Sabbath was made for man

[from scratch]

He said "if" because not all do and far fewer today. James only had the one and only law in mind that God wrote in stone for us.

Have it your way this is bugger king.

 

[Sophrosyne]

What you're calling the Royal Law isn't part of the Ten Commandments. Surely you're not advocating keeping the whole law. James is speaking to Jews about what they're doing. James isn't telling us to keep the law.

You have to realize that the word "law" always means 10 commandments to these Sabbath folks... also other words they play this game with like Command, Commandments, Rules, etc. They are brainwashed to believe the 10 commandments existed always such that they can outright ignore the Bible when it declares them being given to Israel only.

 

[from scratch]

They had made a burden of the sacrificial laws same as they did the Royal.

The sacrifices were a gruesome thing anyway and meant to be as they pointed to the slaughter of the Prince of Life.

The continuous killing and shedding of blood would be against me, would it not be for you. Telling each time of the coming slaughter of the Son of God.

Sure they knew of it, read all of Isa 53: here is one verse,

Isa 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

You probably eat white bread without the crust and certainly not the heel. It appears you live or try to live in a sterile environment. My food grows in manure and other organic waste. I shovel lots of it. Yours comes from a clean supermarket. They manufacture it in the back room.

 

[Gibs]

What you're calling the Royal Law isn't part of the Ten Commandments. Surely you're not advocating keeping the whole law. James is speaking to Jews about what they're doing. James isn't telling us to keep the law.

Dear Scratch,

These verses of James 2: are a flowing context that cannot be broken, verse 2:8 is held in context of his utterances through the next ones, 9, 10, 11, and 12.

Jas 2:8 ¶ If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

 

[Gibs]

Yes the Royal law is the 10 commandments God by His finger wrote in stone and gave a copy to Moses that was in the Ark of His Testament in His Temple in Heaven close to His Throne,

Re 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

 

[from scratch]

You have to realize that the word "law" always means 10 commandments to these Sabbath folks... also other words they play this game with like Command, Commandments, Rules, etc. They are brainwashed to believe the 10 commandments existed always such that they can outright ignore the Bible when it declares them being given to Israel only.

Yes the Bible to them is source of quotes with code words. The code words put them into a trance.

 

[from scratch]

Dear Scratch,

These verses of James 2: are a flowing context that cannot be broken, verse 2:8 is held in context of his utterances through the next ones, 9, 10, 11, and 12.

Jas 2:8 ¶ If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Its OK for you to imply I'm ignorant. I understand.

 

[from scratch]

Yes the Royal law is the 10 commandments God by His finger wrote in stone and gave a copy to Moses that was in the Ark of His Testament in His Temple in Heaven close to His Throne,

Re 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

So sorry but I don't find it in the Ten Commandments.

 

[Gibs]

Yes the Bible to them is source of quotes with code words. The code words put them into a trance.

It was also stated "You have to realize that the word "law" always means 10 commandments to these Sabbath folks"...

It appears to me you both have it turned around that the law always means the 10 commandments as when it is clear that only the sacrificial laws are the only ones fulfilled by Christ on the cross and then nailed to it.

It is not us Sabbath keepers that have trouble seeing the 10 commandment law is not the law of sacrifices that Jesus fulfilled.

No it is not us the "code words" put in a trance. One meaning of "code" is a set of laws.

Yes the law of sacrifices was done away with but the Royal law is as immutable as God is Himself, it is His law of Love of which He is the very height of, the Epitome!

 

[VictorC]

You have to realize that the word "law" always means 10 commandments to these Sabbath folks... also other words they play this game with like Command, Commandments, Rules, etc. They are brainwashed to believe the 10 commandments existed always such that they can outright ignore the Bible when it declares them being given to Israel only.

We should review the nature of Gib's belief system, which he never commented further on.

You are welcome to check their book of membership and you will find I am not in it. I do know Adventism theology well as I do many of the denominations as I made a thorough study of many to see if I could be a part.

Adventism fell away after 1888 and left off in continuing reform. Reform for all of us must be a continuing program.

What a curious statement. What happened in 1888 with regard to Adventist theology? Oh, my...

This was when E. J. Waggoner influenced the SDA pioneers into accepting the doctrine of the trinity. In other words, this is when the SDA "church" transitioned from their Arian roots to a Trinitarian heterodox sect just a little bit closer to Christianity.

In other words, modern Adventism doesn't suit your preferences as well as when it was a full-blown cult. So what really suits you? The SDA sister in origin, the Jehovah's Witnesses? Or maybe one of the SDA offshoots, such as the Branch Davidians or Shephard's Rod?

This adds to the Biblical illiteracy you bring to the forum in causing us to question your nauseating and unsupportable claims whenever you apply "true christians" to yourself.

And, you are not responding with a defense for any of the nonsense you postulate on this forum.

 

[Gibs]

So sorry but I don't find it in the Ten Commandments.

Dear Scratch, that is where the original 10 commandments are and were made a copy of, and given to men, those in the Ark of His Testament in His Temple in Heaven.

All Heaven abides by them, only Satan and his rebelled and now are cast out into this earth the bottomless pit and Satan's prison house for us.

 

[VictorC]

It was also stated "You have to realize that the word "law" always means 10 commandments to these Sabbath folks"...

It appears to me you both have it turned around that the law always means the 10 commandments as when it is clear that only the sacrificial laws are the only ones fulfilled by Christ on the cross and then nailed to it.

It is not us Sabbath keepers that have trouble seeing the 10 commandment law is not the law of sacrifices that Jesus fulfilled.

No it is not us the "code words" put in a trance. One meaning of "code" is a set of laws.

Yes the law of sacrifices was done away with but the Royal law is as immutable as God is Himself, it is His law of Love of which He is the very height of, the Epitome!

If you truly knew the Law, you would have realized that the Sabbath is spread all over in places you don't take into consideration. This alone makes imposing an artificial division in the Law impossible. And, if you argue that sacrifices were ended, this also ends the Sabbath because it demands burnt offerings, and the lambs required were obviously sacrificed.

Besides, search the Law for "You shall not covet". This quotes Exodus 20:17 and Deuteronomy 5:21, and is found nowhere else. This quote identifies the Law we have been delivered from, as Paul shows in Romans 7.

 

[from scratch]

Yes the Royal law is the 10 commandments God by His finger wrote in stone and gave a copy to Moses that was in the Ark of His Testament in His Temple in Heaven close to His Throne,

Re 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

From what you've posted so far I've no clue how you arrive at such a conclusion.

 

[from scratch]

It was also stated "You have to realize that the word "law" always means 10 commandments to these Sabbath folks"...

When doesn't it?

It appears to me you both have it turned around that the law always means the 10 commandments as when it is clear that only the sacrificial laws are the only ones fulfilled by Christ on the cross and then nailed to it.

Sorry but that's not anywhere close to what Jesus Himself said.

It is not us Sabbath keepers that have trouble seeing the 10 commandment law is not the law of sacrifices that Jesus fulfilled.

No it is not us the "code words" put in a trance. One meaning of "code" is a set of laws.

Yes the law of sacrifices was done away with but the Royal law is as immutable as God is Himself, it is His law of Love of which He is the very height of, the Epitome!

No "code" is a means of communicating. You probably have no military experience. Messages are sent in code all the time. There is also Morse code. Your puter works on code. Its in this sense I use the phrase "code words".

 

[Gibs]

From what you've posted so far I've no clue how you arrive at such a conclusion.

It was His Spirit of Truth that cleared that and more up to me,

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

He is the one and only trusted teacher we can have and the beauty of it is, He is available 24 hrs. a day the yrs. through to the consummation.

 

[from scratch]

It was His Spirit of Truth that cleared that and more up to me,

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

He is the one and only trusted teacher we can have and the beauty of it is, He is available 24 hrs. a day the yrs. through to the consummation.

Your posting history won't allow me to believe that.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Your posting history won't allow me to believe that.

There is a lot of wackos out there that claim that God told them this and that such that I pretty much ignore things till they line up with scripture.

 

[VictorC]

There is a lot of wackos out there that claim that God told them this and that such that I pretty much ignore things till they line up with scripture.

I consider the claim that someone needs to keep a commandment God never gave to them is just as grievous as ignoring a commandment God actually did issue. We have a lot of whackos calling the tenets of Judaism "christianity" and demanding that we ignore God's rest and revert to the periodic Sabbath, and it comes across as a heinous affront to the Gospel of God's redemption as His own.

 

[Gibs]

There is a lot of wackos out there that claim that God told them this and that such that I pretty much ignore things till they line up with scripture.

I won't use the word "wackos" but dear ones it is the folks who do not have His Spirit of Truth with and in them that read and understand His Word in error.

 

[Sophrosyne]

I won't use the word "wackos" but dear ones it is the folks who do not have His Spirit of Truth with and in them that read and understand His Word in error.

More often than not these "wackos" I broadly see ARE the ones that pridefully proclaim the REASON they are right IS because they have HIS Spirit (of Truth) testifying to them. The FBI has dealt with a few of the extreme examples of people claiming to be hearing from God (having HIS Spirit of Truth in them). As far as reading and understanding the Bible without error.... NOBODY does that ALL are in error. I tend to see warning signs when someone who is preaching and promoting online uses this reasoning to essentially inversely proclaim those who disagree with them do NOT have his Spirit of Truth in them. If they are indeed hearing in a spiritual sense then that person is essentially CONDEMNING them to listening to a false spirit by proclaiming only they have the Spirit of Truth.

I try to avoid using this "I got God speaking to me" argument to IGNORE the arguments of others here because if I am found to be wrong then essentially I would be guilty on a parallel course of attributing a false spirit unto the Holy Spirit which is heading in the direction of unforgiveable blaphemy by attributing works for the Holy Spirit to demons (false spirits).