The Last Day

[bibletruth469]

The "last day" was the last day of the Old Covenant.

The last day in the book of John is about resurrection , not about the old covenant ending. The big question is its timing. Some feel that it will close the church age with the rapture, while others believe that it happens at the end of the age, while others, after the mellinimum kingdom. I believe that the last day resurrection will close the church age for various reasons.

 

[coraline]

The last day in the book of John is about resurrection , not about the old covenant ending. The big question is its timing. Some feel that it will close the church age with the rapture, while others believe that it happens at the end of the age, while others, after the mellinimum kingdom. I believe that the last day resurrection will close the church age for various reasons.

Well, Paul also says that the "church" age will never end. (Eph 3:21)

His kingdom will never pass away once it came. Do you not believe that?

 

[bibletruth469]

Well, Paul also says that the "church" age will never end. (Eph 3:21) His kingdom will never pass away once it came. Do you not believe that?

The church age( age of grace) as some people call it will close at the rapture. The church itself( saints within the church) will rule and reign with Christ got the 1000 years. Rev 20. Then once that period is complete, the saints will be forever with Jesus in the new heaven and the new earth. Rev 21.

 

[random person]

The church age( age of grace) as some people call it will close at the rapture. The church itself( saints within the church) will rule and reign with Christ got the 1000 years. Rev 20. Then once that period is complete, the saints will be forever with Jesus in the new heaven and the new earth. Rev 21.

So the church is raptured away but then the resurrected and IMMORTAL SAINTS are replanted on the earth for a thousand years in a kingdom that can be shaken and destroyed that will be destroyed and remade for an unshakeable "indestructible" eternal new heavens and new earth?

 

[random person]

Furthermore, are the resurrected and immortal saints going to mingle with mortal non resurrected people?

Are we going witness all our mortal friends grow old and die? Or will everyone mortal soul be instantly converted by the appearance of Jesus and his immortal saints?

Will the converted mortals be instantaneously resurrected upon death?

Will there still be implements of war and governments? Nuclear weapons?

 

[Bible2]

yeshuasavedme said in post 137:

The rapture of the Church had already happened before the tribulation . . .

Note that nothing in the Bible teaches or requires a pre-tribulation rapture of the church. Instead, the Bible makes clear that Jesus won't come and gather together (rapture) the church until immediately after the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8). That's why the marriage of the church doesn't happen until Revelation 19:7, in connection with Jesus' 2nd coming and the bodily resurrection of the church at that time (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-53; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16). Matthew 24:30-31 refers to the same 2nd coming of Jesus and gathering together (rapture) of the church as 2 Thessalonians 2:1, which refers to the same 2nd coming of Jesus and catching up together (rapture) of the church as 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17.

Jesus won't return and gather together (rapture) the church until sometime after there's a falling away (an apostasy) in the church, and the Antichrist sits in a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem and proclaims himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4, Daniel 11:31,36, Revelation 11:1-2, Revelation 13:4-8), and the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) is set up in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the 3rd Jewish temple (Matthew 24:15-31, Daniel 11:31). For when Jesus returns to gather together (and marry) the church he will destroy the Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:1,8, Revelation 19:7,20). Before Jesus returns, the church will have to go through the future, literal 3.5 years of the Antichrist's worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-31).

At Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:1, Matthew 24:30) the church will be resurrected and caught up together/gathered together (raptured) (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 2 Thessalonians 2:1, Matthew 24:31) not to remove the church from the earth (Proverbs 10:30, John 17:15,20) but to take the church only as high as the clouds of the sky to hold a meeting in the air with the returned Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:17).

At that meeting Jesus will judge everyone in the church (Psalms 50:3-5, cf. Mark 13:27) by their works (2 Corinthians 5:10, Romans 2:6-8, Luke 12:45-48, Matthew 25:19-30). And then Jesus will marry in the clouds the obedient part of the church (Revelation 19:7-8, Matthew 25:1-12), those in the church (of all times) who "overcame" to the end (Revelation 3:5, Revelation 2:26). They will then mount white horses and come back down from the sky (the first heaven) with Jesus (Revelation 19:14) as he defeats the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") and the world's armies (Revelation 19:15-21). Jesus will then make the marriage supper of Revelation 19:9 for the resurrected and married obedient part of the church in the earthly Jerusalem (Isaiah 25:6-9; 1 Corinthians 15:54). Jesus and the obedient part of the church will then reign on the earth for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29).

 

[Bible2]

bibletruth469 said in post 141:

The last day in the book of John is about resurrection , not about the old covenant ending.

That's right.

bibletruth469 said in post 141:

I believe that the last day resurrection will close the church age for various reasons.

Note that there's no such thing as the church age, for the church will continue in the world throughout all ages (Ephesians 3:21, John 17:15). For just as the church will continue in the world throughout the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Matthew 24:9-13, Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6), and then throughout the subsequent millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29), so the church will then continue forever on the new earth (Revelation 21:1 to 22:5).

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bibletruth469 said in post 143:

The church age( age of grace) as some people call it will close at the rapture.

Regarding the present age (world) ending, note that nothing in verses like Ephesians 1:21b, Ephesians 1:10, Ephesians 3:2, Colossians 1:25, Titus 2:12b, and Hebrews 6:5 says or requires that only the present age is an age of grace or a church age, or that the age to come won't also be an age of grace or a church age.

Also, the present age can include the future tribulation (Revelation chapters 6 to 18) and the subsequent millennium (Revelation 20), with the age to come being the subsequent time of the new earth (Revelation 21). For the end of the present age, when all the unsaved will be cast into the lake of fire (Matthew 13:40, Revelation 20:15), won't occur until sometime after the future millennium (Revelation 20:7-15).

 

[Bible2]

random person said in post 145:

Furthermore, are the resurrected and immortal saints going to mingle with mortal non resurrected people?

Yes.

For Luke 17:27,29 and Matthew 24:39 don't mean that all unsaved people will be killed at Jesus' 2nd coming. For Luke 17:34-36 and Matthew 24:40-41 go on to show that some unsaved people will be left alive at that time (Zechariah 14:16-19). So in Luke 17:26-30 and Matthew 24:37-39, the point of the comparison isn't that all unsaved people will be killed at the 2nd coming, but that none of them will be expecting to be killed, but will be eating and drinking without worry right up to the day of the 2nd coming.

Those "left" where they are at the 2nd coming (Luke 17:34-36, Matthew 24:40-41) will include unsaved people who will be forced to come up annually to worship the returned Jesus in Jerusalem during the millennium (Zechariah 14:16-19). These unsaved people will have to be ruled with a rod of iron by Jesus and the bodily resurrected church during the millennium (Revelation 2:26-29, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 20:4-6, Psalms 2, Psalms 66:3, Psalms 72:8-11). And their descendants will be deceived by Satan after the millennium is over into committing the Gog/Magog rebellion (Revelation 20:7-10, Ezekiel chapters 38-39).

The 2nd coming will be like "the days of Noah" (Matthew 24:37) and "the days of Lot" (Luke 17:28,30) in that just as Noah went into the ark before the temporal (i.e. not the eternal) judgment of the Flood, and Lot went out from Sodom before its temporal (not its eternal) judgment (cf. Ezekiel 16:53-56), so the church will be raptured into the sky at the 2nd coming (Matthew 24:30-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17, Revelation 19:7) before Jesus begins the 2nd-coming, temporal (not the eternal) judgment of the unsaved world alive at that time (Revelation 19:11 to 20:3, Luke 17:26-30, Matthew 24:37-39).

 

[random person]

Yes.

For Luke 17:27,29 and Matthew 24:39 don't mean that all unsaved people will be killed at Jesus' 2nd coming. For Luke 17:34-36 and Matthew 24:40-41 go on to show that some unsaved people will be left alive at that time (Zechariah 14:16-19). So in Luke 17:26-30 and Matthew 24:37-39, the point of the comparison isn't that all unsaved people will be killed at the 2nd coming, but that none of them will be expecting to be killed, but will be eating and drinking without worry right up to the day of the 2nd coming.

Just observe the world you live in today and only then will you comprehend what Christ is saying in these verses. People live life carousing in sin not anticipating judgment as they did during the days of Noah RIGHT before the flood.

One left, one taken is further elaborated upon in Matt. 13:47-50 & Matt. 25:34, 41, 46

 

[iamlamad]

The church age( age of grace) as some people call it will close at the rapture. The church itself( saints within the church) will rule and reign with Christ got the 1000 years. Rev 20. Then once that period is complete, the saints will be forever with Jesus in the new heaven and the new earth. Rev 21.

Now this is true "bibletruth." This is what the bible really teaches: the age of grace:

Ephesians 3:2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you...

The answer given at the 5th seal is a strong hint of this. The dispensation ENDS at or just before the 6th seal, when Paul's rapture actually takes place. The great earthquake at the 6th seal will be caused by the dead in Christ rising. (See Mat. 27 earthquake) This earthquake is Paul's "sudden destruction" that will come upon those in darkness at the very same moment those living in the light of Christ (In Christ) get "salvation" [rapture] and get to "live together with Him" (so shall we ever be with the Lord). Paul hints strongly that the Day of the Lord will follow immediately after this great earthquake. John backs this up by writing, "the day of His wrath has come."

However, John has a parenthesis next, the sealing of the 144,000 and John seeing the raptured church in heaven. These two events MUST happen before the actual "day of the Lord" or "day of His wrath" can start. We could liken this to the curtain closing at a play, while they rearrange the set behind the curtain. This MUST happen so the set will fit the next act. God MUST seal the 144,000 BEFORE the Day of His wrath can begin. They are sealed for their protection during the trumpet judgments.

Once the "set" had been rearranged (the sealing and the raptured church seen in heaven) then the curtain can open, and the new act begin: the 7th seal is broken as the official opening of the Day of the Lord and the 70th week of Daniel. Then the first trumpet judgment is the FIRST SALVO of the "Day of the Lord." It will come as judgment from God. It will be all the grass burned up and 1/3 of the trees. Joel backs this up as part of the Day of the Lord. He tells us the cattle are perplexed because they have no grass. The pastures are burned up. I see the first trumpet judgment as the final fulfillment of Joel's prophecy about the grass. It is quite likely this is speaking to us of a nuclear exchange...not one "nuke," but many. However, God can throw hail and fire to the earth without nukes.

Isaiah 2 is also proof of this: some of what John wrote about men crying for the rocks to cover them is almost word for word from Isa. 2, which is speaking about the SIGNS of the Day of the Lord. So Joel 2, Isaiah 2, and the 6th seal fit together like a hand in a glove.....showing us that John is RIGHT ON in writing "the day of His wrath has come."

So the Day of the Lord will officially begin at the 7th seal, and with the first trumpet judgment. It will continue on through the entire 1000 year reign of Christ. However, the 70th week of Daniel will end with the 7th vial (It is done).

Those under the altar at the 5th seal are told they must wait for the final martyr to be killed as they were - as CHURCH AGE martyrs. The church age martyrs will END with the rapture at the 6th seal, for any martyr after that will be a 70th week martyr or day of the Lord martyr.

There is a DIFFERENCE between a "macro" verse and a "micro" verse. Many old testament prophecies were written in macro style....sort of like looking into the future through a powerful telescope. All one can see is the peaks of the mountains, but nothing of the valleys inbetween. In other words, these macro verses only give is the barest outline of a future event. If we read Revelation, we get a micro version of an event, with all the details. While BOTH are truth, as they are written in God's word, one must not form our doctrine from macro verses ONLY.

When Jesus said He would raise people up on "the last day," that is speaking in MACRO. It seems like He is saying ALL resurrections must come on the same 24 hour day.....yet when we read this event (or these events) in MICRO, as in Revelation, we see that there is 1000 years between the resurrection of the just and the resurrection of the unjust. There is no other place in scripture that gives us such a clear view. Wisdom then would be for people to form their end times doctrine on MICRO verses where they are found, and NOT ON MACRO verses that do not give the entire picture.

What did those around Jesus think about this?

John 11:24 Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”

Martha believed that the resurrection would be "at the last day." Yet, when we study Paul's rapture, we find the resurrection of the dead in Christ will not be the same day as the resurrection of the unjust. The resurrection of Jesus as the firstfruits, the resurrection of those "in Christ" at the rapture, then the resurrection of the 144,000, then the resurrection of the Old Testament saints.....and finally the resurrection of the righteous who were killed during the 70th week (if indeed there is one......scripture is very sketchy on this one)...all these resurrections will (did) happen on different days. Therefore, I conclude that when Jesus said "the last day," he was not referring to ONE 24 HOUR PERIOD, but just applying "the last day" to all the time shown in most of the book of Revelation. Perhaps then, "the last day" could be synonymous with "the Day of the Lord."

LAMAD

 

[random person]

Now this is true "bibletruth." This is what the bible really teaches: the age of grace:

Ephesians 3:2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you...

This is why I read the NASB!

Ephesians 3:2 - Bible Gateway

 

[random person]

This is why I read the NASB!

Ephesians 3:2 - Bible Gateway

Two extremely popular modern translations:

NASB's literal translation

If indeed you have heard of the stewardship of God’s grace which was given to me for you;

NIV's dynamic equivalence translation:

Surely you have heard about the administration of God’s grace that was given to me for you,


See how one translation is being twisted to support the dispensationalist doctrine!

I cling to the NASB!

 

[Old Timer]

Yeah maybe the scriptures are all about the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70.

Yeah that's not too ridiculous.

 

[bibletruth469]

So the church is raptured away but then the resurrected and IMMORTAL SAINTS are replanted on the earth for a thousand years in a kingdom that can be shaken and destroyed that will be destroyed and remade for an unshakeable "indestructible" eternal new heavens and new earth?

The church is raptured and each person is glorified body at that time. They will partake of the marriage supper of the lamb . They will rule and reign with Christ for 1000 years. Many people will be born in the millennium kingdom but they will be born in a mortal body and they will live long ages like before the flood.

 

[bibletruth469]

Furthermore, are the resurrected and immortal saints going to mingle with mortal non resurrected people? Are we going witness all our mortal friends grow old and die? Or will everyone mortal soul be instantly converted by the appearance of Jesus and his immortal saints? Will the converted mortals be instantaneously resurrected upon death? Will there still be implements of war and governments? Nuclear weapons?

Yes, there will be two groups of people in the 1000 year period . Those with glorified bodies and those with mortal bodies. Those with glorified bodies include the church and the tribulation martyrs .Those with the mortal bodies are divided into 2 groups ( Jews and Gentiles).

The way that I understand it, the people that die in the millennium who are right with God, will receive a glorified body at the start of the new heavens and new earth , fit for eternity . Rev 21:4-5," there will be no death, all things are made new".

The resurrections fall in stages. 1) at the rapture 2) tribulation martyrs 3) Old Testament saints . All will receive glorified bodies but at different times.

There will be no more war during the 10oo year period .however, satan will be released at the bed of the 1000 years to try those in the earth. Rev 20:7-10

There is also a resurrection of the wicked.( great white throne judgement )rev 20:11

 

[mark kennedy]

Yeah maybe the scriptures are all about the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70.

Yeah that's not too ridiculous.

There is probably a shred of truth to it, Jesus warns at in the Olivet Discourse to flee Jerusalem when they see in threatened with siege. Dispensationalists often refer to this as overlapping fulfillments, partially fulfilled but the final fulfillment comes well in the future.

Some people just can't handle the predictive element of apocylptic prophecy. As far as I can tell their bias is predicated on naturalistic assumptions, there may be exceptions but I have yet to see one.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[n2thelight]

The church is raptured and each person is glorified body at that time. They will partake of the marriage supper of the lamb . They will rule and reign with Christ for 1000 years. Many people will be born in the millennium kingdom but they will be born in a mortal body and they will live long ages like before the flood.

No one will be born during the millenniun,flesh age will be over,that's why Paul says,all shall be changed.....

Those who reign with Christ will teach those who didn't overcome...

"Revelation 20:3 "And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."
When this time of the great deception is on earth, it will be during the five month period of Revelation 9:5,10, and the Antichrist will then deceive all nations and all peoples of the earth except the elect. When the millennium is over, Satan will be released to try to deceive the people all over again, and many will follow him just as they did in this earth age.

Why would God turn Satan loose a short season? Because this will be a time of testing for those claiming to be Christians who were deceived by him in this earth age. After the thousand year testing and teaching, some will still seek after Satan, and they will be gathered by the angels as tares [see Matthew 13] to be burned with him.


Revelation 20:4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

Judgment is coming for the millions of Christian brothers and sisters who have lost their lives for the witness of Jesus Christ over the past two thousand years. Also receiving rewards are those that have not bowed to the Antichrist in the five month period of deception (coming up shortly), nor did they take his mark through the deception, nor accepted his ways (image) in their minds. If you believe in the rapture theory, you will worship Satan in error. Mark 13 and Matthew 24 makes it clear that the Antichrist will come first. The "rapture theory" teaches that you will be lifted out by the first messiah, and that first (false) messiah is the Antichrist.

Revelation 20:5 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

If you are saved and make a stand against the Antichrist and his deceptions, you will reign with Christ 1,000 years.

Those who did take the "mark of the beast", their souls will not, I repeat, will not have an eternal spiritual body until they are tested after the millennium. I Corinthians 15:50-52 describes the mystery of the two bodies. The physical and spiritual bodies are two separate entities. There are also two spiritual bodies, one eternal, the other perishable (mortal). Those who take the mark of the beast will not have their eternal bodies at the seventh trump. Instead they will have mortal spiritual bodies (liable-to-die), and have to be taught again to learn the difference between 'the holy from the profane' for 1,000 years and then be tested at the end of it to earn that eternal body by choosing Jesus Christ.

What are we talking about when it says "the rest of the dead"? The difference in taking part in the first resurrection or not taking part -- which hinges on whether or not they were deceived by the Antichrist. Remember, John has been taken in the Spirit to the last day before Christ's return. Revelation 20 is talking about that specific day when the last trump sounds, and Jesus Christ our Lord is returning with His saints to the earth. This verse is not addressing those who died 50, 100, or at any time from any century prior to the sounding of the seventh trump. It is addressing the generation (our generation) who will live in the time of the seven seals, and those who will see some take Satan's mark (the mark of the beast) and give service to him.


Revelation 20:12"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

Notice there are two sets of books here. The first called "The Books" is to judge the unsaved. The second is the "Book of Life" where only the names of the saved are recorded. The saved have had their sins removed from God's judgment and booted out. Though they were committed, the blood of Christ has covered them from being used against us.

Notice how all souls are judged "according to their works". Does it talk about faith here after the Millennium? No. The "great white throne judgment" will not take faith into consideration. The first resurrection takes faith into consideration. That was back on "the Lord's day". That was Jesus Christ's "great day". On the last day of the Millennium age, souls are judged by works only.

Why are you judged for works only? Faith is something hoped for but unseen. You don't see Jesus Christ on earth today, you will see his wonderful works, and be led by Him and His Spirit in the Millennium age. Today He is in heaven and not walking on this earth. However, in the millennium, He will be on earth, and all will have full intelligence, with full recall and will be taught. The Heavenly Father honors all those with grace, that have accepted His Son by faith through repentance without Christ's physical presence here on earth, if you believed in His Word.

To those who are not under grace in the Millennium, their salvation will be only through and by their works. For faith doesn't exist to them. There will be no ignorance, physical handicap, for you will see, know, and experience Our Lord first hand.
If you follow the Antichrist, the first Christ to appear, you will have forfeited your salvation in this earth age. You will not be under the grace of God, and your works will be the only thing that matters on the last day of the Millennium, the day of judgment. They will be judged by works alone, for they have seen Jesus Christ, and are without excuse. The "rapture theory" leaves believers defenseless against Satan, for they will be taken in by Satan's deceptions.

 

[Old Timer]

There is probably a shred of truth to it, Jesus warns at in the Olivet Discourse to flee Jerusalem when they see in threatened with siege. Dispensationalists often refer to this as overlapping fulfillments, partially fulfilled but the final fulfillment comes well in the future.

Some people just can't handle the predictive element of apocylptic prophecy. As far as I can tell their bias is predicated on naturalistic assumptions, there may be exceptions but I have yet to see one.

Grace and peace,
Mark

There's no question about the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70 foretold in scripture.

Although if you're going to tell me that this is when Christ came and the dead were all raised then sorry Mark, all that I could say to that is that it's one of the most outrageous lies sown by the father of lies himself, along with the rulers of the darkness of this world.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Yes, there will be two groups of people in the 1000 year period . Those with glorified bodies and those with mortal bodies. Those with glorified bodies include the church and the tribulation martyrs .Those with the mortal bodies are divided into 2 groups ( Jews and Gentiles).

The way that I understand it, the people that die in the millennium who are right with God, will receive a glorified body at the start of the new heavens and new earth , fit for eternity . Rev 21:4-5," there will be no death, all things are made new".

The resurrections fall in stages. 1) at the rapture 2) tribulation martyrs 3) Old Testament saints . All will receive glorified bodies but at different times.

There will be no more war during the 10oo year period .however, satan will be released at the bed of the 1000 years to try those in the earth. Rev 20:7-10

There is also a resurrection of the wicked.( great white throne judgement )rev 20:11

You are correct except there will be not one righteous person die in the millennium. Only the wicked will die in the millennium, and they will die age 100.....Isaiah 65

Whoever dies in the millennial reign will die in their own sins, and no more Ark of the covenant or Atonement evermore, and for the sinners in that Millennial Sabbath, there will be no redemption for them at all -just the curse of the second death.

The gleanings of the first resurrection [tribulation martyrs] who are resurrected when Jesus returns to set up His kingdom on earth are the end of the first resurrection to life. That will never happen again, and not one soul who dies in the millennial reign will have a hope for the resurrection to life.

It will be like it was to have been for Adam and his sons in the beginning before the fall: they will live their allotted days in communion with heaven and the saints and holy Watcher angels, and be transformed for the glory when their days are fulfilled, and they will be the sons of God created to "plant the heavens"; and it seems to be a forever cycle that God has established for getting sons for His Glory to indwell of the human being kind, as it was intended to be when He created Adam male and female for the purpose of getting sons of God for the planting fo the heavens Malachi 2:15.

After they fulfill their days they do not die, but they are transformed like the raptured saints who are alive and remain when the LORD returns to set up His kingdom on earth are transformed.

Isa 51:16 And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.

The Covenant to Israel is for a thousand generations....and since the generations will live their thousand year day, in the Millennial reign, and then after the regeneration of the heavens and the earth -after the Sabbath of earth, when Adam will be no more, as to the Adam spirit/nature, of the human being kind flesh, but the New Man spirit will be in all who enter that eternal kingdom, but Israel is the name of the New Man who will inherit the earth and plant the heavens; and all the signs in all the promises for Israel will be fulfilled, forever; for they were given to them as the sign nation, and then it seems like the heavens will be planted from human being sons of God born on earth -as it was to have been in Adam, in the beginning- and transformed for the glory from the earth, generation upon generation forever and forever -at least for a million years!

Psa 105:8 He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.

Deu 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;


1Ch 16:15 Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations;

Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days:

for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

The "child dying" age 100 is the accursed [death sentence], sinner, in the Hebrew.

Another thing that is curious is that the earth will no more cover her slain, after the first resurrection is ended -Isaiah 26:19-21; but then, those corpses burning and looked upon are curious....I have thought I had that one settled in my mind, but I am not so sure....



Isa 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

In the millennial reign:
Isa 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Enoch tells where those corpses are. They are in a chasm where they are cast which is opened on one border of the Holy Land...so it is interesting...

The Last Judgment
The Book of Enoch, Translated by Robert H. Charles, 1912
20"And I saw till a throne was erected in the pleasant land, and the Lord of the sheep sat Himself thereon, and the other took the sealed books and opened those books before the Lord of the sheep.

21"And the Lord called those men the seven first white ones, and commanded that they should bring before Him, beginning with the first star which led the way, all the stars whose privy members were like those of horses, and they
brought them all before Him. [Azazel and his companions in the fall]


22"And He said to that man who wrote before Him, being one of those seven white ones, and said unto him: 'Take those seventy shepherds [the rulers and principalities of darkness, over earth, who rule in the heavenlies]
to whom I delivered the sheep [the nation of Israel dispersed among the nations],
and who taking them on their own authority slew more than I commanded them.'

23"And behold they were all bound, I saw, and they all stood before Him.

24And the judgement was held first over the stars [the fallen Watcherswho are chained in Sheol], and they were judged and found guilty, and went to the place of condemnation, and they were cast into an abyss, full of fire and flaming, and full of pillars of fire [The Lake of Fire].
25And those seventy shepherds were judged and found guilty, and they were cast into that fiery abyss.

26And I saw at that time how a like abyss was opened in the midst of the earth, full of fire, and they brought those blinded sheep[the rebels of Jacob's seed, judged at Sinai after being gathered by angels and brought to stand there], and they were all judged and found guilty and cast into this fiery abyss, and they burned; now this abyss was to the right of that house. 27And I saw those sheep burning and their bones burning.
28"And I stood up to see till they folded up that old house; and carried off all the pillars, and all the beams and ornaments of the house were at the same time folded up with it, and they carried it off and laid it in a place in the south of the land.
29"And I saw till the Lord of the sheep brought a new house greater and loftier than that first, and set it up in the place of the first which had been folded up: all its pillars were new, and its ornaments were new and larger than those of the first, the old one which He had taken away, and all the sheep were within it.

30"And I saw all the sheep which had been left, and all the beasts on the earth, and all the birds of the heaven, falling down and doing homage to those sheep and making petition to and obeying them in every thing.
31"And thereafter those three who were clothed in white and had seized me by my hand who had taken me up before, and the hand of that ram also seizing hold of me, they took me up and set me down in the midst of those sheep before the judgement took place.


The Blessings to Come
32"And those sheep were all white, and their wool was abundant and clean. 33And all that had been destroyed and dispersed, and all the beasts of the field, and all the birds of the heaven, assembled in that house, and the Lord of the sheep rejoiced with great joy because they were all good and had returned to His house. 34And I saw till they laid down that sword, which had been given to the sheep, and they brought it back into the house, and it was sealed before the presence of the Lord, and all the sheep were invited into that house, but it held them not. 35And the eyes of them all were opened, and they saw the good, and there was not one among them that did not see. 36And I saw that that house was large and broad and very full.

 

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Old Timer

I think that many folks may get caught up in the fact that Paul speaks of the resurrection as a spiritual body, although that does not necessarily mean that it does not have flesh and bone. In fact, the church of God is described as his flesh and bone. When the LORD rose bodily from the grave he said plainly that he has flesh and bone.

There's not a doubt in my mind that his body was a spiritual body. He could appear to men and even come through locked doors, and he had flesh and bone.

And yes, you have made it perfectly clear that you deny the bodily resurrection of the dead which is the fundamental truth of the gospel.

Had to get this out

1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
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What those words mean is a mystery to those who are "of the earth." They simply cannot relinquish the flesh and the "natural body."
It doesn't matter what I teach. But when we point to God's Word, that is worthy of your consideration. Here is what God's word says. If you can't receive these words, I can't be of any help to you. Here is what "this mortal must put on immortality," means:

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
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Those are God's word's. I dare not add to or take away from them. "Flesh and blood ["our literal NATURAL BODY is not resurrected"] cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
Now I know how hard it is to accept the fact that we actually have to give up this corruptible flesh. I too, used to try to point to that hole-filled body that Christ showed to His faithless apostles as 'scriptural proof' that we would all be given "spiritual bodies of flesh."
"A spirit has not flesh and bone as you see I have." I too, thought that this was a scripture which proved that if flesh and blood could not inherit the kingdom of God, then at least flesh and bone could. What utter foolishness! That whole story of how Christ had to show His desecrated body still bearing the holes of the spear and nails had nothing to do with proving that we would be given a body of "flesh and bone." The exact opposite is true:

Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
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Do you insist on a natural body? Thomas did. But what is the truth of God's Word? You say "If our literal NATURAL BODY is not resurrected, then how can "this MORTAL put on immortality?" Are we resurrected with a "natural body?:

1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
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Now what does "it is raised a spiritual body" mean? Does it mean it is raised a spiritual, natural body? No, "there is a natural body and there is a spiritual body." But can't it be both at the same time? Why don't we let Christ answer that for us:

Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
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Sorry, I dare not add to or take away from those words. This mortal puts on immortal only by giving up "that which is born of the flesh", which is flesh and putting on that which is born of the spirit, which is spirit.
No, I do not teach that our flesh will be raised at the resurrection. I can only agree with Christ "that which is born of the spirit is spirit" and with God's word that "the soul that sinneth it shall die"

Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

So what does this spiritual body look like to a mortal man? More bad news for those who love this flesh.

Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
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Like our Father, we will be invisible to the natural eyes. Yet we are told "blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God."
Here is what it all boils down to:

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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At this moment you seem to be right there with Nicodemus. Christ explained it all to him, and the very next verse gives us the response that you, Nicodemus and the entire orthodox Christian word asks:

Joh 3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
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I pray that God will give you eyes to see the "hidden...things of the spirit."

1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
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Mike

What Is A Resurrected Body?
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