Why dont SDA's and Sabbath keepers also keep the Feast Days of Leviticus 23 too???

[from scratch]

Is food and music provided?

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How bout some bacon wrapped shrimp? Now that'll be different!

 

[from scratch]

Ah man, if there is a feast, count me in!

*Concerning the Lev 23 portion.

pity party comment is all on "from scratch".

You know what's on the menu. Ifin ya come don't say a word bout da food.

 

[MoreCoffee]

You know what's on the menu. Ifin ya come don't say a word bout da food.

Roasted pork, beef, and vegetables?

Bacon!

I sure hope so.

Those make for great feasts!

 

[BobRyan]

mmksparbud,

This thread is about seventh day keepers and why they don't observe the feast days of Leviticus 23 too.

Your post is an attempt to derail the discussion.

That is something of a "trend" for threads like this - I prefer the topic - where Hebrews 10 is the "solution" and the "one sacrifice for all" puts an end to "offerings and sacrifices" which are the foundation of the ceremonial annual feasts and annual Sabbaths of Lev 23.

But the Hebrews 10 solution not only cuts off the ceremonial law it also cuts off the RCC idea of ongoing sacrifice for in Heb 10 it is "once for all" a completed sacrifice -- "otherwise must he have suffered often" Heb 9.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Im seeing nothing but excuses form the SDA's and Sabbatarins as to why is is okay for them to Keep the Saturday Sabbath

The "Baptist Confession of Faith" the "Westminster Confession of Faith" the "Catholic Catechism", D.L. Moody, and many others - argue in favor of the 4th commandment as being included in the eternal "Moral Law of God" which includes all TEN of the Ten commandments.

And those are not even keeping the Seventh-day and yet they STILL affirm the moral-law standing of the TEN Commandments - ALL TEN, not a downsized-nine - that includes the 4th Commandment.

you seem to be missing that point though it is repeated dozens of times.

How does that keep happening?

As those sources admit - the Sabbath was kept by mankind starting in Eden and is part of the moral law - not based on animal sacrifices as were the annual holly days of Lev 23. Thus when Hebrews 10 ends the sacrifices and offerings "by Christ's ONCE For ALL sacrifice" it is not the moral law that is wiped out - it is the ceremonial law that is fulfilled and also ended.

The ceremonial law is predictive - the moral law is prescriptive.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[VictorC]

Why dont SDA's and Sabbath keepers also keep the Feast Days of Leviticus 23 too???

It's an interesting thread you introduced. There is no excuse for the duplicity of those explaining why they 'keep' the Law concurrent with their disposal of the Law. But hey, this was observed long before we came to even consider the question.
Galatians 6:13
For not even those who are circumcised keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may boast in your flesh.

 

[BobRyan]

Certainly it is true that some people do not like the theology of these groups below who affirm the TEN Commandments of the Bible as included in the MORAL Law of God under the NEW Covenant and binding on all the saints since Eden.

The "Baptist Confession of Faith"
The "Westminster Confession of Faith"
The Catholic Catechism
D.L. Moody
R.C Sproul
Andy Stanley
Thomas Watson
Seventh-day Baptists
Seventh-day Adventists
and many others...


But simply opposing these sources some of whom keep Sunday and some of whom keep the Bible Sabbath as God gave it - does not mean they are wrong in their decision to affirm what the Bible says about the TEN Commandments.

When it comes to this thread - Hebrews 10 says it all - the ceremonial law ended - but the TEN Commandments remain as Paul points out in 1Cor 7:19.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[MoreCoffee]

Certainly it is true that some people do not like the theology of these groups below who affirm the TEN Commandments of the Bible as included in the MORAL Law of God under the NEW Covenant and binding on all the saints since Eden.

• The Baptist Confession of Faith
• The Westminster Confession of Faith
• The Catholic Catechism
• D.L. Moody
• R.C Sproul
• Andy Stanley
• Thomas Watson

Seventh-day Baptists
Seventh-day Adventists

All of the confessional and catechetical sources (excluding the seventh day advocacy groups you mentioned) you mention assiduously avoid teaching that any Christian is obligated to keep the seventh day. Yet you urge Christians to keep the seventh day.

You said "since Eden" and I am not persuaded that is correct for all of the sources you've listed.

 

[BobRyan]

Certainly it is true that some people do not like the theology of these groups below who affirm the TEN Commandments of the Bible as included in the MORAL Law of God under the NEW Covenant and binding on all the saints since Eden.

The "Baptist Confession of Faith"
The "Westminster Confession of Faith"
The Catholic Catechism
D.L. Moody
R.C Sproul
Andy Stanley
Thomas Watson
Seventh-day Baptists
Seventh-day Adventists
and many others...


But simply opposing these sources some of whom keep Sunday and some of whom keep the Bible Sabbath as God gave it - does not mean they are wrong in their decision to affirm what the Bible says about the TEN Commandments.

When it comes to this thread - Hebrews 10 says it all - the ceremonial law ended - but the TEN Commandments remain as Paul points out in 1Cor 7:19.

All of the confessional and catechetical sources (excluding the seventh day advocacy groups you mentioned) you mention assiduously avoid teaching that any Christian is obligated to keep the seventh day.

As already stated in the quote above - the part that you snipped out -- (included here for reference)

But simply opposing these sources some of whom keep Sunday and some of whom keep the Bible Sabbath as God gave it - does not mean they are wrong in their decision to affirm what the Bible says about the TEN Commandments.

You said "since Eden" and I am not persuaded that is correct for all of the sources you've listed.

Well then would you like some quotes from those sources that show that indeed it is "Adam" and it is "In Eden" and it is "from Creation" that the seventh-day Sabbath was kept by mankind?

Would you find that helpful?

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Here is one of the Sunday sources affirming the Sabbath commandment "in Eden" -

Here is an example of one of the "bend the commandment" but do not get rid of it - arguments.

=============================== D.L. Moody sermon on the TEN Commandments

Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was[/FONT][FONT=&quot]- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes; if you give up the church the home goes; and if the home goes the nation goes. That is the direction in which we are traveling.

The church of God is losing its power on account of so many people giving up the Sabbath, and using it to promote selfishness. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]
HOW TO OBSERVE THE SABBATH[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]"Sabbath" means "rest," and the meaning of the word gives a hint as to the true way to observe the day. God rested after creation, and ordained the Sabbath as a rest for man. He blessed it and hallowed it. Remember the rest-day to keep it holy.[/FONT]

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[BobRyan]

Would you rather see this same point from Westminster or Baptist Confession of Faith?

 

[VictorC]

Would you rather see this same point from Westminster or Baptist Confession of Faith?

Bob, is there any post you've written that addresses the question raised in the OP? I've been curious to see a response, and wonder why there isn't any.

 

[BobRyan]

Bob, is there any post you've written that addresses the question raised in the OP? I've been curious to see a response, and wonder why there isn't any.

How about this one?

Here we will see why Hebrews 10 is such a "hot potatoe" for some of our posters. And why it is so obviously the solution as to "why" we do not continue to keep ceremonial laws that are based in sacrifice and offering.

Heb 10
[FONT=&quot]3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins year by year.
4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
5 Therefore, when He comes into the world, He says, "" SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU HAVE NOT DESIRED, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME;
6 IN WHOLE BURNT OFFERINGS AND sacrifices FOR SIN YOU HAVE TAKEN NO PLEASURE.
7 "" THEN I SAID, "BEHOLD, I HAVE COME (IN THE SCROLL OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME) TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD.'''
8 After saying above, "" SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND WHOLE BURNT OFFERINGS AND sacrifices FOR SIN YOU HAVE NOT DESIRED, NOR HAVE YOU TAKEN PLEASURE in them'' (which are offered according to the Law),
9 then He said, "" BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL.'' He takes away the first in order to establish the second.
10 By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins;
12 but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD,
13 waiting from that time onward UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]By the will of God we have been sanctified (set apart) through the offering of the body of Christ.


[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]KJV[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Vs 9[/FONT]
9Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.



So then - Not many many times in a “continued” sacrifice



[FONT=&quot]Hebrews 8[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
1 Now the main point in what has been said is this: we have such a high priest, who has taken His seat at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,
2 a minister in the sanctuary and in the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, not man.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Zech 6[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 12"Then say to him, 'Thus says the LORD of hosts, "Behold, a man whose name is Branch, for He will branch out from where He is; and He will build the temple of the LORD. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 13"Yes, it is He who will build the temple of the LORD, and He who will bear the honor and sit and rule on His throne Thus, He will be a priest on His throne, and the counsel of peace will be between the two offices."[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Heb 10[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
14 For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.
15 And the Holy Spirit also testifies to us; for after saying,
16 "" THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS UPON THEIR HEART, AND ON THEIR MIND I WILL WRITE THEM,'' He then says,
17 "" AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE.''
18 Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin.[/FONT]


in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

So then with the annual feasts and annual Sabbaths of Lev 23 ended due to the Sacrifices and offerings ended - well that just leaves the TEN Commandments standing free and clear.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[VictorC]

How about this one?

The quoted post only explains why you don't keep the sabbath on the weekly cycle holy in accordance to the Law. It doesn't appear to address the OP's question regarding those on the annual cycle.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

So then with the annual feasts and annual Sabbaths of Lev 23 ended due to the Sacrifices and offerings ended - well that just leaves the TEN Commandments standing free and clear.

in Christ,

Bob

The apostate Jews of today still keep the feasts, including passover, and sabbaths, along with the 10 Commandments.
The controversy appears to be over the 4th Commandment, at least as far as the sabbatarian SDAs and MJs are concerned.


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[SAAN]

So then with the annual feasts and annual Sabbaths of Lev 23 ended due to the Sacrifices and offerings ended - well that just leaves the TEN Commandments standing free and clear.

in Christ,

Bob

Umm, people celebrate Easter and Christmas without sacrifices. I know many that keep these feast days and do so perfectly fine without the sacrifices part.

That is a poor excuse you are using. You merely pointed out we dont need the sacrificial system for our sins anymore. Jesus said to keep the Passover, so that is proof atleast one of them is valid, but has been substituted.

 

[BobRyan]

Umm, people celebrate Easter and Christmas without sacrifices.

Indeed they do.

Many pagan feasts to the gods of hinduism as well.

Those traditions of men - stand on their own - but do not have Bible authorization.

However the Lev 23 list of annual feastivals and Sabbaths does have clear authorization by God - so God alone can declare them ended.

This He does when he negates the sacrifices and offerings that comprise them.

God never gave any authorization for the way to celebrate the feasts without the sacrifices.

People may wish "to make that up" which is fine - but then the authority for it "is man" not God.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

The apostate Jews of today still keep the feasts,

Indeed - they are very good at making up man made traditions ad hoc some of which violate the Word of God.

Christ mentioned it in Mark 7:6-13.

The fact that they "can make stuff up" does not make it authorized by God.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

The quoted post only explains why you don't keep the sabbath on the weekly cycle holy in accordance to the Law.

It is the annual sacrifices and offerings - feast days of Lev 23 that end with the sacrifices and offerings that instituted them.

Unlike the Ten Commandments - unlike the Gen 2:3 seventh-day Sabbath made for "mankind" Mark 2:27 and not "instituted in sacrifices" when given in Gen 2:3.

Not sure there exists a way to miss this point.

in Christ,

Bob