It was fun. It is starting to get tiresome to be constantly told you didn't answer a question you most clearly did answer and when you repeat the same answer to be flamed for giving the same answer!
I question his citizenship because I found the court ruling on the issue suspicious. I'm saying they didn't look into the matter and say, "of course it is legit" or look at the matter and say, "we don't find anything to question" or something like that, instead they dismissed the case for lack of harm, when harm is done every single time the constitution is not upheld.
Conspiracy? why would that be conspiracy not just poor informed or misinformed judges?
Could be that they just had a bad day, or that they didn't know how else to get things moving on the tight schedule they had...
I don't know why they voted as they did, but not upholding the constitution is harming everyone in the USA and that is when I got suspicious, maybe they were bought and paid for, how would I know?
still waiting for you to address the reputation of doing an event for the KKK or the Nazi groups...when you answer I will answer your questions
Asked and answered. But, since I am a nice guy, I will answer again.
The baker would not be obligated to decorate the cake in a manner that would display hate speech, or make derogatory comments towards a group of people, but they are expected to sell the cake, to any customer, willing to pay.
Is that clear?
Now, to my questions:
-please give a specific example to support your claim that gays are infringing on the rights of Christians?
-Also, are you one who believes, religious freedoms granted by the constitution, are to be considered; limitless freedoms? Yes, or no?
since that isn't the question on the table, it seems that you are the one that keeps missing it.
the question on the table is do they have the right to refuse to bake a cake for the event. consider how many people will look at the cake, taste the cake and say, wow, that is so pretty, so tasty where did you get the cake from? My name is on the cake no matter if I write it there or not. Even after the event, someone from the event says, we are going to do this again, I want the name of your baker...once again, your name is on the cake.
So do I have the right to refuse to allow my name to be associated with, in the one example the KKK or the Nazi's? in another example with the same criteria, a church event in which gays will be bashed?
You talked about derogatory comments and hate speech, but left out anything about commemorating a homosexual union. That should be part of it too.
Like I said, that wasn't my issue, so I'm not sure what you want to talk about on the matter.
And this would harm the baker's reputation how? Anyone attending a gay wedding is not going to hold it against the business owner for baking a cake for it!
It can harm the baker's reputation within the Christian community. We are to abstain from catering to, facilitating, or in any way promoting something we see as sin.
It can harm the baker's reputation within the Christian community. We are to abstain from catering to, facilitating, or in any way promoting something we see as sin. Catering to a homosexual wedding ceremony could very well fall into that area. Maybe you don't agree, but that's beside the point.
If that were true, many, if not most christians would be out of work. Christians wouldn't be able to work in the wedding industry at all, given the number of 2nd/3rd marriages and the number of inter-religious marriages that take place. Additionally, anything involving the military or defense contracting would be out of bounds, since a significant portion of our military activities are of questionable justification. A lot of modern retail and manufacturing involves exploiting workers at some level, so that'd be off the table. You could make the case that retail marketing also depends on engendering a sense of discontent within the customer base, which is inherently sinful.
But apparently baking a cake for a couple of gays is worse than making weapons that'd be used to fight wars over oil or telling people their lives aren't complete enough without your product.
It can harm the baker's reputation within the Christian community. We are to abstain from catering to, facilitating, or in any way promoting something we see as sin. Catering to a homosexual wedding ceremony could very well fall into that area. Maybe you don't agree, but that's beside the point.
If a Christian person's reputation as such, is so delicate, that the people they deal with will be upset because they served a gay couple, then they shouldn't be in a publically accommodating business.
Correction (again): Because they catered to a homosexual wedding ceremony.
Correction (for real): Because they catered to a wedding ceremony of people they don't approve of.
But either way, a person should be allowed to act upon their convictions. I don't think that's too much to ask for in a free country.
Free country, all the more reason gays should be allowed to marry.
All the more reason, a person walking into a publically accommodating business, has the freedom to expect to be served.
They can expect whatever they want. But the freedom to force me to do something against my religious convictions? That's not a freedom. That's a violation of my freedom.
What they expect, is for the pubic accommodating business owner, to follow the same law, all publically accommodating business owners have to follow.
If they can't, don't put themselves in that position and instead, open a private bakery that only serves to whoever the owner wants to serve to, problem solved.