Why dont SDA's and Sabbath keepers also keep the Feast Days of Leviticus 23 too???

[BobRyan]

God said "THEREFORE the Lord BLESSED and made it holy" in both Gen 2:3 AND in Ex 20:11 speaking of Genesis 3.

Even the Baptist Confession of Faith notices this -- and declares that from EDEN to the cross the SAME Day of the week is kept as the 4th commandment by God's people starting with Adam.

Moody argues that The Sabbath was kept in Eden as well.

Where does Moody do this?

In the quotes I keep posting from Moody.

Fundamental Baptist Institute
http://www.fbinstitute.com/

presents

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY​

The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17 ​

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The Fourth Commandment



Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. [/FONT]
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was[FONT=&quot]- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes; if you give up the church the home goes; and if the home goes the nation goes. That is the direction in which we are traveling.

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Ok now - one more time with "feeling"


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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?[/FONT]
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[BobRyan]

Where did you say the 4th commandment was even quoted in the New Testament?

Where is the 3rd commandment quoted in the NT?

If it isn't you need to what?? Consider taking God's name in vain? Surely that logic does not fly with you or me or anyone. So why use it?

But as it turns out the Sabbath commandment language is used multiple places in the NT - including Rev 14:7.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Unbelief in the Apostle Paul, .

Well not when you actually read the Apostle Paul as in the examples below -


Paul affirms the Ten Commandments (see point 5 below) AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.

Proof of that is here -

[FONT=&quot]1. Paul never commands gentiles to "Love God WITH ALL your heart".
2. Paul never commands gentiles "not to take God's name in vain"
3. Paul never commands gentiles to ignore the writings of Moses.
4. Paul DOES tell gentiles that Moses' writings are still authoritative scripture in 1Cor 9:8-9 and 1Tim 5:18 and binding as being "Law" and as being "scripture".
5. Paul quotes from Moses and the TEN Commandments Eph 6:2. Full 5th commandment
6. Paul DOES teach that there remains therefore a "Sabbath rest for the people of God" Hebrews 4.
7. Paul DOES tell gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
8. Paul does tell gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justifIED... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16
9. Paul DOES ask that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
10. Paul DOES tell gentiles that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the LAw of God neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:6-8
11. Paul DOES tell gentiles that "The Law" is in fact "The LAW of Moses" and is to be used for testing doctrine 1Cor 9:8-9
12. Paul DOES tell gentiles that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2Tim 3:16[/FONT]

 

[Sophrosyne]

Well not when you actually read the Apostle Paul as in the examples below -
<deleted same copy/paste reply used over and over here>

Those examples aren't what you say they are, I've read Paul's writings IN CONTEXT and he isn't pro law at all.... he had a chance to put Gentiles under the Law at the council of Jerusalem and did the OPPOSITE.
No law for Gentiles - Paul

 

[Sophrosyne]

Circumcision is the name of the game and Paul was in opposition to the group demanding it of gentile believers.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Why don't SDA's and Sabbath keepers also keep the Feast Days of Leviticus 23 too?

The fundamental reason is that their founding prophet did not demand it of them.

Because we read Hebrews 10.

Cool, do you read Hebrews chapters three and four too?

 

[BobRyan]

Paul affirms the Ten Commandments (see point 5 below) AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.

Proof of that is here -

[FONT=&quot]1. Paul never commands gentiles to "Love God WITH ALL your heart".
2. Paul never commands gentiles "not to take God's name in vain"
3. Paul never commands gentiles to ignore the writings of Moses.
4. Paul DOES tell gentiles that Moses' writings are still authoritative scripture in 1Cor 9:8-9 and 1Tim 5:18 and binding as being "Law" and as being "scripture".
5. Paul quotes from Moses and the TEN Commandments Eph 6:2. Full 5th commandment
6. Paul DOES teach that there remains therefore a "Sabbath rest for the people of God" Hebrews 4.
7. Paul DOES tell gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
8. Paul does tell gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justifIED... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16
9. Paul DOES ask that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
10. Paul DOES tell gentiles that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the LAw of God neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:6-8
11. Paul DOES tell gentiles that "The Law" is in fact "The LAW of Moses" and is to be used for testing doctrine 1Cor 9:8-9
12. Paul DOES tell gentiles that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2Tim 3:16[/FONT]

Those examples aren't what you say they are,

Until you actually read each one. Pick one - any one.

I've read Paul's writings IN CONTEXT and he isn't pro law at all.

"Do we than make VOID the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the Law" Rom 3:31

"It is not the HEARERS of the LAW that will be just before God - but the DOERS of the LAW will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16.

"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19.

Who then does Paul point to as being at war with the Law of God?


Rom 8
6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,
7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.


The point remains.


in Christ,

Bob

 

[Cribstyl]

Where is the 3rd commandment quoted in the NT?

If it isn't you need to what?? Consider taking God's name in vain? Surely that logic does not fly with you or me or anyone. So why use it?

But as it turns out the Sabbath commandment language is used multiple places in the NT - including Rev 14:7.

in Christ,

Bob

The sabbath commandment is a ceremonial commandment, it was the sign of the old covenant.
Rev 14 says nothing about a sabbath.
Worship by sabbathkeeping is implied by SDA commentary.

 

[BobRyan]

Rev 14:7 quotes Exodus 20:11 and provides more quote of the 4th commandment in the NT than is found anywhere at all in the NT for the 3rd commandment.

The Sabbath "was made for MANKIND" according to Christ - in Eden., Mark 2:27

And will be kept for all eternity "by all mankind" according to God - as He states in Is 66:23.

Not true of any ceremonial law - no wonder then that Historic Sunday keeping sources admit this obvious point as well.

The "Baptist Confession of Faith"
The "Westminster Confession of Faith"
The Catholic Catechism
D.L. Moody
R.C Sproul
Andy Stanley
Thomas Watson

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted by MoreCoffee

Why don't SDA's and Sabbath keepers also keep the Feast Days of Leviticus 23 too?

The fundamental reason is that their founding prophet did not demand it of them.
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Originally Posted by BobRyan

Because we read Hebrews 10 where we are told that all the sacrifices and offerings so necessary to the ceremonial law - have ended.

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Cool, do you read Hebrews chapters three and four too?

We read chapters 1-13 but in this case Heb 10 answered your question.

Nothing like staying focused on the point. (So why so quick to change the focus from Heb 10? Like you touched a hot stove? You had to have known this was the easy answer from scripture. Maybe we need to focus more on Heb 10 and see.)

Here we will see why Hebrews 10 is such a "hot potatoe" for some of our posters. And why it is so obviously the solution as to "why" we do not continue to keep ceremonial laws that are based in sacrifice and offering.

Heb 10
[FONT=&quot]3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins year by year.
4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
5 Therefore, when He comes into the world, He says, "" SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU HAVE NOT DESIRED, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME;
6 IN WHOLE BURNT OFFERINGS AND sacrifices FOR SIN YOU HAVE TAKEN NO PLEASURE.
7 "" THEN I SAID, "BEHOLD, I HAVE COME (IN THE SCROLL OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME) TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD.'''
8 After saying above, "" SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND WHOLE BURNT OFFERINGS AND sacrifices FOR SIN YOU HAVE NOT DESIRED, NOR HAVE YOU TAKEN PLEASURE in them'' (which are offered according to the Law),
9 then He said, "" BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL.'' He takes away the first in order to establish the second.
10 By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins;
12 but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD,
13 waiting from that time onward UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]By the will of God we have been sanctified (set apart) through the offering of the body of Christ.


[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]KJV[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Vs 9[/FONT]
9Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.



So then - Not many many times in a &#8220;continued&#8221; sacrifice



[FONT=&quot]Hebrews 8[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
1 Now the main point in what has been said is this: we have such a high priest, who has taken His seat at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,
2 a minister in the sanctuary and in the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, not man.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Zech 6[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 12"Then say to him, 'Thus says the LORD of hosts, "Behold, a man whose name is Branch, for He will branch out from where He is; and He will build the temple of the LORD. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 13"Yes, it is He who will build the temple of the LORD, and He who will bear the honor and sit and rule on His throne Thus, He will be a priest on His throne, and the counsel of peace will be between the two offices."[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Heb 10[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
14 For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.
15 And the Holy Spirit also testifies to us; for after saying,
16 "" THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS UPON THEIR HEART, AND ON THEIR MIND I WILL WRITE THEM,'' He then says,
17 "" AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE.''
18 Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin.[/FONT]


in Christ,

Bob

 

[SG9]

There has been alot of threads lately about Christians not keeping the Sabbath, so my questions to the SDA's and other Sabbath keepers that thinks Sunday is so wrong and that they are following the commands of God, do you keep the Sabbaths listed in Lev 23 along with the weekly Sabbath too?

If not, why, as they are commands of God too.
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Leviticus 23

Feasts of the Lord

23 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘The feasts of the Lord, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.
The Sabbath

3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

The Passover and Unleavened Bread

4 ‘These are the feasts of the Lord, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at their appointed times. 5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the Lord’s Passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it. 8 But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord for seven days. The seventh day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it.’”

The Feast of Firstfruits

9 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 10 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘When you come into the land which I give to you, and reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest. 11 He shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted on your behalf; on the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it. 12 And you shall offer on that day, when you wave the sheaf, a male lamb of the first year, without blemish, as a burnt offering to the Lord. 13 Its grain offering shall be two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil, an offering made by fire to the Lord, for a sweet aroma; and its drink offering shall be of wine, one-fourth of a hin. 14 You shall eat neither bread nor parched grain nor fresh grain until the same day that you have brought an offering to your God; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

The Feast of Weeks

15 ‘And you shall count for yourselves from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering: seven Sabbaths shall be completed. 16 Count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath; then you shall offer a new grain offering to the Lord. 17 You shall bring from your dwellings two wave loaves of two-tenths of an ephah. They shall be of fine flour; they shall be baked with leaven. They are the firstfruits to the Lord. 18 And you shall offer with the bread seven lambs of the first year, without blemish, one young bull, and two rams. They shall be as a burnt offering to the Lord, with their grain offering and their drink offerings, an offering made by fire for a sweet aroma to the Lord. 19 Then you shall sacrifice one kid of the goats as a sin offering, and two male lambs of the first year as a sacrifice of a peace offering. 20 The priest shall wave them with the bread of the firstfruits as a wave offering before the Lord, with the two lambs. They shall be holy to the Lord for the priest. 21 And you shall proclaim on the same day that it is a holy convocation to you. You shall do no customary work on it. It shall be a statute forever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.
22 ‘When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not wholly reap the corners of your field when you reap, nor shall you gather any gleaning from your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the stranger: I am the Lord your God.’”

The Feast of Trumpets

23 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 24 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘In the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you shall have a sabbath-rest, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation. 25 You shall do no customary work on it; and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord.’”

The Day of Atonement

26 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying: 27 “Also the tenth day of this seventh month shall be the Day of Atonement. It shall be a holy convocation for you; you shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire to the Lord. 28 And you shall do no work on that same day, for it is the Day of Atonement, to make atonement for you before the Lord your God. 29 For any person who is not afflicted in soul on that same day shall be cut off from his people. 30 And any person who does any work on that same day, that person I will destroy from among his people. 31 You shall do no manner of work; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings. 32 It shall be to you a sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict your souls; on the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you shall celebrate your sabbath.”

The Feast of Tabernacles

33 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 34 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the Feast of Tabernacles for seven days to the Lord. 35 On the first day there shall be a holy convocation. You shall do no customary work on it. 36 For seven days you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord. On the eighth day you shall have a holy convocation, and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord. It is a sacred assembly, and you shall do no customary work on it.
37 ‘These are the feasts of the Lord which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire to the Lord, a burnt offering and a grain offering, a sacrifice and drink offerings, everything on its day— 38 besides the Sabbaths of the Lord, besides your gifts, besides all your vows, and besides all your freewill offerings which you give to the Lord.
39 ‘Also on the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the fruit of the land, you shall keep the feast of the Lord for seven days; on the first day there shall be a sabbath-rest, and on the eighth day a sabbath-rest. 40 And you shall take for yourselves on the first day the fruit of beautiful trees, branches of palm trees, the boughs of leafy trees, and willows of the brook; and you shall rejoice before the Lord your God for seven days. 41 You shall keep it as a feast to the Lord for seven days in the year. It shall be a statute forever in your generations. You shall celebrate it in the seventh month. 42 You shall dwell in booths for seven days. All who are native Israelites shall dwell in booths, 43 that your generations may know that I made the children of Israel dwell in booths when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.’”
44 So Moses declared to the children of Israel the feasts of the Lord.

The world is fallen, and held in captivity to the beast, and this is why there are any form of Sabbath keeping being either Saturday, Sunday, or any day, or any feast. The Israelites could NOT keep their Sabbath while in captivity to Pharaoh, and that same restriction applies to the world, today while we are in captivity to the beast. And this is the problem when people don't see the captivity as captivity but they see it as their way of life, and they are content.

All days of current worship are frauds and only to hide this fact that we are in captivity, instead those who are worshiping on any day or keeping any feast do so with ignorance, and they do it to hide their fallen nature, and their identity as a synagogue of Satan.

Those who have taken others into captivity will also go into captivity. This occurs when the believers who are written in the Book of Life are raised up from the grave while they live in captivity of flesh, and in this fallen world. They will resurrect and rise above this captivity only to free others.

They collect your tithes of $$$ to remain in power so to further deceive the nations under Satan's authority. Satan is not yet willing to surrender to Yahweh, and it will be a battle in the mind's of the nations.

Nothing personal. Thanks

 

[SAAN]

The question of Leviticus has been answered--if you do not want to understand that's ok--but if you're going to ask a question, at the very least you should have the manners to read our answers--or don't bother asking as that is hypocritical--or does that not fit you idea of hypocrite??

You didnt answer anything about Lev 23, what you did give is the usual SDA nonsene answers as to why you can observe the Sabbath, but ignore the rest of the Sabbaths God commanded. The law is a unit as a whole and cant be separated.

Its funny how SDA's refrain from pork and shrimp because Lev 11 says so, follows the sexual laws of conduct because Lev 18, says so, but ignores the Sabbaths in Lev 23 and turns are around and say Christians are sinners for going to church on Sundays, while you also break commands of God yourself. Who is really the hypocrite here?

Christians dont tell SDA's they worship Saturn God, will not go to heaven for breaking a command the like SDA's tell Christians they worship sungods, rome, and are guilty of hellfire for Sunday worship.

 

[MoreCoffee]

We read chapters 1-13 but in this case Heb 10 answered your question.

Nothing like staying focused on the point.

in Christ,

Bob

If you are willing may I ask what statement or statements in Hebrews 10 prove the need to keep the seventh day as a Sabbath and exempt seventh day keepers from also keeping the festivals of the Israelites.

 

[from scratch]

Where is the 3rd commandment quoted in the NT?

If it isn't you need to what?? Consider taking God's name in vain? Surely that logic does not fly with you or me or anyone. So why use it?

But as it turns out the Sabbath commandment language is used multiple places in the NT - including Rev 14:7.

in Christ,

Bob

Sorry, its 1 thing that has been said here so long without being challenged believed them. And I really didn't remember it being or not being quoted in the New Testament. That commandment not being the issue I never bothered to check. Since you said its not there I'm not going to bother checking making that 2 of the 10 not required in the New Testament. Really your case is diminishing with every post.

Sorry again but I can't find the Sabbath or any day for that matter being referred to in Rev 14:7.

You can't come to my gun range if I had one. I wouldn't risk the safety of my friends.

 

[SAAN]

"Shadows of good things to come" -- ceremonial law.



Pagan systems that the pagans in Galatia were returning to after having been converted to Christianity.



Annual list of holy days in Lev 23.




An argument that fails when compared to the "Baptist Confession of Faith" - and the "Westminster Confession of Faith" -- both of which admit that the law is divided into "moral law" and "ceremonial law".

They provide no room for 'if you can't break the moral law regarding God's memorial of creation then you have to keep the ceremonial laws'.

I don't understand where you are getting that idea.




There again I find your logic illusive - because in Heb 10 we are told - that the sacrifices and offerings ended - which still leaves us with the Gen 2:1-3 Moral law of the actual 4th commandment.

in Christ,

Bob

Lev 23 is a unit, if God expects you to the observe the Sabbath, the 7 holy days are included too.

Christ already came, so Col 2:16 is telling them not to let anyone judge them for actaully keeping the Sabbath and the Feast days since they lived in a pagan nation that didnt, which are clear indicators the followers in Colossians were still keeping them and they were not abolished.

Romans 14 is about vegetarianism and not eating meat and choosing what day to fast, if you read the entire chapter it makes sense. IF you just pick verse 5 you can make it mean anything you want it to mean.

Gal is telling them not to go back to the weak laws they used to follow when they were pagans, not calling the law of God weak.

Hebrews 10 is saying we dont need animal sacrifices anymore, but you can keep Passover without sacrificing an animal. Did the Messiah not tell us to keep the Passover?



You can make every excuse you want about why you dont keep the Feast Days, but you are just as guilty for breaking commands of God as Christians are for not keeping the Sabbath then.

 

[SAAN]

The Torah was 613 Commands, not just 10. If you only keep the 10 commandments, then sexual immorality is okay because those commands were not listed until Lev 18.

SDA's and Sabbarians follow the dietary laws of Lev 11, but makes excuses for Lev 23 which is in the same book, yet Christians are in sin for breaking the Sabbth from Exodus 20 and first part Lev 23, but SDA's are exempt themselves from the rest of Lev 23....Really!!!

 

[from scratch]

God said "THEREFORE the Lord BLESSED and made it holy" in both Gen 2:3 AND in Ex 20:11 speaking of Genesis 3.

I've no idea how you miss the word therefore which you've bolded for us. Maybe you don't understand that points to a reason opposed to saying they're the same. If they're the same the text would use some word indicating that such as is. The Sabbath is a periodic rest where as the rest in Genesis 2 is a permanent rest. The word rested is cease and the same word Hosea said about the Sabbath in 2:11. That points further to the law and the 7th day Sabbath losing their jurisdiction.

If you want to say Hosea means for a period of time you must show the text support that and or show where the Sabbath is restored.

Even the Baptist Confession of Faith notices this -- and declares that from EDEN to the cross the SAME Day of the week is kept as the 4th commandment by God's people starting with Adam.

Moody argues that The Sabbath was kept in Eden as well.

In the quotes I keep posting from Moody.

Fundamental Baptist Institute
http://www.fbinstitute.com/

presents

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY​

The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17 ​

.
The Fourth Commandment



Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. [/FONT]
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was[FONT=&quot]- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes; if you give up the church the home goes; and if the home goes the nation goes. That is the direction in which we are traveling.

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Ok now - one more time with "feeling"


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Yes you've lifted the quotes to support while I've quoted the formal debate you had with bugkiller showing both don't support your idea with unchallenged quotes by you or any SDA from both sources. Why? One of which uses the phrase Christian Sabbath which phrase doesn't refer to the 7th day Sabbath in any way. Some take that to mean the regulations of the 7th day Sabbath are applied to Sunday. Nothing could be further from the truth if Christians are observed on Sunday witnessing the fact the regulations in fact haven't been moved.

So I guess you can continue spamming this site with your out of context quotes which prove nothing.

 

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God said "THEREFORE the Lord BLESSED and made it holy" in both Gen 2:3 AND in Ex 20:11 speaking of Genesis 3.

Even the Baptist Confession of Faith notices this -- and declares that from EDEN to the cross the SAME Day of the week is kept as the 4th commandment by God's people starting with Adam.

Moody argues that The Sabbath was kept in Eden as well.



In the quotes I keep posting from Moody.

Fundamental Baptist Institute
The Fourth Commandment



Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

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[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. [/FONT]
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was[FONT=&quot]- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes; if you give up the church the home goes; and if the home goes the nation goes. That is the direction in which we are traveling.
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The word remember does no such thing here. For instance we could have a conversation in which one of us said something having no reference to the past and then being told to remember that.

 

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The word remember does no such thing here. For instance we could have a conversation in which one of us said something having no reference to the past and then being told to remember that.

It's really as simple as noting how two magnets behave towards one another, and telling us to "remember" this and all shall go well with you and the opposite gender, and this reaches all the way back to the beginning that you and all of the world deny. The Sabbath is greatly misunderstood, and as I've stated in another thread, all who keep any day of worship while held in our current captivity are doing so as counterfeiting something sacred as if they have that freedom to do so while in captivity.

Captivity is an end-time issue as it's written all that hold others in captivity will likewise be taken into captivity, meaning we are all held captive while the beast reigns in this world as the prince of thieves, and he is not willing to surrender.

The world must first be educated and then, they will be freed from this captivity when they ALL revolt against this captor that is currently in this world. The Israelites could not keep their Sabbath neither while held captive, and yet the world since has formed all sorts of churches who claim to have that freedom and peace before it comes, again. This current mindset prevents any Second coming because of their denial of the Truth that Christ will come to change this and free them, and it's because they have fallen in love with the spiritual Egypt that flows with milk and honey that is actually poison to their spirit.

Arguing over any day of worship is ridiculous, and it demonstrates their ignorance and lack of knowledge, which will bring about their demise.

Thanks

 

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Well not when you actually read the Apostle Paul as in the examples below -


Paul affirms the Ten Commandments (see point 5 below) AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.

Paul no where affirms the any of the law including the Ten Commandments. Paul does acknowledge them and teaches from them. This is different from showing obligation to or requirement of that your word affirms implies. Pretty slick approach though.