US swaps 5 Gitmo prisoners for US soldiers release, but many questions remain

[katautumn]

I guess "we leave no soldier behind" is a meaningless phrase.

When a soldier deliberately deserts their post, I believe they forfeit the title of "soldier" and all of the benefits and privileges that come with it. The real soldiers came home to their families in caskets. You know, the ones sent in to find the traitor?

 

[Armoured]

When a soldier deliberately deserts their post, I believe they forfeit the title of "soldier" and all of the benefits and privileges that come with it. The real soldiers came home to their families in caskets. You know, the ones sent in to find the traitor?

He's had a trial has he? He must have done, otherwise how else would you know he deliberately deserted anything?

 

[katautumn]

He's had a trial has he? He must have done, otherwise how else would you know he deliberately deserted anything?

The exchanges between Bergdahl and his father, prior to his desertion, are quite revealing. There is much anti-American sentiment being expressed. Bergdahl left camp on his own volition. He wasn't abducted from his post. He walked away willingly. I truly believe this was nothing short of a very well crafted ploy to have Gitmo detainees released. A political coup. Fellow members of his platoon were forced to sign nondisclosure agreements following his disappearance, but some have come forward, on the record, to state Bergdahl is a deserter, and his actions put a lot of people's lives in danger, and cost six men their lives.

If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to admit it, but this whole thing stinks to high heaven and my prayer is that the unintended consequences won't be disastrous.

 

[Armoured]

The exchanges between Bergdahl and his father, prior to his desertion, are quite revealing. There is much anti-American sentiment being expressed. Bergdahl left camp on his own volition. He wasn't abducted from his post. He walked away willingly. I truly believe this was nothing short of a very well crafted ploy to have Gitmo detainees released. A political coup. Fellow members of his platoon were forced to sign nondisclosure agreements following his disappearance, but some have come forward, on the record, to state Bergdahl is a deserter, and his actions put a lot of people's lives in danger, and cost six men their lives.

If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to admit it, but this whole thing stinks to high heaven and my prayer is that the unintended consequences won't be disastrous.

Guess we'll see. My own view is that even accused deserters should be able to rely on their government to try to get them home, even if it means return to a trial and punishment.

 

[theophilus777]

The initial point was a comparison of the American Revolution to the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan.

You call that a point?

 

[Armoured]

You call that a point?

Far out. YOU were the one who started the discussion, FCOL http://www.christianforums.com/t7825504-16/#post65744907

 

[SaphireOwl]

Ever since Nam, yep.

What a horrible truth that is.

 

[theophilus777]

Guess we'll see. My own view is that even accused deserters should be able to rely on their government to try to get them home, even if it means return to a trial and punishment.

Ever hear what US did about our POWs in Viet Nam? For all we know some are still alive there and being tortured.

 

[Sistrin]

On this issue the President is either clueless, placing his extreme narcissism on display, or illustrating where his true sympathies lie. Whichever, this article makes some good solid points.

Why Team Obama Was Blindsided by the Bergdahl Backlash

Congratulations, Mr. President! And identical congrats to your sorcerer’s apprentice, National Security Adviser Susan Rice. By trying to sell him as an American hero, you’ve turned a deserter already despised by soldiers in the know into quite possibly the most-hated individual soldier in the history of our military.

I have never witnessed such outrage from our troops.

Exhibit A: Ms. Rice. In one of the most tone-deaf statements in White House history (we’re making a lot of history here), the national-security adviser, on a Sunday talk show, described Bergdahl as having served “with honor and distinction.” Those serving in uniform and those of us who served previously were already stirred up, but that jaw-dropper drove us into jihad mode.

But pity Ms. Rice. Like the president she serves, she’s a victim of her class. Nobody in the inner circle of Team Obama has served in uniform. It shows. That bit about serving with “honor and distinction” is the sort of perfunctory catch-phrase politicians briefly don as electoral armor. (“At this point in your speech, ma’am, devote one sentence to how much you honor the troops.”)

Source: Why Team Obama Was Blindsided by the Bergdahl Backlash | National Review Online

As a veteran I have always found it amazing listening to liberals talk about how they honor the troops. They don't know the first thing about it.

 

[Armoured]

Ever hear what US did about our POWs in Viet Nam? For all we know some are still alive there and being tortured.

Rambo ll was a documentary.

 

[revanneosl]

As a veteran I have always found it amazing listening to liberals talk about how they honor the troops. They don't know the first thing about it.

As a liberal, a Navy wife, and the daughter of a Marine, I have always found it amazing listening to conservatives talk about how they honor the troops. They don't want to pay them, or arrange for their medical care, or protect them from sexual assault, or make it possible for them to get jobs post-discharge.

It's sort of like all they want to do is to treat actual human beings as if they were nothing more than convenient symbols.

 

[conamer]

As a liberal, a Navy wife, and the daughter of a Marine, I have always found it amazing listening to conservatives talk about how they honor the troops. They don't want to pay them, or arrange for their medical care, or protect them from sexual assault, or make it possible for them to get jobs post-discharge.

It's sort of like all they want to do is to treat actual human beings as if they were nothing more than convenient symbols.

We have examples of this clueless behavior right before us, you have personal beliefs based not nothing.

 

[JustOneWay]

As a liberal, a Navy wife, and the daughter of a Marine, I have always found it amazing listening to conservatives talk about how they honor the troops. They don't want to pay them, or arrange for their medical care, or protect them from sexual assault, or make it possible for them to get jobs post-discharge.

It's sort of like all they want to do is to treat actual human beings as if they were nothing more than convenient symbols.

Don't take his words personally. They were posted to get a reaction. One could say he knows nothing about liberals, but that point would be moot because it appears that he speaks for veterans as if they are all hardened conservatives.

 

[Sistrin]

As a liberal, a Navy wife, and the daughter of a Marine, I have always found it amazing listening to conservatives talk about how they honor the troops. They don't want to pay them, or arrange for their medical care, or protect them from sexual assault, or make it possible for them to get jobs post-discharge.

This is projection. [Staff Edit]

Don't take his words personally. They were posted to get a reaction.

They were posted because they are accurate. For someone to say, as liberals did all throughout the Bush years, that they support the troops but not the mission they are given shows they understand neither.

One could say he knows nothing about liberals...

I know their tendencies, which includes a great capacity to judge, categorize, and dismiss others because they don't hold the same opinions, views, and ideals as promoted by the left.

but that point would be moot because it appears that he speaks for veterans as if they are all hardened conservatives.

I speak for veterans as if they were veterans. Regardless of political affiliation, veterans know someone who willfully abandoned his post and betrayed the trust of his fellow soldiers is no hero, and a President who would call such a man a hero is either an idiot or simply a liberal/progressive.

 

[MachZer0]

As a liberal, a Navy wife, and the daughter of a Marine, I have always found it amazing listening to conservatives talk about how they honor the troops. They don't want to pay them, or arrange for their medical care, or protect them from sexual assault, or make it possible for them to get jobs post-discharge.

It's sort of like all they want to do is to treat actual human beings as if they were nothing more than convenient symbols.

It never amazes me how people misrepresent the conservative position

 

[Sunshine Locket]

5 prisoners closer to closing Gitmo.

Um, yeah. And where do you suggest we put the other terrorist detainees? Or what do we do with the enemy combatants there that weren't in love with us before. And sure aren't going to love us now after all these years of accommodation at the Git.

 

[Sunshine Locket]

It never amazes me how people misrepresent the conservative position

While denying the Liberal culpability in all things they condemn in this case? No kidding.

One of these days they'll have one of their own in the White house and then things can get done from the Liberal perspective.

 

[JustOneWay]

This is projection. [Staff Edit]


They were posted because they are accurate. For someone to say, as liberals did all throughout the Bush years, that they support the troops but not the mission they are given shows they understand neither.



I know their tendencies, which includes a great capacity to judge, categorize, and dismiss others because they don't hold the same opinions, views, and ideals as promoted by the left.



I speak for veterans as if they were veterans. Regardless of political affiliation, veterans know someone who willfully abandoned his post and betrayed the trust of his fellow soldiers is no hero, and a President who would call such a man a hero is either an idiot or simply a liberal/progressive.

You speak for veterans

All veteran are you....all except the liberal ones.

 

[revanneosl]

As a liberal, a Navy wife, and the daughter of a Marine, I have always found it amazing listening to conservatives talk about how they honor the troops. They don't want to pay them, or arrange for their medical care, or protect them from sexual assault, or make it possible for them to get jobs post-discharge.

It's sort of like all they want to do is to treat actual human beings as if they were nothing more than convenient symbols.

This is projection. [Staff Edit]

It never amazes me how people misrepresent the conservative position

Republican congress members high-five each other after blocking a military pay raise, then arrest the mother of a veteran when she complains.

Republicans block bill to expand VA funding

Republicans block vote on Military Sexual Assault bill

Republican Senators block military jobs bill

"Projection" I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Likewise "misrepresent"

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Republican congress members high-five each other after blocking a military pay raise, then arrest the mother of a veteran when she complains.

Republicans block bill to expand VA funding

Republicans block vote on Military Sexual Assault bill

I might be reading these wrong but it appears that the GOP was trying to add on an amendment to these bills that would allow for sanctions of Iran.

I'd have to ask them the relevance of sanctions to helping our soldiers.

Republican Senators block military jobs bill

They blocked this one because it violated limits set previously.

"Projection" I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Likewise "misrepresent"

I don't understand the whole "Iran Sanctions" amendments, but I know that special amendments are made to bills all the time. It seems that the Dems closed amendments or blocked amendments on these bills. That gets tricky as far as whose fault it is that funding was blocked. There's a lot that goes on behind closed doors when it comes to those bills.