Which Law are we not under?

[pyramid33]

First of all, no Christian thinks you can lie and steal etc.

Sweet, the 10 commandments are against those already.

 

[annier]

Sweet, the 10 commandments are against those already.

That's correct. The Israelites were not to walk against these commands anymore than the nations were allowed to walk against them.
Lev 18:24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled
28 That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.

What were these abominations? They were the FULNESS OF THE SINS of the Nations they were called out to destroy.

Ge 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

 

[Sophrosyne]

I hardly doubt that Peter or James condemned those that worship God on sabbath.

That is beside the point, the point is that they totally IGNORED the idea that Christians should be commanded to keep the Sabbath at the council. They could have easily said keep the 10 commandments, or keep the Sabbath or anything that would have equated what people are advocating here yet guess what? You have NOTHING from the council to back up any demands or commands on Christians.

All they had to do is command ANY obvious laws be kept at the council and they totally did NOTHING of the sort but talked about the opposite and passed an edict equating NO mosaic laws be imposed upon gentile Christians.
You can spin all you want but the top 3 apostles got you backed into a corner on this..... NO Law on gentiles believers.

 

[LarryP2]

I hardly doubt that Peter or James condemned those that worship God on sabbath.

Yeah, but THEIR disciple sure did. Ignatius of Antioch, disciple of St. Peter and St. John, strongly-condemned Sabbath Keeping in his letter in 107 AD to the Magneiums and undoubtedly did exactly as he was instructed by the Apostles:

"Be not deceived with strange doctrines, nor with old fables, which are unprofitable. For if we still live according to the Jewish law, we acknowledge that we have not received grace. For the divinest prophets lived according to Christ Jesus.
.....
If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death— whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master— how shall we be able to live apart from Him, whose disciples the prophets themselves in the Spirit did wait for Him as their Teacher?"

CHURCH FATHERS: Epistle to the Magnesians (St. Ignatius)

Undoubtedly those many First and Second-century Martyrs who died gruesome and grizzly deaths rather than denounce their Faith would have agreed with this:

"Seventh Day Adventists deny the resurrection by observing the Sabbath. We come to church on Sunday, the Lord's Day, to worship Him who "died for our sins, and rose again for our justification." We worship a living Savior, and with thanksgiving, can sing:
"He lives, He lives, Christ Jesus lives today!"
If I worship Christ on Saturday I deny that His work is finished, that He is a resurrected, living Savior.

Christianity unequivocally denounced the Galatians, Judaizing and Ebionite heresies, ALL of which tried to get Christians to adopt Sabbath Keeping in the First Century. Acts 15 and the Council of Jerusalem made it clear that Gentiles were only bound by the Noahide Laws, and denounced the attempts by the Pharisees to bind them to the Mosaic Law. Paul harshly denounced the Judaizers in Romans, Galatians and Colossians.

Make no mistake: Sabbath Keeping has been condemned by Christianity for 2,000 years as one of the worst of all anti-Christian heresies.

Sweet, the 10 commandments are against those already.

And so are the Noahide laws that actually apply to Gentiles! Isn't it cool how although the Mosaic Law was given specifically and only to the Israelites; that another set of laws were given specifically to the Gentiles, who weren't even part of the Mosaic covenant? Can we put aside Ellen White's extremely stupid argument that the repeal of the Ten Commandments would lead directly to Christians murdering and thieving? Those things are prohibited by the Noahide laws too. These absurd arguments about the Ten Commandments have gone on for 150 years. That is more than adequate time for Seventh Day Adventists to broadcast and parrot one of the most cravenly stupid ideas in history.

 

[SAAN]

DO people on here even realize who the New Covenant was given to?? IT WAS NOT THE GENTILES!!!

Jeremiah 31:31-34


A New Covenant

31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them,[a] says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”



In Jesus/Yahushah/Yeshua or whatever some many refer to him as on here we are all ONE in him...Jews, Gentiles, Male, Female.

Ephesians 2:12-13


12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.


-Before being grafted into Israel, the Gentiles had no hope.




Ephesians 2:19-22

19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

Ephesians 3:6


6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel,

Acts 15:8-9

8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.



Romans 10:12-13

New King James Version (NKJV)

12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”[a]





When we are saved we are grafted into Israel, not the other was around.

 

[SAAN]

Do people on here even realize who the New Covenant was given to?? IT WAS NOT THE GENTILES!!!

Jeremiah 31:31-34
A New Covenant
31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them,[a] says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”



In Jesus/Yahushah/Yeshua or whatever some many refer to him as on here we are all ONE in him...Jews, Gentiles, Male, Female.

Ephesians 2:12-13
12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.


-Before being grafted into Israel, the Gentiles had no hope.




Ephesians 2:19-22
19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

Ephesians 3:6
6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel,

Acts 15:8-9
8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.


Romans 10:12-13
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”[a]





When we are saved we are grafted into Israel, not the other was around. We are spiritual Israel.

 

[Frogster]

DO people on here even realize who the New Covenant was given to?? IT WAS NOT THE GENTILES!!!

Jeremiah 31:31-34


A New Covenant

31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them,[a] says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”



In Jesus/Yahushah/Yeshua or whatever some many refer to him as on here we are all ONE in him...Jews, Gentiles, Male, Female.

Ephesians 2:12-13


12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.


-Before being grafted into Israel, the Gentiles had no hope.




Ephesians 2:19-22

19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

Ephesians 3:6


6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel,

Acts 15:8-9

8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.



Romans 10:12-13

New King James Version (NKJV)

12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”[a]





When we are saved we are grafted into Israel, not the other was around.

Then why was Paul a new cov minister, 2 Cor 3:6? And the new cov was being taken in 1 Cor 11, bt the predominantly gentile filled church in corinth!
And in 2 Cor 3 this New Cov was happening, the Spirit was in jew and Greek, WE all, a collective pronoun, jew and greek are being transformed, so you are flat out wrong. Paul said you are our epistles, being written by the Spirit, in 2 Cor 3 also.

If you say gentiles are not in the new cov, you are saying we do not have sin remission, a high priest, a throne of grace, we can not go through the curtain of Heb 10, we do not have an anchor for the soul, we are not in his family, that of chapter 2, we....

Jesus is not interceeding for us Heb 9:24, and 7:25?

 

[LarryP2]

SAAN,
That is utter garbage.

Acts 15 makes it absolutely clear that the Gentiles were and are the subject of the New Covenant and were emphatically NOT "grafted onto" the Israelite nation. The Laws of Moses emphatically prohibited such a thing. You need to do more homework. Acts 15 could not have made it clearer that the Gentiles and Jews were under separate covenants, but BOTH were part of the New Covenant.

Once again, any argument that Gentiles could be part of the Mosaic Law or should follow it have been denounced and prohibited for thousands of years by the Mosaic Law itself. Acts 15 and the letter to the Gentile Christians in Antioch that was produced by the Council of Jerusalem simply reiterated the settled Mosaic Law that had been in effect for thousands of years. It applied the existing law that was enforced in Jerusalem by the Sanhedrin against any Gentile under its jurisdiction, and applied them to Gentile Christians living in Antioch, and thus not under the Sanhedrin's jurisdiction.

Adventists have simply tried to graft on the Old Covenant to Christianity in order to exploit and control them and to inflict doubts about their Salvation and the fullness of the atonement completed and finalized on the Cross. The Pharisees tried and failed to do that in Acts 15 against the Gentile Christians in Antioch. The Judaizers in Galatia were ripped to shreds by St. Paul. And the First and Second Century Ebionite heresy was shredded by Ignatius of Antioch and Justin Martyr and Polycarp.

Seventh Day Adventism is simply a fraud, a extremely devious modern effort to revive a heresy that was rejected by Christianity THREE times by the end of the second century.

 

[Frogster]

Do people on here even realize who the New Covenant was given to?? IT WAS NOT THE GENTILES!!!

Jeremiah 31:31-34
A New Covenant
31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them,[a] says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”



In Jesus/Yahushah/Yeshua or whatever some many refer to him as on here we are all ONE in him...Jews, Gentiles, Male, Female.

Ephesians 2:12-13
12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.


-Before being grafted into Israel, the Gentiles had no hope.




Ephesians 2:19-22
19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

Ephesians 3:6
6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel,

Acts 15:8-9
8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.


Romans 10:12-13
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”[a]





When we are saved we are grafted into Israel, not the other was around. We are spiritual Israel.

How are we grafted into israel, when the one new kainos man of Eph 2;15, came after the abolishment of jewish law?


Dude, eph 2 goes into a spiritual temple, the church, not israel, in 3:10, now through the CHURCH, the grace is shown, paul did not go into israel in his definition/description if you read more.

Besides, Eph 3:6 says heirs, and promise, that is Abrahamic wordage, Abraham the guy Paul used to take down law, curcumcision, nationalism, racism, ethnic jewish pride...it says gospel in 3:6, that is for jew and greek, the same body, and it is spiritual, no longer about jew and greek, gal 3:28, Col 3:11.

lets let go of this whole grafted into israel notion.

 

[Frogster]

Do people on here even realize who the New Covenant was given to?? IT WAS NOT THE GENTILES!!!

Jeremiah 31:31-34
A New Covenant
31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them,[a] says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”



In Jesus/Yahushah/Yeshua or whatever some many refer to him as on here we are all ONE in him...Jews, Gentiles, Male, Female.

Ephesians 2:12-13
12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.


-Before being grafted into Israel, the Gentiles had no hope.




Ephesians 2:19-22
19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

Ephesians 3:6
6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel,

Acts 15:8-9
8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.


Romans 10:12-13
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”[a]





When we are saved we are grafted into Israel, not the other was around. We are spiritual Israel.

which israel are you talking about?

 

[SAAN]

which israel are you talking about?

We might not be the physical nation of Israel, but the bible clearly says the New Covenant was for Israel, that is why I say we are grafted in as spiritual Israel when we get saved.


“Israel” not only referred to Jacob, but also to his descendants—who became Israel. The same principle is seen in the New Testament.

God told the ancient Israelites, “And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation” Ex 19:6. In the New Testament, Peter applies these exact words to the church: “But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people” 1 Peter 2:9.

Galatians 3:29
29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.


So in the New Testament, the name Israel not only applies to Jesus Christ, but also to those who are born in Christ—His Church! In other words, all true Christians are now God’s spiritual Israel


The church is called the body of Christ 1 cor 12:27. so when James, when writing to the church, addresses it as the 12 tribes that are scattered abroad in James 1:1. From the very beginning, the church has understood Israel to mean a spiritual body of Christ.

 

[LarryP2]

We might not be the physical nation of Israel, but the bible clearly says the New Covenant was for Israel, that is why I say we are grafted in as spiritual Israel when we get saved.


“Israel” not only referred to Jacob, but also to his descendants—who became Israel. The same principle is seen in the New Testament.

God told the ancient Israelites, “And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation” Ex 19:6. In the New Testament, Peter applies these exact words to the church: “But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people” 1 Peter 2:9.

Galatians 3:29
29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.


So in the New Testament, the name Israel not only applies to Jesus Christ, but also to those who are born in Christ—His Church! In other words, all true Christians are now God’s spiritual Israel


The church is called the body of Christ 1 cor 12:27. so when James, when writing to the church, addresses it as the 12 tribes that are scattered abroad in James 1:1. From the very beginning, the church has understood Israel to mean a spiritual body of Christ.

Wrong again! Israelite was distinguished from all of the Nations around it by its possession and obedience to the Mosaic Laws. The Laws on their face state that they were limited to the Israelite slaves freed from Egyptian captivity. They were distinguished by circumcision and the Sabbath.

Christians are distinguished by their possession of, and obedience to Grace, and by their focus on the Resurrection. They are distinguished by baptism and partaking of the Lord's Supper.

 

[Frogster]

We might not be the physical nation of Israel, but the bible clearly says the New Covenant was for Israel, that is why I say we are grafted in as spiritual Israel when we get saved.


“Israel” not only referred to Jacob, but also to his descendants—who became Israel. The same principle is seen in the New Testament.

God told the ancient Israelites, “And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation” Ex 19:6. In the New Testament, Peter applies these exact words to the church: “But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people” 1 Peter 2:9.

Galatians 3:29
29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.


So in the New Testament, the name Israel not only applies to Jesus Christ, but also to those who are born in Christ—His Church! In other words, all true Christians are now God’s spiritual Israel


The church is called the body of Christ 1 cor 12:27. so when James, when writing to the church, addresses it as the 12 tribes that are scattered abroad in James 1:1. From the very beginning, the church has understood Israel to mean a spiritual body of Christ.

well, are gentiles in the new cov or not?

 

[SAAN]

Wrong again! Israelite was distinguished from all of the Nations around it by its possession and obedience to the Mosaic Laws. The Laws on their face state that they were limited to the Israelite slaves freed from Egyptian captivity. They were distinguished by circumcision and the Sabbath.

Christians are distinguished by their possession of, and obedience to Grace, and by their focus on the Resurrection. They are distinguished by baptism and partaking of the Lord's Supper.

There was grace in the OT too. No one could keep the law perfect, so they had faith back then too.

Jesus told them to remember his death, not his resurrection and that is why the still kept Passover even many years after Jesus died
Luke 22:19-20


19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.




While I see nothing wrong with celebrating the resurrection or communion in remembrance of him, its still different than what Jesus actually commanded of them. Keep the Passover and take bread and wine in remembrance of him, not substitute it with Easter and start Sunday morning communion.



But there is no wrong in celebrating the resurrection (Minus the Bunny, Egg Hunts, or any other former pagan aspects) or taking weekly communion since God knows our hearts motives, even though some have a giant issue with weekly communion for some reason.

 

[Frogster]

There was grace in the OT too. No one could keep the law perfect, so they had faith back then too.

Jesus told them to remember his death, not his resurrection and that is why the still kept Passover even many years after Jesus died
Luke 22:19-20


19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.




While I see nothing wrong with celebrating the resurrection or communion in remembrance of him, its still different than what Jesus actually commanded of them. Keep the Passover and take bread and wine in remembrance of him, not substitute it with Easter and start Sunday morning communion.



But there is no wrong in celebrating the resurrection (Minus the Bunny, Egg Hunts, or any other former pagan aspects) or taking weekly communion since God knows our hearts motives, even though some have a giant issue with weekly communion for some reason.

God did Acts of grace, but Paul is clear, this grace was hidden, the men of Eph 3:5 did not know about it, 3:9, to make men see what was hidden, secret, his gospel was hidden Rom 16, the prophets of 1 Peter looked for grace, why look for it if they had the grace?

I got more, but for now, rom 5 is clear, it was not until the ONE ACT of the ONE MAN, that began the new reign of grace.

 

[LarryP2]

While I see nothing wrong with celebrating the resurrection or communion in remembrance of him, its still different than what Jesus actually commanded of them. Keep the Passover and take bread and wine in remembrance of him, not substitute it with Easter and start Sunday morning communion.

But there is no wrong in celebrating the resurrection (Minus the Bunny, Egg Hunts, or any other former pagan aspects) or taking weekly communion since God knows our hearts motives, even though some have a giant issue with weekly communion for some reason.

The Church was given FULL authority by Christ to decide which and when and where they would celebrate ANY of the Christian ordinances. Nobody questioned it when First Year Christianity worshiped on Sunday and celebrated Easter on the one-year anniversary of the Resurrection. There is simply a complete ABSENCE of dispute on this.

Seventh Day Adventism has simply decided that they are their own authority. They have the right to do so. But that does not mean that Christianity has the same authority over what it does. And Christianity has waged unrelenting warfare against the ideas that Seventh Day Adventism revived. For 2,000 years, Christianity has rejected the fundamental ideas of Seventh Day Adventism. They are a non-Christian cult.

 

[SAAN]

The Church was given FULL authority by Christ to decide which and when and where they would celebrate ANY of the Christian ordinances. Nobody questioned it when First Year Christianity worshiped on Sunday and celebrated Easter on the one-year anniversary of the Resurrection. There is simply a complete ABSENCE of dispute on this.

Seventh Day Adventism has simply decided that they are their own authority. They have the right to do so. But that does not mean that Christianity has the same authority over what it does. And Christianity has waged unrelenting warfare against the ideas that Seventh Day Adventism revived. For 2,000 years, Christianity has rejected the fundamental ideas of Seventh Day Adventism. They are a non-Christian cult.

You are waaaay off on this on. There was no 1st year of Easter after the cross. I have proved in the "why dont SDA/Sabbatarians keep the Feast days" thread that they celebrated the Feast Days and were still keeping the dietary laws many many years after Christ.

The church has no authority to substitute or cancel out commands of God. Jesus didnt have aurthority to do so, so the church no way has authority to go against what God commands.

Easter is a making of the catholic church. It merged the pagan Bunny, Egg hunts and paintings, hot cross buns, Easter ham all form the former pagan celebration and just substituted passover and slapped the name Jesus on top of the celebration.

Easter didnt come about until a couple hundreds of years after the apostles died and the RCC took it from there as they merged many pagan aspects of Sun God worship into the church to make it easier for pagan to join in Christianity.

Dont fool yourself that there was Eater after the cross because the bible can easily disprove that. The Sabbath was being kept too, the only people who worshiped on Sunday were all in Rome.

As hard as it is to admit and believe, the RCC changed everything and are the main pushers behind Easter, Christmas and Sunday worship. While there is no harm in Sunday worship as we worship God everyday, to say the church can abolish a command of God is ridiculous and only cherry picking of scriptures can back that.

 

[Frogster]

Are gentiles in the new cov or not?

 

[LarryP2]

You are waaaay off on this on. There was no 1st year of Easter after the cross. I have proved in the "why dont SDA/Sabbatarians keep the Feast days" thread that they celebrated the Feast Days and were still keeping the dietary laws many many years after Christ.

The church has no authority to substitute or cancel out commands of God. Jesus didnt have aurthority to do so, so the church no way has authority to go against what God commands.

Easter is a making of the catholic church. It merged the pagan Bunny, Egg hunts and paintings, hot cross buns, Easter ham all form the former pagan celebration and just substituted passover and slapped the name Jesus on top of the celebration.

Easter didnt come about until a couple hundreds of years after the apostles died and the RCC took it from there as they merged many pagan aspects of Sun God worship into the church to make it easier for pagan to join in Christianity.

Dont fool yourself that there was Eater after the cross because the bible can easily disprove that. The Sabbath was being kept too, the only people who worshiped on Sunday were all in Rome.

As hard as it is to admit and believe, the RCC changed everything and are the main pushers behind Easter, Christmas and Sunday worship. While there is no harm in Sunday worship as we worship God everyday, to say the church can abolish a command of God is ridiculous and only cherry picking of scriptures can back that.

Ellen White plagiarized much of the Great Controversy from Wylie's "History of the Protestant Reformation." Wylie's book clearly lays out the history of the dispute between Eastern Orthodox versus Roman Catholicism. Ellen White deceitfully left this entire history out of the Great Controversy. Eastern Orthodoxy is adamant that Sunday Worship and Easter celebration took place in the first year after the Resurrection. The Seventh Day Adventist Church in NONE of their literature mentions this claim, addresses it, let alone even tries to dispute it. It is simply left unmentioned in the Great Controversy. Eastern Orthodoxy is the avowed and committed enemy of the Papacy and would NEVER have started Sunday worship because the Papacy decided to do it. The Papacy never has had, nor ever will have any influence or effect over Easter Orthodoxy.

Ellen White simply concocted one of history's biggest frauds by deciding to keep this hidden from Adventism. Her arguments that Roman Catholicism instituted Sunday Worship and Easter Celebration is nothing more than an elaborate fairy tale. There is NO history that supports her on that. NONE.

Seventh Day Adventism's OWN Sabbath Scholar Samuele Bacchiochi also has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Ellen White willfully lied that the Pope had anything to do with the institution of Sunday worship. Ellen White was a pathological liar: The Pope wasn't even in existence at the time Sunday worship was unanimous no later than 135 AD, according to Bacchiochi.

 

[SAAN]

Are gentiles in the new cov or not?

Anyone that has accepted Christ as their savior will be part of the New Covenant.