In heaven, will we be without sexual desire...?

[rick357]

I feel like were going in a circle here... You say that in the newly created heavens if we become angels in that new heaven we won't desire to have sex, or to do any evil, but yet just as everything is recreated anew, repeats the old, and in the old heavens, (in the beginning of the Old heavens), before the old earth (and man and woman) were created, "all" the angels in heaven were holy in the beginning, until one day one high ranking angel became Jealous of his Father creating man and decided to mess with man, and then when God cursed that angel and kicked man and woman out of the garden and they bore sons and daughters, then some of the angels followed the cursed angel and lusted (sexual desire) for the daughters of men and went down and "somehow" someway had sex with them...

Now when we become a part of the new heavens and new earth who's to say the same thing won't happen again (circling, la-de-da) going in circles, a new heaven is created populated with new all holy angels, and then a new earth is created and one angel gets jealous interferes with newly created man on the earth and 1/3 of the angels fall for lusting after the daughters of men, who were supposed to be holy and free from these kinds of things, right?

Anyways the same thing happens and we do it all again, and again, and again, hell, the heavens and earth could have been created, destroyed, and re-created and destroyed and re-created hundreds of times over on the celestial time clock by now, who knows how many times we have done this...

God Bless!

Satan was never an angle in the sence you are thinking...He is Adam

 

[BryanW92]

"all" the angels in heaven were holy in the beginning

Were angels ever "holy"?

God is holy. Man is created in God's image. But, I can't find anything in scripture that says that angels are holy or that they are created in God's image.

 

[RDKirk]

Were angels ever "holy"?

God is holy. Man is created in God's image. But, I can't find anything in scripture that says that angels are holy or that they are created in God's image.

That's probably a can of worms, but I think you're heading in a direction I'd agree with, a bit of quibbling aside.

I would say angels are "holy" in the sense that they are wholly dedicated to God. They are like the uniform I wore in the military--worn for one purpose and one purpose only, never used in any other way, never adulterated.

But angels are not of the same order as God in any way, but beings created for their purpose. Nor are they like mankind, who was created to be children of God. The relationship of mankind to God differs from the relationship of angels to God the way that the relationship of the children of a wealthy man differs from the relationship of his hired servants to him.

But that speaks of relationship.

 

[Neogaia777]

That's probably a can of worms, but I think you're heading in a direction I'd agree with, a bit of quibbling aside.

I would say angels are "holy" in the sense that they are wholly dedicated to God. They are like the uniform I wore in the military--worn for one purpose and one purpose only, never used in any other way, never adulterated.

But angels are not of the same order as God in any way, but beings created for their purpose. Nor are they like mankind, who was created to be children of God. The relationship of mankind to God differs from the relationship of angels to God the way that the relationship of the children of a wealthy man differs from the relationship of his hired servants to him.

But that speaks of relationship.

So you guys are actually suggesting that Man might be "greater" or "higher", or has a better inheritence, like you said man being likened to the children of a rich man, and angels being likened to the wealthy man's servants...?

But why then are the angels also called "sons" of God, does that not make them his (God's, wealthy man's) children and heirs also?

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

I haven't looked at this thread until now and I think it is actually a very interesting question. In order to answer it we have to consider a few things (some of which are often still under debate).

1. Can angels have sexual relations?
2. Can spirit produce physical offspring?
3. What does it mean to be married?
4. What is it about fornication that God finds to be unrighteous?
5. What type of body do the resurrected saints have?
6. What is the purpose of sexual desire and pleasure?
7. Is it better to be married or unmarried here now?
8. If so, why and does that apply to those who are holy?

There are also many other questions...but I think these may help us come closer to understanding. If we can find the answers in scripture and not just go with what others have said.

I'm resurrecting jbearnolimits questions cause I think they should be addressed and I don't want them to get "looked over" in this thread...

Can anyone answer his questions with scripture? I'd be very curious to know?

God Bless!

 

[rick357]

I'm resurrecting jbearnolimits questions cause I think they should be addressed and I don't want them to get "looked over" in this thread...

Can anyone answer his questions with scripture? I'd be very curious to know?

God Bless!

In short as I dont have much time:
1)yes....angles with women in Genesis
2)angles have physical forms....many visitatioms in which angles eat..drink.. wrestle and speak
3)the two shall be one...precurser to us becoming one with Christ and the Father
4)joining to be one with no heart intent of covenant...akin to offering sacrifice but your heart is far from it
5)physical but instead of blood containing the life tbe spirit is the life....Jesus wounds are.not healed but he is alive
6) to create intimate relationship and to obey God
7)Those who are married must take into account the things of this presant world.
8)if husband and wife are one and given to the Lord....but to be single now requires a work of and call of God

 

[rick357]

Note on point eight...it is something one must be called to but that does not mean superior...is a helps ministry less or greater than that of teaching...no just differant

 

[Alithis]

Jesus was talking to the Sadducees who did not believe in an afterlife. Those who believe in an afterlife will have sex in the New Earth. Isaiah 65:17-24

I believe your referring to the mortal people who dwell on the earth during the millenium of peace.
Not those who are the redeemed .they put off mortality and are clothed in immortality.
So cannot be the ones mentioned in isiah 65 .for the simple reason,,they die.the redeemed cannot.

 

[Alithis]

In short as I dont have much time:
1)yes....angles with women in Genesis
-Fallen,deformed perverse beings who know only desire to lie steal kill and destroy.void of godliness.we shal not be like that.

2)angles have physical forms....many visitatioms in which angles eat..drink.. wrestle and speak
-This only displays that spiritual beings have bodies of substance that is not made on or from the temporal realm.

3)the two shall be one...precurser to us becoming one with Christ and the Father
-This shows an eternal marriage..any desire to deviate from that eternal union would be adulterous ..we wont have the propensity to sin any more,it is a fate the imprisoned flesh and blood.

4)joining to be one with no heart intent of covenant...akin to offering sacrifice but your heart is far from it
-Is fornication and laciviousness

5)physical but instead of blood containing the life tbe spirit is the life....Jesus wounds are.not healed but he is alive.
-I get the concept ,not sure what the question is.

6) to create intimate relationship and to obey God.
Yes-a relationship which would be violated if we were to run around sexing outside of gods holy absolutes.

7)Those who are married must take into account the things of this presant world.
-And that covenant is untill death. The marriage of the church(bride)to the lamb is eternal

8)if husband and wife are one and given to the Lord....but to be single now requires a work of and call of God.
-Or Untill death ends the covenant

Raised a lot of interesting thoughts..

 

[fozzy]

Angels don't procreate or in layman's terms they don't have sex with humans. This belief is a favorite lie of Satan. He's tried for so long to get people to believe our great grandparents were monkeys and now it's angels. Our great grandparents were Adam and Eve who were flesh and blood people. The sons of God who took wives of the daughters of men were the Godly line of Seth intermarrying with the wicked line of Cain. No angels, just good people marrying bad people. The same thing still happens today.

The word Nephilim means giant and is a reference to people. This same word is used for the sons of Anak who were gigantic people that lived in the land a Canaan. Everyone prior to the flood was a giant not just these special people. Creation scientists present tons of evidence that people, plants and animals were all gigantic prior to the flood so after the flood there were still some races that had those characteristics. There are no angel/human hybrids and I don't care what the history channel says.

 

[jbearnolimits]

1)yes....angles with women in Genesis
-Fallen,deformed perverse beings who know only desire to lie steal kill and destroy.void of godliness.we shal not be like that.

2)angles have physical forms....many visitatioms in which angles eat..drink.. wrestle and speak
-This only displays that spiritual beings have bodies of substance that is not made on or from the temporal realm.

3)the two shall be one...precurser to us becoming one with Christ and the Father
-This shows an eternal marriage..any desire to deviate from that eternal union would be adulterous ..we wont have the propensity to sin any more,it is a fate the imprisoned flesh and blood.

4)joining to be one with no heart intent of covenant...akin to offering sacrifice but your heart is far from it
-Is fornication and laciviousness

5)physical but instead of blood containing the life tbe spirit is the life....Jesus wounds are.not healed but he is alive.
-I get the concept ,not sure what the question is.

6) to create intimate relationship and to obey God.
Yes-a relationship which would be violated if we were to run around sexing outside of gods holy absolutes.

7)Those who are married must take into account the things of this presant world.
-And that covenant is untill death. The marriage of the church(bride)to the lamb is eternal

8)if husband and wife are one and given to the Lord....but to be single now requires a work of and call of God.
-Or Untill death ends the covenant

To be honest, I don't think many people could handle the answer to the OP question one way or the other. I do think that it is something that God will answer for those who seek Him and His word though, just because God does seem to enjoy it when we search His word.

But I asked those questions, and there are many more, because they can begin to help us understand some things. One thing I see in this thread is an issue over if angels could have children with humans. I think from the context of the scriptures as they speak of the "sons of God" it is clear that the Bible speaks of angels.

Also, it is clear (and this is heresy to those who do not understand, such as those who deny the virgin birth) that spirit can produce physical offspring. So I think the scripture clearly shows that it is at least possible that there can be a sexual union of angels. Of course I am still having to look into it myself. I haven't spent much time on the matter.

But I think the real issue on if those that are holy will have sexual desire is not if it is possible, but rather if it is sin or not.

I think for the answer to that we have to understand what it means when God said they would be one flesh. And also, who will be considered as one after the resurrection? But again, that is another question.

 

[fozzy]

Son by its very definition means son, child or offspring. Angels were not conceived by some mama angel. They cannot trace their lineage back the way humans do because they were all created by the hand of God. You cannot say with all accuracy that the sons of God in Job are angels. There are all kinds of beings other than angels in heaven. There are 4 living creatures which I don't know what they are. There are also 24 elders in heaven which are human beings. The sons of God in Job may have been a reference to them.

 

[rick357]

Son by its very definition means son, child or offspring. Angels were not conceived by some mama angel. They cannot trace their lineage back the way humans do because they were all created by the hand of God. You cannot say with all accuracy that the sons of God in Job are angels. There are all kinds of beings other than angels in heaven. There are 4 living creatures which I don't know what they are. There are also 24 elders in heaven which are human beings. The sons of God in Job may have been a reference to them.

With what scripture have you determined the twenty four elders to be human?

*[[Genesis 6:4]]

*ISV* The Nephilim were on the earth at that time (and also immediately afterward), when those divine beings were having sexual relations with those human women, who gave birth to children for them. These children became the heroes and legendary figures of ancient times.

*KJV* There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

*NHEB* The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when God’s sons came in to men’s daughters. They bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

*NHEB-ME* The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when God’s sons came in to men’s daughters. They bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

*RNKJV* There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of Elohim came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

*TS1998* The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of Elohim came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, the men of name.

*WEB* The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when God’s sons came in to men’s daughters and had children with them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

*YLT* The fallen ones were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when sons of God come in unto daughters of men, and they have borne to them--they are the heroes, who, from of old, are the men of name.

I believe this is the verse they are refering to not Job

 

[fozzy]

With what scripture have you determined the twenty four elders to be human?

In Revelation the 24 elders have golden crowns like the saved and are said to be redeemed by the blood of the lamb out of every kindred, tongue, people and nation. Rev. chap. 5

They're not angels.

 

[jbearnolimits]

Son by its very definition means son, child or offspring. Angels were not conceived by some mama angel. They cannot trace their lineage back the way humans do because they were all created by the hand of God. You cannot say with all accuracy that the sons of God in Job are angels. There are all kinds of beings other than angels in heaven. There are 4 living creatures which I don't know what they are. There are also 24 elders in heaven which are human beings. The sons of God in Job may have been a reference to them.

Well, there are a lot of things that could be said about each of the things you just mentioned. But rather than explain each of these things individually I think it is best to stay on topic. So I will just point out that there is precedence of spirit producing flesh and blood with humans.

No, it wasn't just angels I am talking about either. Jesus Himself was born of a virgin through the Spirit. So I will just let everyone search the matter out themselves about if these scriptures spoke of angels or men. Personally I don't see how it could be otherwise, but like I said, the subject is only a small part of the whole.

Here are two questions I would like to ask and hope someone may be able to answer and I believe they relate very well to the OP.

1. What does God mean when He calls the married people one flesh?
2. Who will be considered as one after the resurrection?

 

[rick357]

In Revelation the 24 elders have golden crowns like the saved and are said to be redeemed by the blood of the lamb out of every kindred, tongue, people and nation. Rev. chap. 5

They're not angels.

I didnt say they were angles...not all heavenly host are angles....remember the punctuation was added later....so two choices of proper interpretation
1) this declaration is the prayer of the saints not the elders
2)both the beast and the elders are redeamed men

*[[Rev 5:7-12]] RNKJV*
%v 7% And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
%v 8% And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
%v 9% And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to יהוה by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
%v 10% And hast made us unto our Elohim kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
%v 11% And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
%v 12% Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

Should be noted the redeemed saints are under the alter not in the throne room untill the sixth seal is opened.

 

[fozzy]

So there is a possibility that the 'sons of God' are not angels. Thanks, that's all I wanted too know.

 

[rick357]

So there is a possibility that the 'sons of God' are not angels. Thanks, that's all I wanted too know.

Yes its possible...but how does a God worshiper having children with a idol worshiper make ak mighty man or man of renown or for that matter a giant?

 

[Gunny]

In heaven, will we be without sexual desire...?

Yes, we will definitely be without sexual desire in heaven.

 

[Johnnz]

In heaven, will we be without sexual desire...?

Yes, we will definitely be without sexual desire in heaven.

Really? Why?

John
NZ