disciples for taking the symbol of bread --- too literally.

Christ is right on this one.

in Christ,

Bob

So Christ allowed followers to depart from Him just because they weren't sharp enough to get His literary device????

 

[Albion]

So Christ allowed followers to depart from Him just because they weren't sharp enough to get His literary device????

Of course it's what that device was getting at that matters, but yes, he often did what you think he wouldn't do. Consider the case of Nicodemus who didn't get the idea of being born again...or the rich man who was told to give it all up and follow the Messiah. Jesus didn't argue with them or reason with any of them until they got his meaning right.

 

[Root of Jesse]

I said that it was too bad that it only lasted 15 minutes and it reminded me of how geico can save people money in 15 minutes.. sorry if you feel mischaracterized.



You only get to have God in your digestive tract for 15 minutes.. I understand now. Let's hope nobody has ever gotten sick before the 15 minutes was up or something dreadful like that.



Even though the Apostle to the Gentiles said that although we have known Christ in the flesh, that we no longer know Christ after the flesh?

Why would you be eating His flesh if we're told to no longer think of Him in the flesh?



Do you believe that eating God saves you?

I'm going to ignore most of what you've written, because it makes no sense how you criticize others' faith. Why not pay attention to the log in your own eye? Why worry about someone else's splinter?

We eat Christ's flesh because he told us to do so in order to have eternal life. You don't wanna believe what He told us, please, feel free.

 

[Root of Jesse]

He said that in John 6 - and not even Peter "bites Christ" in John 6.

It was totally symbolic.

In John 6 He said he was also bread that came floating down from heaven - symbolic - or do you think that was what Peter was seeing just then?

John 6 "literal flesh is worthless - it is my WORDS that have spirit and life"

Did Peter take that lesson literally in John 6? It looks like he did.

Matt 16 - Christ hammers the disciples for taking the symbol of bread --- too literally.

Christ is right on this one.

in Christ,

Bob

I agree with your last statement, just not your interpretation of events-I take Christ at his word, especially when he intensifies what he says with "Amen, Amen, I say to you..." which means "I'm speaking literally here."

As for Peter biting Christ, the Eucharist was to be instituted after Christ died, in fact, all the Sacraments were instituted after Christ died, because the Holy Spirit is invoked in every Sacrament.

 

[ThatTrueLight]

I'm going to ignore most of what you've written, because it makes no sense how you criticize others' faith. Why not pay attention to the log in your own eye? Why worry about someone else's splinter?

This is all you have, personal attacks? You criticize everyone's faith when you push the ridiculous lies here that the men in your assembly are above error.

All the while believing that some guy in your church turns bread into God and then you all eat Him and pass God through your digestive system for at least 15 minutes..

Once again, let's hope that no person has ever gotten sick before that 15 minutes expired.. then what?

We eat Christ's flesh because he told us to do so in order to have eternal life. You don't wanna believe what He told us, please, feel free.

If it was the only verse in the bible then maybe.. although there are other very clear portions of scripture which teach us plainly that WE are the body of Christ and that we no longer know Christ after the flesh.

Evidently the infallible men in your assembly ignored that part.

 

[tadoflamb]

John 6 "literal flesh is worthless - it is my WORDS that have spirit and life"

If we were to accept your personal interpretation of scripture it would also render the sacrifice of Christ on the cross worthless as well.

It's not Christ's flesh which 'profits nothing' but our own.

 

[Souldier]

If we were to accept your personal interpretation of scripture it would also render the sacrifice of Christ on the cross worthless as well.

It's not Christ's flesh which 'profits nothing' but our own.

When Christ said the flesh profits nothing, wasn't he referring to His flesh? He told them they needed to eat his flesh, then they asked "why does this man give us flesh to eat?" then he said that the flesh profits nothing, he said the words that he speaks is spirit and life. This however doesn't take away from Christs blood atonement or sacrifice. And ultimately his real sacrifice was that he became a servant. He was equal to God yet became a servant. He served not just with blood alone, but he endured reproach as well. That must have hurt him deeply. He gave up his life for us in every way.

 

[tadoflamb]

When Christ said the flesh profits nothing, wasn't he referring to His flesh? He told them they needed to eat his flesh, then they asked "why does this man give us flesh to eat?" then he said that the flesh profits nothing, he said the words that he speaks is spirit and life. This however doesn't take away from Christs blood atonement or sacrifice. And ultimately his real sacrifice was that he became a servant. He was equal to God yet became a servant. He served not just with blood alone, but he endured reproach as well. That must have hurt him deeply. He gave up his life for us in every way.

Again, if it's His own flesh He's referring to, then how doesn't that render the sacrifice on the Cross as worthless as well? You can't have it both ways. And notice, that after pronouncing the radical dogma of the Real Presence that many disciples left and Jesus didn't go chasing after them saying, "Wait, wait, I was speaking metaphorically!"

Jesus left Himself with us in the Eucharist. It's how we are joined to him on a daily basis. I'm sure He's saddened at how many have rejected this most marvelous gift.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Of course it's what that device was getting at that matters, but yes, he often did what you think he wouldn't do. Consider the case of Nicodemus who didn't get the idea of being born again...or the rich man who was told to give it all up and follow the Messiah. Jesus didn't argue with them or reason with any of them until they got his meaning right.

No, he explained himself to Nicodemus. He allowed the rich man to walk away, too.

 

[Root of Jesse]

This is all you have, personal attacks? You criticize everyone's faith when you push the ridiculous lies here that the men in your assembly are above error.

All the while believing that some guy in your church turns bread into God and then you all eat Him and pass God through your digestive system for at least 15 minutes..

Once again, let's hope that no person has ever gotten sick before that 15 minutes expired.. then what?



If it was the only verse in the bible then maybe.. although there are other very clear portions of scripture which teach us plainly that WE are the body of Christ and that we no longer know Christ after the flesh.

Evidently the infallible men in your assembly ignored that part.

I have not attacked anyone. I asked you why you don't pay attention to your own faith rather than sitting there and laughing and criticizing someone else's.

Your mischaracterizations are...wrong.

 

[Souldier]

Again, if it's His own flesh He's referring to, then how doesn't that render the sacrifice on the Cross as worthless as well? You can't have it both ways. And notice, that after pronouncing the radical dogma of the Real Presence that many disciples left and Jesus didn't go chasing after them saying, "Wait, wait, I was speaking metaphorically!"

Jesus left Himself with us in the Eucharist. It's how we are joined to him on a daily basis. I'm sure He's saddened at how many have rejected this most marvelous gift.

Its difficult to understand i admit. However when He said the flesh profits nothing he was talking about His flesh.




Hebrews 11:16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,”[c] 17 then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”[d] 18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.
9 Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh,


John 6:43 Jesus therefore answered and said to them, “Do not murmur among yourselves. 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.

1 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”

52 The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?”

53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is food indeed,[h] and My blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.
63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

 

[Souldier]

Its the spirit who gives life

 

[Souldier]

Hebrwes 11:9 Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh,


John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

 

[Souldier]

through the veil, that is, His flesh,

The veil was torn, the veil was his flesh. If i understand correctly.

 

[ThatTrueLight]

I have not attacked anyone.

Of course not.. your constant glorying in your own self proclaimed one true church is wonderful edification for all here.

 

[fhansen]

Of course it's what that device was getting at that matters, but yes, he often did what you think he wouldn't do. Consider the case of Nicodemus who didn't get the idea of being born again...or the rich man who was told to give it all up and follow the Messiah. Jesus didn't argue with them or reason with any of them until they got his meaning right.

I think the rich man understood quite well. And Jesus did explain the meaning-as best as possible, to Nicodemus. If He was speaking strictly in symbolic terms in John 6 He could've at least said something like. "Hey, guys, don't take it so seriously; I wasn't really talking about eating my flesh and drinking my blood; I was speaking of "heavenly things", as I confided to Nicodemus. Besides, I thought you believed in the real presence?