Thoughts ...

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in reading a bit about the now ex-christian that wrote the biblewheel book.... I have to say that it is amazing how ones perception leads them off to so many other things. what you consider right will sow what you will then later reap. by choosing what you believe is the truth (whether you realize you are doing this or not) will lead you in the spirit of that which you allow to be your master.

the bible has very many stumbling blocks. there is no way to see the depths of truth in it without God. this guy on youtube was talking about three basic ways to see religion: the esoteric, the exoteric, and the atheistic.

even though I know I still fall short I also know just how much God has allowed me to see the confusion and vanity of people ( myself included ) and of this world. the ignorance that humanity suffers from is very true to its name. the things that are right in front of my face and very plain to me now used to be things hidden from my understanding. I know i'm still in the process of refinement and of growth.

just an hour ago I noticed my uncles car showed the date and year right under the time display. took a year + for me to notice that. lol.

This is really what the essence of picking up our cross is for us. A cross keeps us from making images out of what is given in the moment; the abundance of God is the process that is the eternal soul.

 

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It is through perception (process of time) we are continually refined, which is applicable to the individual as is to all collectively.

 

[x141]

Sub consciousness (self) is much like a seed planted in consciousness (soul).

If the one who plants is the son of man that is a worm, the earthly becomes what you reap as self, if it is planted by the son of man who is the son of God, you reap what you so.

To understand that we are the ones who sow in our own garden, is to understand that it is because God, who we are made in the invisible/um-measurable image of, is the only one who sows in his own, there being no enemy in his garden.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

To know God is to know love, and to know him as Father is eternal life, and this knowing for us begins now as a walk that is both in spirit, and in truth.

"But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away" ... for then shall I know even as also I am known.

Philippians 3:12 Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. 13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, 14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

15 Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. 16 Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind.

Our Citizenship in Heaven
17 Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Do you take this to mean there will be no more knowledge?

How does this fit with this verse to you (bearing in mind the way Paul was speaking to the Corinthians (1 Cor 3:1)?

For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you, and for them at Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh; That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

I believe those treasures are the knowledge of charity itself, along with other fruits of the spirit such as meekness, humility, gentleness, faith to persevere and walk not by sight, and hope as well, and how to walk in those things. Christ was a lion who became a lamb, and he gave us this example to follow as well. This is wisdom, knowledge and understanding which is most valuable. Paul says that knowledge puffs up but charity edifies. What does he mean? Paul says in Romans 14 that we should keep our faith to ourselves if it causes weaker brethren to stumble, because this is charity which edifies others. Paul says that anything not of faith is sin. Job says that to depart from sin is knowledge. Charity is the highest knowledge and love is the greatest of all things. Love for others is what we are commanded.




1 Corinthians 8 Now concerning things offered to idols: We know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies. 2 And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know. 3 But if anyone loves God, this one is known by Him.

11 And because of your knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? 12 But when you thus sin against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble.


Job 28:28 And to man He said,
‘Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom,
And to depart from evil is understanding.’”

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Im not suggesting that sound doctrine shouldn't be discussed, my only intention for posting those scriptures is to suggest that in my opinion love/charity is the highest of knowledge, and also that displaying of meekness is better than displaying of intellect, and that this practice is the very essence of true wisdom. In my opinion. I see love as the greatest thing we can hope to achieve, and meekness as the wisest of virtues and knowledge. This to me seems to be contrary to the flesh which glories in knowledge and intellect. This understanding however is just my fallible opinion of what the Apostles try to teach us.

 

[x141]

Intellect will take you no where, for by it you cannot add nothing to yourself, which is an absolute (and is also what the cross we pick up is for, the pouring out of our soul unto death, so to speak). Love is the greatest truth and the only truth, being that God is this truth, but as God leads you further and further into the love that he is you become less and less concerned about how people view you, to the place where you no longer give thought to it, and in this whether someone is nice or mean to you becomes irrelevant, as we are to love our brother no different than we love our enemies.

If one is mature, one knows that what God gives in the moment was for the moment it was given in, and this in relationship to self, or our journey in ends until God through circumstances in life brings us to the end of ourselves again that we might turn from the idols we have made out of the truths that were given. My days are filled with this ascending which is the inheritance of every son, bar none, but the continual entering into this is only found by a cross that remains picked up.

God does not change we see him clearer moment by moment, which makes it appear as if he does, and this is the same with every son born of him concerning self, and the difference between the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ as something we possess, it having freely been given to us out of the good pleasure of his will which he purposed in himself before all things were.

Why do you think Jesus when it is said (of the rich young ruler) that he loved him spoke words to him that caused him to be grieved, and to walk away in this state? Can you see the purpose of God in this, and the end it would bring him to through thought? It does not appear as if love were the motive, nevertheless is not what we think (intellect) but what our father thinks, being that Jesus' words were not his own, even though they were.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Intellect will take you no where, for by it you cannot add nothing to yourself, which is an absolute (and is also what the cross we pick up is for, the pouring out of our soul unto death, so to speak). Love is the greatest truth and the only truth, being that God is this truth, but as God leads you further and further into the love that he is you become less and less concerned about how people view you, to the place where you no longer give thought to it, and in this whether someone is nice or mean to you becomes irrelevant, as we are to love our brother no different than we love our enemies.

If one is mature, one knows that what God gives in the moment was for the moment it was given in, and this in relationship to self, or our journey in ends until God through circumstances in life brings us to the end of ourselves again that we might turn from the idols we have made out of the truths that were given. My days are filled with this ascending which is the inheritance of every son, bar none, but the continual entering into this is only found by a cross that remains picked up.

God does not change we see him clearer moment by moment, which makes it appear as if he does, and this is the same with every son born of him concerning self, and the difference between the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ as something we possess, it having freely been given to us out of the good pleasure of his will which he purposed in himself before all things were.

Why do you think Jesus when it is said (of the rich young ruler) that he loved him spoke words to him that caused him to be grieved, and to walk away in this state? Can you see the purpose of God in this, and the end it would bring him to through thought? It does not appear as if love were the motive, nevertheless is not what we think (intellect) but what our father thinks, being that Jesus' words were not his own, even though they were.

We should be concerned with the feelings of others. It is the way of compassion and mercy. Instead of worrying about being mature we should worry about being like minded, its better to be lowly and weak than strong and mighty. What do you think? Is this correct or am i misinterpreting what God wants from us?

 

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We should be concerned with the feelings of others. It is the way of compassion and mercy. Instead of worrying about being mature we should worry about being like minded, its better to be lowly and weak than strong and mighty. What do you think? Is this correct or am i misinterpreting what God wants from us?

Why should I even think that I have the right to tell you whether you are misinterpreting or not misinterpreting something, you have one in you who leads you the same as any other son of God. You are not living my name, and I am not living your name (Rev 2:17), and it is by this that we live, as this is in relationship to the truths that proceed out of the mouth of God (our Father) to us, who speaks this same one truth to every son of who he is, which through experience relates to who we are in him.

I speak from where I am, you speak from where you are, it does not make one right and one wrong (which to come out of this mentality that is based on knowledge (tree of) is to come out of the field).

Nevertheless I will say a part ...

In lowliness/weakness (which is truths of the cross picked up) the strength of God is revealed in the individual, which strength God alone defines in us (in it's multiplicities, filled with their endless truths that become more akin to a mansion with many treasure rooms), and we by thought adding nothing to this, nor by thought taking anything away from this (that is part and parcel of the exceeding and great reward our Father is to us as his sons, as a truth who is always present).

To waste thought on being mature is just as much a waste of time as worrying about being like minded is. We cannot add or take away from ourselves by this type of thought (this adds the plagues of the book to us).

It is a labor to be.

A little knowledge puffeth up, but this knowledge is not the treasures that are hid in Christ who is in us.

Knowledge that puffs up seeks it's own, it seeks to gain an advantage. Such vain thoughts, and even those that are for or against this are a mind that is at enmity with God, a mind of measurement that the numbering of Israel by David is a picture of.

(Understand that I can't say what I see because I can not fill a sentence with fifty sentences to express what only keeps growing).

If we all have the mind of Christ (which he said to the same ones who could not receive meat (go figure) how can we not be like minded ...

Paul told the Philippians to let this mind be in you (Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God (which is what got him crucified). To pursue after it does not cause one to obtain it, though it does prepare the ground to receive it.

A true son in mind makes for a true servant in deed, but not without the cost of one's own soul.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Why should I even think that I have the right to tell you whether you are misinterpreting or not misinterpreting something, you have one in you who leads you the same as any other son of God. You are not living my name, and I am not living your name (Rev 2:17), and it is by this that we live, as this is in relationship to the truths that proceed out of the mouth of God (our Father) to us, who speaks this same one truth to every son of who he is, which through experience relates to who we are in him.

I speak from where I am, you speak from where you are, it does not make one right and one wrong (which to come out of this mentality that is based on knowledge (tree of) is to come out of the field).

Nevertheless I will say a part ...

In lowliness/weakness (which is truths of the cross picked up) the strength of God is revealed in the individual, which strength God alone defines in us (in it's multiplicities, filled with their endless truths that become more akin to a mansion with many treasure rooms), and we by thought adding nothing to this, nor by thought taking anything away from this (that is part and parcel of the exceeding and great reward our Father is to us as his sons, as a truth who is always present).

To waste thought on being mature is just as much a waste of time as worrying about being like minded is. We cannot add or take away from ourselves by this type of thought (this adds the plagues of the book to us).

It is a labor to be.

A little knowledge puffeth up, but this knowledge is not the treasures that are hid in Christ who is in us.

Knowledge that puffs up seeks it's own, it seeks to gain an advantage. Such vain thoughts, and even those that are for or against this are a mind that is at enmity with God, a mind of measurement that the numbering of Israel by David is a picture of.

(Understand that I can't say what I see because I can not fill a sentence with fifty sentences to express what only keeps growing).

If we all have the mind of Christ (which he said to the same ones who could not receive meat (go figure) how can we not be like minded ...

Paul told the Philippians to let this mind be in you (Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God (which is what got him crucified). To pursue after it does not cause one to obtain it, though it does prepare the ground to receive it.

A true son in mind makes for a true servant in deed, but not without the cost of one's own soul.

If striving to be like minded is a waste of time then why does Paul exhort us to be like minded? Is Paul exhorting us to waste our time on worthless pursuits? The Apostles give us simple instructions and they reiterate them constantly, and so im not sure why things need to sound so mystical. They tell us to grow in grace and in the knowledge of Christ, but that that knowledge is about being a servant, lowly, humble and meek. And its those things which the apostles command us to follow, along with things like perseverance through suffering and walking by faith instead of following worldliness, and also being transformed by the renewal in our thinking instead of being conformed by the world .

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Fellowship is not possible if people speak two different languages, so it seems good to agree on simplicity for the sake of fellowship and edification. It seems good to remove anything contrary to sound doctrine, however disagreement and debate is contrary to this. It also seems good to avoid anything which complicates that simplicity. Only simplicity can bring people together and also promote the things which the apostles teach, things such as grace, meekness, humility and love. The apostles seem to value things like simplicity and fellowship, fellowship which seeks to be united in one voice and mind which remains joyful in hope of salvation, along with thankfulness to God. If we all speak only those simple things then there is no disagreement at all, and then the body as a whole becomes stronger. They seem to want us to be busy in love and good works as well.


In acts 2 we see they had simplicity of heart, they were of one mind and had all things in common.

Acts 2:44 Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, 45 and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need.

46 So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, 47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church[h] daily those who were being saved.


1 Thessalonians 5:16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

1 Peter 3:8 Finally, all of you be of one mind, having compassion for one another; love as brothers, be tenderhearted, be courteous;

 

[toLiJC]

when I look that word up it says:

H120 אָדָם 'adam (aw-dawm') n-m.
1. ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.)
[from H119]
KJV: X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.
Root(s): H119

H119 אָדַם 'adam (aw-dam') v.
1. be (dyed, made) red (ruddy)
[to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy]

strongs is kind of lame. I need me an jew/israelite who was taught ancient hebrew. I really do miss some of the jewish teachers of the bible I used to get to watch. there are lots of good things God gave to them such as the kaballa.

i speak of God and the faith by faith, not just by reasoning, while the dictionaries are composed of linguists with the help of traditionalists following a human tradition i.e. transmitted from human to human, to listen what the true Lord God says to you is one thing, while to receive/accept some tradition coming from humans who have not proven the righteousness throughout is another thing, because there were many spiritual people who did not affirm the good(ness)("love") to be the basis of God and the faith all the way, of course by saying this i do not judge/doom any person, but there is some true Truth, while the rest is more or less misleading

"guts" and "blood", these are the two main things in the word "אָדָם", because the "blood" is the ministry(spiritual service to God), while the "guts" is the consumption, because the human was made to be the universal user, and in particular a minister of God under sin, because the number of the spiritual servants of God was ever less compared to the rest of people, for there cannot be more than one God(system Administrator of the life), neither is there a need of more than one such, but the devil deceived the humans (that) they can become spiritual Administrators as the God Himself, and so they ate of the forbidden "tree" of the system administration which for them(the humans) is occultism, esoterism, idolatry, and spiritual iniquity in general

Blessings

 

[toLiJC]

Just some thoughts ...

In relationship to God, does he create things that he hates for the sole purpose of destroying it ... did God not knit Esau together in his mothers womb knowing a forehand the end from the beginning ... if their is no shadow of turning in God, Esau was condemned in the mind of God before he was ever knitted together (which is tantamount to saying hate knitted Esau together) ... did Jesus die only for those who loved him ... or since it was God who was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself (as Paul had said), does God only love those who he knows will love him which stems back to a knowing by him before all things were ... if so, according to his own words that he gave Jesus to speak, what has he done?

Are we to do (love your enemies) what God cannot do (if you love your enemy how can your enemy still be your enemy), or if God is love, is he also hate as much as he is love, or is God snared by (the confusion of face) knowledge as Adam was snared by it? (they have become as one of us ... ) the first thoughts of knowledge made Adam ashamed of himself (even though he was the son of God), the second thought was becoming afraid of God which is the foundation/beginning of knowledge).

The essence of eternal life is to know our Father, but how can we begin to know him if we think we are not accepted by him as we are, or that we have to work for this acceptance ... which is the path knowledge (as an Ishmael) first sends us on (it is in the day/light that we eat.

how is the path of the salvation in God a path of knowledge, after it is quite comprehensibly written "God is love"(1 John 4) and "the knowledge (as direction of the faith) puffs up, while the love always edifies"(1 Cor 8) as well as "(in Lord God) there are faith, hope, and love, these three; but the greatest of these is the love."(1 Cor 13)?!, because the faith was given together with its Holy Commandments(Law) in order to be the means of the salvation in Him, but the humans had not needed salvation before the fall(original sin), while the hope is the promise of God together with His requirements, so these two things are temporary, because the faith is needed only for the implementation of the salvation in Him and to its accomplishment, and the hope(promise) will be no more promise when it be fulfilled, so here is how the love (will) (ever) remain(s) (forever)

Romans 8:24-25 "For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it."

Blessings

 

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how is the path of the salvation in God a path of knowledge, after it is quite comprehensibly written "God is love"(1 John 4) and "the knowledge (as direction of the faith) puffs up, while the love always edifies"(1 Cor 8) as well as "(in Lord God) there are faith, hope, and love, these three; but the greatest of these is the love."(1 Cor 13)?!, because the faith was given together with its Holy Commandments(Law) in order to be the means of the salvation in Him, but the humans had not needed salvation before the fall(original sin), while the hope is the promise of God together with His requirements, so these two things are temporary, because the faith is needed only for the implementation of the salvation in Him and to its accomplishment, and the hope(promise) will be no more promise when it be fulfilled, so here is how the love (will) (ever) remain(s) (forever)

Romans 8:24-25 "For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it."

Blessings

If you don't know you are saved how are you saved ...

 

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If striving to be like minded is a waste of time then why does Paul exhort us to be like minded? Is Paul exhorting us to waste our time on worthless pursuits? The Apostles give us simple instructions and they reiterate them constantly, and so im not sure why things need to sound so mystical. They tell us to grow in grace and in the knowledge of Christ, but that that knowledge is about being a servant, lowly, humble and meek. And its those things which the apostles command us to follow, along with things like perseverance through suffering and walking by faith instead of following worldliness, and also being transformed by the renewal in our thinking instead of being conformed by the world .

Do you have the mind of christ or do you not?

If the corinthians could not understand meat, which Paul wanted to speak to them in, why would he say they had the mind of christ?

Can you answer these specific questions for me?

 

[Restoresmysoul]

If you don't know you are saved how are you saved ...

The answer is - we are saved by the grace of God. Many people think they will go to heaven because they are good people, they live in a self righteous delusion because they don't listen to the truth which the scriptures teach us, they believe they are saved but are they? However, on the other hand there are other people who are more humbled, they may not be so sure of their salvation necessarily and may live in hope, and their faith may be weak, but at least they are not self righteous. I suppose we will all know who is saved and who is not when we stand before God one day.


Regardless of all that though, please allow me to give my opinion. I see many denominations which all teach various forms of religion based on different interpretations of scripture. Reason seems to suggest that they cant all be correct, and i find it hard to believe that one of them is infallible. Reason also seems to suggest that after all these years and after considering all these denominations, that simplicity is the only logical answer. God just wants us to walk by faith, rejoice in hope, love each other and love Him too. He only wants us to live quiet, simplistic and humble lives and that's all he asks, in my opinion.

After all these years we have not gained anything new, we have not become more enlightened. So after reading the NT epistles and meditating on the things written in them, and after considering the history that i just mentioned, it seems that reasoning suggests that simplicity is the only logical answer. Why then do we keep trying to complicate things with mystical religion? It has never been fruitful in the past and i dont think it ever will either. Simplicity is better than mysticism.

 

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Fellowship is not possible if people speak two different languages, so it seems good to agree on simplicity for the sake of fellowship and edification. It seems good to remove anything contrary to sound doctrine, however disagreement and debate is contrary to this. It also seems good to avoid anything which complicates that simplicity. Only simplicity can bring people together and also promote the things which the apostles teach, things such as grace, meekness, humility and love. The apostles seem to value things like simplicity and fellowship, fellowship which seeks to be united in one voice and mind which remains joyful in hope of salvation, along with thankfulness to God. If we all speak only those simple things then there is no disagreement at all, and then the body as a whole becomes stronger. They seem to want us to be busy in love and good works as well.


In acts 2 we see they had simplicity of heart, they were of one mind and had all things in common.

Acts 2:44 Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, 45 and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need.

46 So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, 47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church[h] daily those who were being saved.


1 Thessalonians 5:16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

1 Peter 3:8 Finally, all of you be of one mind, having compassion for one another; love as brothers, be tenderhearted, be courteous;

The simplicity of the gospel is not in it's easiness to be understood, it is in the singleness of it. Even Paul said the spirit was given us that we might know the deep things of God.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Do you have the mind of christ or do you not?

If the corinthians could not understand meat, which Paul wanted to speak to them in, why would he say they had the mind of christ?

Can you answer these specific questions for me?

I believe i have the mind of Christ, although i don't think i'm as mature as others are who have made wiser decisions in life. His mind is found in his written words of the bible, and in his apostles words too, as well as all scripture. His mind is also the spirit of God which leads us in those things and reminds us of those things, the same spirit which inspired those holy instructions/scriptures. Paul teaches us to be renewed in our mind, to meditate on good and pure things. Paul doesn't tell us to speak in mystical pictures but instead teaches us to speak plainly, to speak truth in love. He teaches us to speak the same thing as well, and this can only be accomplished through simplicity, but not through the use of excessive mystical picture language.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

The simplicity of the gospel is not in it's easiness to be understood, it is in the singleness of it. Even Paul said the spirit was given us that we might know the deep things of God.

Paul also said he would rather speak 5 words that would edify rather than a thousand words in an unknown tongue. We cannot possibly know all of Gods mysteries, not in this world anyway. I think if knowledge is leading us then it will lead us to live a more simplistic life, free of debate. I think the more complicated things get then the more debate and strife we will have. People have families to raise and this world is getting hard to live in, it full of evil, we need sound instruction and agreement, not debate and distraction. We need to get real and promote simplicity which is far more useful than mysteries, in my opinion.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

This is just my opinion. I surely dont know everything. Its just my opinion and its the path i seem to follow. I do however like to be fed by the word, i like to see little things in Gods scriptures that i never saw before. But its not worth debating, none of it is because debate defeats the purpose which should always be to edify, debate never edifies, it only destroys peace and causes us to stray from the narrow road. We must agree on simplicity i think. As i said, its just my opinion, for whatever is worth.