And the Dems Wonder Why People Think They are Racist

[KarateCowboy]

Education experts blast DOJ's apparent call for race-based system of punishment of schoolkids | Fox News

http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/10/e...-schools-to-implement-race-based-punishments/

Education experts blasted a recent Department of Justice directive, which they say seems to advocate a racial quota system for punishing school kids for such transgressions as being late or chewing gum in class.

The memo, jointly released by the departments of Justice and Education on Wednesday, urges public schools to ditch so-called "zero tolerance" policies the feds claim disproportionately affect minority students. The letter, which was sent to all public schools, said even well-intentioned policies are discriminatory if they end up being applied in greater proportion to minority children...

Race-based punishment. I've said it many times, and I'm sure I'll say it many more: They're not anti-racism, just anti-white.

 

[iluvatar5150]

So, what you're saying is that it's racist to do away with zero-tolerance policies that disproportionately impact minority students.

Really?

Also, I think we should all make note of this thread for the next time that a conservative wants to rail on how bad public schools are for their zero-tolerance policies.

 

[AirPo]

Thanks! I just had a blast looking for just the right image.

 

[JoyJuice]

Epic Fail..

...who are these "experts" Fox notes?

For one; Andrew Coulson, Director of the Cato Institute’s Center for Educational Freedom.

His background: Andrew Edward Coulson is an English journalist and political strategist.

 

[KarateCowboy]

So, what you're saying is that it's racist to do away with zero-tolerance policies that disproportionately impact minority students.

Really?

Yes, it is racist to do away with rules simply because minorities disproportionately violate them.

Really.

And yes, it's racist to take race into the equation.

Really.

But then, racial profiling is officially sanctioned as part of the Democratic party's platform when they advocate 'affirmative action', which is a dog whistle for leukophobia.

Also, I think we should all make note of this thread for the next time that a conservative wants to rail on how bad public schools are for their zero-tolerance policies.

OK. That's fine, though I have nothing against conservatives...

Epic Fail..

...who are these "experts" Fox notes?

Doesn't really matter, because you don't need to be an expert to see how racist they are.

 

[JoyJuice]

Doesn't really matter, because you don't need to be an expert to see how racist they are.

So in other words the FOX claims are deceptive in "expert" responses.

Yes, God knows it is the Democratic Leadership who themselves state, and have been warned by others, the need of minority outreach are the ones who are perceived as being rejected by minorities given a racist perception.

Just like those within the GOP have warned you, I am trying to help you guys out.

If a bigger tent is desired by this very group, then elements within that group need to squash racist actions and speech.

 

[Maynard Keenan]

No, but this is another example of why Republicans get called racist.

 

[KarateCowboy]

So in other words the FOX claims are deceptive in "expert" responses.

Yes, God knows it is the Democratic Leadership who themselves state, and have been warned by others, the need of minority outreach are the ones who are perceived as being rejected by minorities given a racist perception.

Just like those within the GOP have warned you, I am trying to help you guys out.

If a bigger tent is desired by this very group, then elements within that group need to squash racist actions and speech.

OK well, I'm not a member of the GOP, but it's generally not a good idea to be racist in order to attract allies.

No, but this is another example of why Republicans get called racist.

Republicans are called racist because of Democratic racism?

 

[JoyJuice]

OK well, I'm not a member of the GOP, but it's generally not a good idea to be racist in order to attract allies.

That's good and I agree, but it appears the GOP thinks different. As I noted before we have Texas nominee Greg Abbott putting Ted Nugent front and center in his campaign even though Nugent has said what minorities see as some rather racist things.

Abbott is counting on the minority vote, so he rallies the rednecks...those allies you note.

One can only conclude the claims of needing a minority outreach is just a bunch of hooey, which is how those minorities yet to be reached to see it.

 

[KarateCowboy]

That's good and I agree, but it appears the GOP thinks different. As I noted before we have Texas nominee Greg Abbott putting Ted Nugent front and center in his campaign even though Nugent has said what minorities see as some rather racist things.

That's interesting. Given that President Obama, Eric Holder, and the Democratic party at large are far more racist than Nugent, why would you say people support that?

 

[JoyJuice]

That's interesting. Given that President Obama, Eric Holder, and the Democratic party at large are far more racist than Nugent, why would you say people support that?

Just saying something is not making your case.

I am not going to argue with you about the perception of the GOP or conservatives or the Tea Party; it is what it is.

That perception I speak of is absouletly true, you making false equivalency statements that I think even you don't believe is not going make them go away.

 

[KarateCowboy]

Just saying something is not making your case.

I am not going to argue with you about the perception of the GOP or conservatives or the Tea Party; it is what it is.

That perception I speak of is absouletly true, you making false equivalency statements that I think even you don't believe is not going make them go away.

It should be common sense that it is racist to use the highest office in the land to encourage schools throughout the nation to be racist. Additionally, Holder and Obama represent the mainstream of the Democratic party. After all, Obama is their two time presidential candidate.

 

[JoyJuice]

It should be common sense that it is racist to use the highest office in the land to encourage schools throughout the nation to be racist. Additionally, Holder and Obama represent the mainstream of the Democratic party. After all, Obama is their two time presidential candidate.

They are asking, not mandating, to get rid of zero tolerance policies, you know, kind of like going back to how it used to be where punishment was decided case by case in consideration of that thing called "common sense."

How is that racist?

 

[Maynard Keenan]

Republicans are called racist because of Democratic racism?

Republicans are called racist because of near-constant efforts to stir up white anger and resentment through dishonest tactics.

 

[KarateCowboy]

They are asking, not mandating, to get rid of zero tolerance policies, you know, kind of like going back to how it used to be where punishment was decided case by case in consideration of that thing called "common sense."

How is that racist?

Their rationale for it is racist. Notice that they do not speak out against zero-tolerance policies intrinsically ---only when minorities disproportionately break the rules. Also, they are not just going after zero-tolerance policies, but any fair policy:

Examples of policies that can raise disparate impact concerns include policies that impose mandatory suspension, expulsion, or citation (e.g., ticketing or other fines or summonses) upon any student who commits a specified offense — such as being tardy to class, being in possession of a cellular phone, being found insubordinate, acting out, or not wearing the proper school uniform.

 

[KarateCowboy]

Republicans are called racist because of near-constant efforts to stir up white anger and resentment through dishonest tactics.

Well, none of that here. So, please post relevant contributions so as not to derail the thread.

 

[Maynard Keenan]

OP was a dishonest distortion of the truth intended to stir up resentment toward minorities. Please refrain from making false accusations of rule-breaking in a pathetically transparent attempt to dodge criticism.

 

[KarateCowboy]

OP was a dishonest distortion of the truth

No, it was not.

intended to stir up resentment toward minorities.

No, it was not. Is this what the uber liberals refer to as 'being non-judgmental'?

Please refrain from making false accusations of rule-breaking in a pathetically transparent attempt to dodge criticism.

Not sure what you're referring to here.

You seem to have things mixed up here, as you conflate my OP with some sort of GOP related things...I'm just trying to do the right thing and point out racism that threatens the American people, as exhibited by our officially racist political party in question.

 

[EdwinWillers]

Republicans are called racist because of near-constant efforts to stir up white anger and resentment through dishonest tactics.

/projectionfail

Republicans are called racist because the DNC doesn't know the difference between racism and projection. They concocted the strategy to appeal to the inherent bias of their base, knowing it would inflame them to solidify behind Democrat candidates, and that it would put Republicans on the defensive - for a time.

But as with all things done to excess (something the DNC does with excess), it loses its effect in dishonest, ad-nauseum overuse.

 

[JoyJuice]

Their rationale for it is racist. Notice that they do not speak out against zero-tolerance policies intrinsically ---only when minorities disproportionately break the rules. Also, they are not just going after zero-tolerance policies, but any fair policy:

Examples of policies that can raise disparate impact concerns include policies that impose mandatory suspension, expulsion, or citation (e.g., ticketing or other fines or summonses) upon any student who commits a specified offense — such as being tardy to class, being in possession of a cellular phone, being found insubordinate, acting out, or not wearing the proper school uniform.

Read it again:

""Indeed, DOJ investigations, which consider quantitative data as part of a wide array of evidence, have revealed racial discrimination in the administration of student discipline. For example, in our investigations we have found cases where African-American students were disciplined more harshly and more frequently because of their race than similarly situated white students. In short, racial discrimination in school discipline is a real problem."
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...and this:

"A middle school has a “zero tolerance” ess policy. Students who are more than five minutes tardy to class are always referred to the l’s office at a particular school, where they are required to remain for the rest of the class period regardless of their reason for being tardy. The school also imposes an automatic one-day suspension when a student is recorded as being tardy five times in the same semester. Additional tardiness results in longer suspensions and a meeting with a truancy officer.
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The evidence shows Asian-American students are disproportionately losing instruction time as a result of both office referrals and suspensions for repeated tardiness."
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I know for some just simply pointing to examples seen as racism is racism itself.

btw, I suggest you read the actual source of accounts rather then what someone cherry picks.

It usually helps when making statements.