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If one love their neighbor then they are essentially doing ALL the Law requires of them. which means that the commandment REPLACES the Law entirely.

That does not make sense - and Paul affirms this to be so.

"Do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! in fact we Establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31

The Law of Love in Lev 19:18 did not wipe out Exodus 20 -- in Moses' day ... or in any day since.

Both AND exist.

And Christ does not say in Matt 22 "Love your neighbor as yourself wipes out the Law of God" as some have bent it.

in Christ,

Bob
 
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Hmm! then if that's true how does the verses I quoted back up your claim of Rev 14:12?
Revelation 14:12 stands just fine without someone else trying to nullify the commandments of God, in an effort to replace them with the Mosaic covenant.
 
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Yes folks. if you love your neighbor you can IGNORE the Sabbath command entirely..... forever.
I'm going to wager no one remembers the challenge made in the OP of this thread. That challenge has never been met with anything to refute the point Cribstyl made there.
 
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That does not make sense - and Paul affirms this to be so.

"Do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! in fact we Establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31

The Law of Love in Lev 19:18 did not wipe out Exodus 20 -- in Moses' day ... or in any day since.

Both AND exist.

And Christ does not say in Matt 22 "Love your neighbor as yourself wipes out the Law of God" as some have bent it.

in Christ,

Bob
You are calling folks liars here.... you know there is scripture equating loving your neighbor fulfills ALL the requirements of the Law upon us.... thus negating it entirely. I won't bother posting scripture as you ignore scripture that you don't post yourself.
 
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I'm going to wager no one remembers the challenge made in the OP of this thread. That challenge has never been met with anything to refute the point Cribstyl made there.
Lots of challenges have been made... and we only get evasiveness and torturing of God's word to the point of calling the authors of the Bible liars. You saw how I tried to get Gibs to admit that one who doesn't keep the Sabbath is damned. He didn't seem to get the logical sense that unless it is that serious in their heads that they would be be banned from heaven if they were not to keep it then why should others give them any thought of keeping the Sabbath? Why bother if it is voluntary? Why demand the keeping of a voluntary commandment?
 
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You are calling folks liars here.... you know there is scripture equating loving your neighbor fulfills ALL the requirements of the Law upon us.... thus negating it entirely. I won't bother posting scripture as you ignore scripture that you don't post yourself.
Well, Bob has shown a habit of ignoring Scripture that he does manage to post, so I don't completely agree with your assessment.
 
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Well, Bob has shown a habit of ignoring Scripture that he does manage to post, so I don't completely agree with your assessment.
Thats true..... he is like a blind man shooting anything that makes noise here thinking he is a big game hunter in it all but instead of shooting bullets or shells he splatters verses almost at random it seems. The fact we constantly point out in the scripture he posts things that contradict his theology that he totally ignores and refuses to address our posts about it means he is blind to anything we say here.
 
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Lots of challenges have been made... and we only get evasiveness and torturing of God's word to the point of calling the authors of the Bible liars. You saw how I tried to get Gibs to admit that one who doesn't keep the Sabbath is damned. He didn't seem to get the logical sense that unless it is that serious in their heads that they would be be banned from heaven if they were not to keep it then why should others give them any thought of keeping the Sabbath? Why bother if it is voluntary? Why demand the keeping of a voluntary commandment?
Now that's just plain good - voluntary commandment. Funny how violating that voluntary commandment can keep someone out of heaven.
 
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Now that's just plain good - voluntary commandment. Funny how violating that voluntary commandment can keep someone out of heaven.
If they won't admit it is mandatory then it must be voluntary which means I can violate it if I want to even though to my eyes the Sabbath is an invalid commandment for me anyway.... non sequitor.
 
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I found an excerpt from the missing 4/7/11 article called Life Among the Sadventists Article. Sure would like to read the whole thing if someone has it and could post it.

"The Seventh-day Adventist cult's "prophet" and founder, the alcoholic, masturbation-obsessed habitual plagiarist Ellen G. White, was astonishingly fanatical and legalistic, and let's face it, folks, crazier than a bag of wet cats. At the age of nine, Ellen was hit in the head with a rock, which resulted in her being comatose for three weeks. Many think this trauma damaged her brain in ways that could have caused her extreme zealotry -- I prefer to call it religious lunacy -- which involved what she claimed were visions shown her by god, visitations by angels, and even a trip to Jupiter. Others think she was a calculating, greedy, power-hungry fraud. Some think she was a combination of both... Over the years, there have been endless revisions and changes made in Ellen's writings by the Sadventist Powers That Be to cover up some of her more embarrassing statements or obvious errors, which seems odd if her infallible writings are divinely inspired. Nevertheless, nearly a century after her death, Ellen's writings are still the arbiter of doctrine and scriptural interpretation in the cult."
 
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Just bring us Sabbath keepers outright straight forward out of His Word some scripture that God changed the Sabbath to Sunday.

Many of you have tried valiantly and have found it is just not there!

So why keep up a useless argument?
The "useless argument" is a straw-man fallacy that isn't valid. This has been pointed out nearly a dozen times already.
 
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Just bring us Sabbath keepers outright straight forward out of His Word some scripture that God changed the Sabbath to Sunday.

Many of you have tried valiantly and have found it is just not there!

So why keep up a useless argument?
I dunno. What can I say and stay out of trouble. Looks to me the argument is perpetuated above while calling opposition to cease. This isn't an evangelism forum. Its supposed be a discussion forum.
 
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I dunno. What can I say and stay out of trouble. Looks to me the argument is perpetuated above while calling opposition to cease. This isn't an evangelism forum. Its supposed be a discussion forum.

A valid proof text would suffice to end the discussion
 
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We've done so on several occasions. It is thrown out like the trash.

Nothing has come across yet that would be valid that the change to Sunday was ever made of God, Jesus or any Prophet.

Don't come out shortchanged by the clever theology of men.
 
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