Thoughts ...

[x141]

i do not judge/doom any person, but what would the use of (the) medicine be if the doctors did/do not heal the sick, neither save(d) the human life at all?!, and how much more should the faith be saving, after Jesus and His true disciples (that are shown in the Bible) cast out the devilish spirits of the possessed, healed the sick, recovered the lame/invalid, resurrected the dead, and saved the perished in general?!

Blessings

I'm not negating the process, but as Jesus said, (when talking with Nicodemus (who thought it strange that Nicodemus being a master/teacher in Israel did not know these things) if you did not come from there you cannot get there, which he related as being everyone who was born of the spirit, but in reality all things were born of God, or came out of him he being the only source of life.

Adam's perception from the foundation of the world (or the confusion brought on by his own reasoning based on a truth that is outside of himself), made God to him his adversary who was the source of all things to him (which is where the shame of his nakedness came from (his own reasoning), though he did not yet know this, but outside of believing that he wasn't, God's hands were seemingly tied, as much as this was the case with Jesus (when he was in his home town (these people had grown up with him), who also said that their faith had made them whole.

The first physical death recorded in scripture was due to this same reasoning when Cain brought an offering (through the process of time or reasoning), not asked for to which the outcome (is seen in picture) as something in relationship to the two fruits of one tree which divides the inheritance that is God to each of us.

In the end perception is everything to us, whether this is seeded by earthly wisdom or heavenly wisdom, or a mixture of both.

Our assumption by our own reasoning is that God was not all in all from the beginning, which is the sin that separates us from him.

God started out with one, and then narrowed it back down to one again, and the same reasoning that crucified on a tree this truth the first time did it again. One was based on gain the other on giving all which become the two paths one can go by, one seems right, the other, well ... Peter voiced it pretty well when he began to rebuke Jesus when he told him what he was planning to do.

 

[toLiJC]

I'm not negating the process, but as Jesus said, (when talking with Nicodemus (who thought it strange that Nicodemus being a master/teacher in Israel did not know these things) if you did not come from there you cannot get there, which he related as being everyone who was born of the spirit, but in reality all things were born of God, or came out of him he being the only source of life.

Adam's perception from the foundation of the world (or the confusion brought on by his own reasoning based on a truth that is outside of himself), made God to him his adversary who was the source of all things to him (which is where the shame of his nakedness came from (his own reasoning), though he did not yet know this, but outside of believing that he wasn't, God's hands were seemingly tied, as much as this was the case with Jesus (when he was in his home town (these people had grown up with him), who also said that their faith had made them whole.

The first physical death recorded in scripture was due to this same reasoning when Cain brought an offering (through the process of time or reasoning), not asked for to which the outcome (is seen in picture) as something in relationship to the two fruits of one tree which divides the inheritance that is God to each of us.

In the end perception is everything to us, whether this is seeded by earthly wisdom or heavenly wisdom, or a mixture of both.

Our assumption by our own reasoning is that God was not all in all from the beginning, which is the sin that separates us from him.

God started out with one, and then narrowed it back down to one again, and the same reasoning that crucified on a tree this truth the first time did it again. One was based on gain the other on giving all which become the two paths one can go by, one seems right, the other, well ... Peter voiced it pretty well when he began to rebuke Jesus when he told him what he was planning to do.

why do you think the (original) sin of adam was just some reasoning?!, because (it is visible there are signs that) even his wife, eve, showed right reasoning when the devil tried to deceive her by asking her a misleading question, but she (well) answered (it) right

Genesis 3:1-3 "he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die."

had not God made adam and eve reasonable?!, or were they imbecile from the beginning?!, or would a human be sinful just because of its reasoning regardless of whether it is good/righteous or evil/unrighteous?!, so here's how (it turns out that) the original sin is something else, namely the spiritual iniquity initially in the form of occultism/esoterism, because the devil promised them (that) some special "eye" will be "opened" in them, and then exactly the so-called "third eye" appeared in both of them, but, as it is known, such a thing is possible usually through the process of occult/transcendental meditation, and so the spiritual iniquity turned out to be the original sin, the very sin, and even the only, because it turned out to be the cause of all other evils and iniquities in general (for the last 5-6 millennia reckoned from the day of the fall/original sin up to now), for God is a Spirit and His Kingdom is Spiritual, and the devil is also a spirit, and its kingdom is also spiritual, both the "Light" and the "darkness", and the spiritual is (in) the basis of every thing in the universe

Blessings

 

[x141]

why do you think the (original) sin of adam was just some reasoning?!, because (it is visible there are signs that) even his wife, eve, showed right reasoning when the devil tried to deceive her by asking her a misleading question, but she (well) answered (it) right

Genesis 3:1-3 "he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die."

had not God made adam and eve reasonable?!, or were they imbecile from the beginning?!, or would a human be sinful just because of its reasoning regardless of whether it is good/righteous or evil/unrighteous?!, so here's how (it turns out that) the original sin is something else, namely the spiritual iniquity initially in the form of occultism/esoterism, because the devil promised them (that) some special "eye" will be "opened" in them, and then exactly the so-called "third eye" appeared in both of them, but, as it is known, such a thing is possible usually through the process of occult/transcendental meditation, and so the spiritual iniquity turned out to be the original sin, the very sin, and even the only, because it turned out to be the cause of all other evils and iniquities in general (for the last 5-6 millennia reckoned from the day of the fall/original sin up to now), for God is a Spirit and His Kingdom is Spiritual, and the devil is also a spirit, and its kingdom is also spiritual, both the "Light" and the "darkness", and the spiritual is (in) the basis of every thing in the universe

Blessings

The woman added with her words/reasoning to the commandment ... she was, like Adam eating of her own reasoning without every knowing she had (though to the pure all things are pure).

I may be able to tell you what ice cream taste like but you will never really know for your self until you are the one who has eaten. In the same way, I may be able to tell you about the son, but until you become one (no gender implied) you will never really know the truth of being one.

I have found no end to the river that flows out of the truths laid out in the creative days as it relates to me and the adam I have made.

You could say, we can only see what we can see, I would say, we only see what we can accept.

In truth Adam was complete, he was the son of God, and all things that the Father has was always his (including all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge), but he had no knowledge of the endless truth that being a son of God is in relationship to God as his Father, which is the same for us, and which without a cross (thou shalt not eat) our soul begins to rule over us through reasoning based, or seeded by a truth outside of self.

 

[Noxot]

'reason' is a tricky word because it means different things. some people use the word to mean something kin to sanity ( which can only be equated to God since only God is good ) while others use it in a different sense... to denote ability to reason to X capacity. everyone has a capacity to reason but God is reason and so nothing less than with God himself is it going to be proper reasoning. and so you see the cherubim angels have right reasoning because they partake of God and they do not exceed their capacity towards God or they would fall away. the cherubim choose God and so they are clean. the devil did not choose God and so his reasoning is corrupted. man can either choose God or not choose God and they will subsequently die to their true image and to God such as the devil did or they shall retain their eternal image in Christ and see God because they have decided to love God more than self and more than other things. for Lucifer fell away due to his own image even though it was beauty, he thought he could cut himself away from God and go a different path but he went insane because there is no higher beauty than God and his kingdom. Lucifers thought was an 'impossible thought' because only God has the true 'impossible thoughts' and they were all in store for Lucifer if only he had remained abiding with God as the soul of Jesus did.

so if God is the standard of true being then anything less than him means a gap between him and another which is an abyss of ignorance and lack that comes about by the destruction of the fullness of the image of God being distorted into something less than what it can be. the image itself is an ascending forever due to the nature of the infinity and eternity of God and so we can find a dynamic aspect to spirit that is a heavenly quality.

there is also a kind of dynamic that is not heavenly but rather is made from the degradation of the best to a worst condition and this is what evil is.

because of the freedom that the soul partakes of ( since she is a spirit ) means we can participate in the lower or the higher. but only irrational freedom that is at the first afforded us for the sake of us not being compelled/forced to be like God.... which would of itself be evil, since it is better to freely choose what you want to be and what you want to love. but the second freedom only comes about when our own freedom is enlightened by Gods own freedom which is called his grace.

when first made in Gods image it was due to an ACCIDENTAL necessity of God since God can only give birth to what he is. this accidental quality did not last very long because it can not last forever if freedom has anything to do with Gods plan. if only God has freedom and we have no freedom then God does not have a child, he has a robot that does whatever his grace commands it to do. if man only has his own freedom it becomes darkened because it is separated from God due to only God only being good. that is why both freedoms must be together in order for us to be conformed to the highest of realities and the very mystery of the Trinity points to this.

God could have quickly corrected everything after eve and adam made a mistake but now the entire reality of what happened is being played out. this kind of reality affords all souls the free chance to choose good or evil, with no compulsion by God, though there be very many expressions that it would seem to force the good for fear of punishment, this of itself was in part due to the fallen nature of humanity and them being unable to react in any other way than what they themselves are functioning within ( which was a lot of the time fear ).

God is not hindered. let the roman catholic church be an example of this. they are a very authoritarian based church and this does not translate correctly in the higher realities of the Son of God and his relationship with his Father. authority is a idea that is created in the lower worlds. the eternal kingdom of heaven has no need for such things. but God even used the roman catholic church as a type of school teacher and she even was able to help the saints develop certain spiritual practices that helped them to deny their own wills and submit that to another even though at some points this got so out of hand due. for instance there was a saint that obey a heartless man in authority and since he submitted to that man as if it was God instead of what he really was ( which was a person that should have listened to the saint rather than the saint listen to him )... anyways that saint ended up being in pains because his feet were bloody because of him having to obey the orders of someone who does not care about people ( because he was forced to walk a very long distance barefooted)

even saint Francis was submissive to the roman catholic church. but saint Francis also discarded all his possessions and on different occasions, having nothing, was beaten up and robbed of his clothing and yet he was one of the happiest people I have ever heard of. so in the world there is a kind of acting and reacting of God and people. but God does a lot of things that we don't understand and he knows how to teach us thing by what we are and how the world is.

there is nothing that is right or good without God, no matter how right or wrong it seems like. it is true that sometimes things are obvious, but in the best of realities it requires for a person to be with God and for God to be with that person and there must be nothing at all in the way, not man on his own and not even God on his own ( because God did not become creator for himself but rather he did it for his creatures. God had no need to be a creator but creatures need a creator in order for them to be creatures )

 

[Noxot]

or to put it in a simple way: God has his own definitions of what he says and men have their own and the world has its own and the devil his own, ectect.

that is why perception must be in God and with God. it does not take away our own being otherwise we would have no perception of our own. but all souls are rooted in the Son of God, his very nature is that of creation and child of God. the Son of Gods very nature is one of unified polarity. it is fitting because he is the second person of the Trinity. he himself said it. he is both man and God. how much more contradictory could you get? and yet he is the union of both while they still retain their specific qualities. all human souls partake of the Logos to some degree because we all have a measure of reasoning. discursive reasoning can lead to all kinds of falsehoods but that of itself is a kind of reflection of the nature of the Logos who creates.

mankind is only in the image of God as much as they conform to the Son of God. the true image of humanity is an image given by God and is of his image but souls and people are confused because they sin and so create images of wild animals and of the stars and ect. look at todays world. one could say humans are to some degree becoming mechanized and computerized while at the same time certain of our technologies express the higher realities in symbols as well. it is a struggle between the lower and the higher. whatever is master over man is what man turns into. man has been dealing with him being made in the image of a beast for a long time and now as man develops in a certain way he faces new kinds of dangers. most people in this world believe they are nothing more than smart animals, they don't even believe that the reality they exist in is a product of the fall. we BECAME more animal-like because of our fall. in fact you could say our animal bodies help our souls in some ways to not become something even more grotesque to the degree that it otherwise could become. the fall limited us in some ways but God uses it for our good and our learning and for our growth and recovery.

our soul needs to detach herself from everything and be her free spiritual self so that she can freely and wholly be with God. instead the soul goes around every which way and turns into this and turns into that. she has a true image but she is scattered everywhere. she must be gathered back together and only God can truly complete her as that is why is she made , for God and God is for her or he would not have made her in the first place.

this really is a deep mystery of reality, just as paul says it is.
Gen 2:21-25
And Jehovah God causeth a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he sleepeth, and He taketh one of his ribs, and closeth up flesh in its stead. And Jehovah God buildeth up the rib which He hath taken out of the man into a woman, and bringeth her in unto the man; and the man saith, `This is the step! bone of my bone, and flesh of my flesh!' for this it is called Woman, for from a man hath this been taken; therefore doth a man leave his father and his mother, and hath cleaved unto his wife, and they have become one flesh. And they are both of them naked, the man and his wife, and they are not ashamed of themselves.

Eph 5:30-32 (YLT)
because members we are of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones; `for this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined to his wife, and they shall be--the two--for one flesh;' this secret is great, and I speak in regard to Christ and to the assembly;

assembly =
G1577 ἐκκλησία ekklesia (ek-klay-see'-ah) n.
1. (properly) a "calling out"
2. (concretely) a called out assembly of citizens
3. (specifically, of Christ) the community of the Redeemed of Christ whether being on earth or in heaven or both
{used only of people, not a location, structure, etc. Of Christ, used only of the Redeemed, not of the unredeemed in their midst}
[from a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564]
KJV: assembly, church
Root(s): G1537, G2564
Compare: G4864
See also: G2822

 

[Noxot]

bah nevermind.... but everyone is wrong until they are right. there is no one that I hate more than myself. it's probably the best i can do.

 

[toLiJC]

hardly the problem of adam and eve was the wisdom and knowledge, either in lack or possession, because is it possible that God created them imperfect/flawy or unrighteous/sinful?!, but the devil tried to deceive them by trying to persuade them they have no enough wisdom/knowledge ostensibly because they had not yet eaten of the forbidden tree of the knowledge of good and evil

1 Corinthians 11:3 "I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ."

and, as it is well-known, the simplicity is not in the possession of much knowledge, because such a possession is associated with certain difficulties

1 Corinthians 1:27-29 "But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea(i.e. to confound the sublime), and things which are not(i.e. the unfulfilled good things), to bring to nought things that are(i.e. the bad things): That no flesh should glory in his presence."

because God made the human (in its capacity) as universal user, and such is also the meaning of the biblical word "human" i.e. user

Blessings

 

[x141]

It would appear that Adam is God's Ishmael, and Jesus the son of promise, the only difference between the two sons is the perception (which the woman/wife is a picture of) that birthed them, but this speaks to us as something that is relative to our walk, the truth that God is being without measure and this revealing the process of coming to this truth which is not separate from self as how we experience this relationship of father and the son that we are which is tantamount to God walking in us.

 

[x141]

bah nevermind.... but everyone is wrong until they are right. there is no one that I hate more than myself. it's probably the best i can do.

A friend had related to me one time that when he went back and read what he had wrote that it no longer made sense to him which he was utterly amazed with when it made perfect senses when he write it. This shows the two minds, or should I say the two states of the soul, one is measured one is not, one we are a stranger in the other is a land that is our own.

 

[Noxot]

A friend had related to me one time that when he went back and read what he had wrote that it no longer made sense to him which he was utterly amazed with when it made perfect senses when he write it. This shows the two minds, or should I say the two states of the soul, one is measured one is not, one we are a stranger in the other is a land that is our own.

there is a certain part of the brain that triggers an intense "this is deep" feeling. most scientist think they have it figured out since they understand in some degree how the biological machine works. but their basic assumptions about what reality is and how it is had already gave them plenty of conclusions based on their own perceptions of what the truth is. another thing that amazes me is that some people who study the brain seem to not experience their own very much.

i'm sure the brain goes through a prolonged process as it more fully develops the ofttimes neglected spiritual parts of the brain. there is no telling how much it is possible for a persons brain to change as it goes through a spiritual transformation. a saint named saint john of the cross spoke of the sensual part of the soul and the spiritual part. he seems to have came to a point where even the sensual part changed in some manner. that must have been a relief. I don't want to be 'two-souled' (double minded ).

another saint said that the sensual part of the soul does not know how else to receive what the spiritual part receives other than to feel pleasure. this 'pleasure' can turn into a stumbling block for some.

'most of Gods works go unnoticed' as one of the books of the bible that most protestants reject says.

 

[Noxot]

because God made the human (in its capacity) as universal user, and such is also the meaning of the biblical word "human" i.e. user

I have never heard of the word "human" meaning user. what word in the hebrew would that be? and what does it mean for a human to be a user?

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Jesus commanded us to love each other and to love our enemies too. Paul speaks of praying always with thanksgiving, and praying for each other, and putting on Gods whole armor, walking in meekness and truth. The bible teaches us so much about how to walk in charity for each other and it says that charity is what edifies.Those who truly understand the Lord will meditate on and talk about those things because these things are what the apostles teach about the most.


1 Co 13:11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

When everything is gone all that remains is love, faith and hope, love being the greatest. The greatest in the kingdom is the lowly servant. Jesus was a lion who became a lamb, and a king who became lowly foot washer. Whenever we stand before His throne prophecy and knowledge will mean nothing, all that will matter is love. Love, faith and hope. The lowly servant will find his reward.

The greatest thing we can pray for is not to understand mysteries, or to do miracles either, but instead the greatest thing we can pray for is to be humbled, to walk in gentle meekness, to love. I think Mathew 7:22-23 goes well with 1 Co 13.





1 Co 13:4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.



Mathew 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

24 “Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock:



1 Corinthians 13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, it profits me nothing.

 

[x141]

To know God is to know love, and to know him as Father is eternal life, and this knowing for us begins now as a walk that is both in spirit, and in truth.

"But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away" ... for then shall I know even as also I am known.

 

[toLiJC]

It would appear that Adam is God's Ishmael, and Jesus the son of promise, the only difference between the two sons is the perception (which the woman/wife is a picture of) that birthed them, but this speaks to us as something that is relative to our walk, the truth that God is being without measure and this revealing the process of coming to this truth which is not separate from self as how we experience this relationship of father and the son that we are which is tantamount to God walking in us.

as for this, the important is what is in the heart of the human, e.g. a great (spiritual) iniquity or humble spirit, because there was a difference between causers/perpetrators and victims/sufferers, for example many comparatively harmless people suffered from mental disorders/illnesses without being causers/perpetrators of (spiritual) iniquity, or else what means righteousness?!

Blessings

 

[toLiJC]

I have never heard of the word "human" meaning user. what word in the hebrew would that be? and what does it mean for a human to be a user?

the hebraic word is "אָדָם"('adam, strong's h120, used in Genesis 1:26) meaning "user/consumer" from "דָם" which means "guts" and "א" which means "one/first"

only God is the system Administrator of the life, which is also the meaning of the biblical word "God", while the humans can be only users and His spiritual servants in particular, because their capacity is too little to be able to administer the life spiritually (as Gods), and it is not possible that there be more than one God, namely the Heavenly Father, neither is there a need of more than one such

Blessings

 

[x141]

8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.

Do you take this to mean there will be no more knowledge?

How does this fit with this verse to you (bearing in mind the way Paul was speaking to the Corinthians (1 Cor 3:1)?

For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you, and for them at Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh; That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

 

[Noxot]

the hebraic word is "אָדָם"('adam, strong's h120, used in Genesis 1:26) meaning "user/consumer" from "דָם" which means "guts" and "א" which means "one/first"

only God is the system Administrator of the life, which is also the meaning of the biblical word "God", while the humans can be only users and His spiritual servants in particular, because their capacity is too little to be able to administer the life spiritually (as Gods), and it is not possible that there be more than one God, namely the Heavenly Father, neither is there a need of more than one such

Blessings

when I look that word up it says:

H120 אָדָם 'adam (aw-dawm') n-m.
1. ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.)
[from H119]
KJV: X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.
Root(s): H119

H119 אָדַם 'adam (aw-dam') v.
1. be (dyed, made) red (ruddy)
[to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy]

strongs is kind of lame. I need me an jew/israelite who was taught ancient hebrew. I really do miss some of the jewish teachers of the bible I used to get to watch. there are lots of good things God gave to them such as the kaballa.

 

[Noxot]

in reading a bit about the now ex-christian that wrote the biblewheel book.... I have to say that it is amazing how ones perception leads them off to so many other things. what you consider right will sow what you will then later reap. by choosing what you believe is the truth (whether you realize you are doing this or not) will lead you in the spirit of that which you allow to be your master.

the bible has very many stumbling blocks. there is no way to see the depths of truth in it without God. this guy on youtube was talking about three basic ways to see religion: the esoteric, the exoteric, and the atheistic.

even though I know I still fall short I also know just how much God has allowed me to see the confusion and vanity of people ( myself included ) and of this world. the ignorance that humanity suffers from is very true to its name. the things that are right in front of my face and very plain to me now used to be things hidden from my understanding. I know i'm still in the process of refinement and of growth.

just an hour ago I noticed my uncles car showed the date and year right under the time display. took a year + for me to notice that. lol.

 

[x141]

as for this, the important is what is in the heart of the human, e.g. a great (spiritual) iniquity or humble spirit, because there was a difference between causers/perpetrators and victims/sufferers, for example many comparatively harmless people suffered from mental disorders/illnesses without being causers/perpetrators of (spiritual) iniquity, or else what means righteousness?!

Blessings

Just some thoughts ...

In relationship to God, does he create things that he hates for the sole purpose of destroying it ... did God not knit Esau together in his mothers womb knowing a forehand the end from the beginning ... if their is no shadow of turning in God, Esau was condemned in the mind of God before he was ever knitted together (which is tantamount to saying hate knitted Esau together) ... did Jesus die only for those who loved him ... or since it was God who was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself (as Paul had said), does God only love those who he knows will love him which stems back to a knowing by him before all things were ... if so, according to his own words that he gave Jesus to speak, what has he done?

Are we to do (love your enemies) what God cannot do (if you love your enemy how can your enemy still be your enemy), or if God is love, is he also hate as much as he is love, or is God snared by (the confusion of face) knowledge as Adam was snared by it? (they have become as one of us ... ) the first thoughts of knowledge made Adam ashamed of himself (even though he was the son of God), the second thought was becoming afraid of God which is the foundation/beginning of knowledge).

The essence of eternal life is to know our Father, but how can we begin to know him if we think we are not accepted by him as we are, or that we have to work for this acceptance ... which is the path knowledge (as an Ishmael) first sends us on (it is in the day/light that we eat.