The Lord's day.

[Elder 111]

You think so? He created Holy Traditions.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Mat 15
Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, 2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

 

[Sophrosyne]

Jesus rejected tradition. I will too.

No you don't..... worshiping on the Sabbath is a tradition as it is not commanded in the Bible.

 

[bugkiller]

Silly. If the week of 7 days starts at 1 what does that make the 8th day of the month? I think it is also the first day of the next week. Our calendar doesn't number every week from 1 to 7. Eight in the Bible is symbolic of a new beginning.

Eight is a very interesting symbolic subject in the Scripture.

bugkiller

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

Eight is a very interesting symbolic subject in the Scripture.

bugkiller

In Scripture, numbers have significance, this is true, but what is more significant, is that there is no weekly 8th anything, not in type, or prophecy.

As another erroneously attempted by saying earlier,

"If the week of 7 days starts at 1 what does that make the 8th day of the month? I think it is also the first day of the next week. Our calendar doesn't number every week from 1 to 7."
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Yet, we see by that statement it is not the 8th day of the week {which is 7 days long, in all of Scripture}, but of the Month. And if we continue with that persons math and logic, the following weekly first day {of 7}, would be not another 8th, but rather the 15th, and the following first day of the week, a 22nd, and the following weeks {of 7 days} first day would be the 29th.

No matter how one attempts it calendrically, there is no such thing as every first day of the week being an 8th day of anything, especially since the Scripture declares the language of "first [day] of the week", and nothing about an "eighth", and in the Greek, the culmination is the 7th, the Sabbath of the Lord thy God, and again not an mystical gnostic eighth.

They think that by saying, "Our calendar doesn't number every week from 1 to 7" solves the problem, when yet, it destroys their position, seeing as how they must use the Biblical week {1-7} to arrive at their conclusion, only to turn around and cast it away, yet still holding to an 8th day of the week error.

These are but futile attempts at justifying the gnostic ogdoad, without admitting that is the real origin of it. Why not just admit it, and cease from trying to force Scripture to mutate to it, those that first advocated it did so, and it was only later attempted to be justified through Scripture after the fact of its adoption.

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

From Holy Tradition that you will never find in scripture. Like many other things that someone might want to know about Christianity.

Snip from:

Lord's Day - OrthodoxWiki

"Eighth Day ... It is a weekly celebration of Pascha."

There we have it... not from scripture, but from Patristics and liturgics.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Hey, question if you do not mind.

Jesus ate with the Disciples on Thursday night. Jesus Died Friday afternoon, which was the Passover day. Jesus remained in the Tomb on Sabbath.

Why do you call Sunday {"the first [day] of the week"} the Pascha? Sunday is too late...

The Definition for Pascha, from Orthodox Wiki is as follows:

"... Pascha is a transliteration of the Greek word, which is itself a transliteration of the Hebrew pesach, both words meaning Passover. (A minority of English-speaking Orthodox prefer the English word 'Pasch.')"- http://orthodoxwiki.org/Pascha
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Passover means:

"... the Passover was a family festival. It was celebrated at night, at the full moon of the vernal equinox, the 14th of the month of Abib or of the corn (called Nisan after the exile). ..." - Passover - OrthodoxWiki
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Paul is clear that Jesus was the Passover at His death:

Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 1 Corinthians 5:7
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And that in His resurrection, He is then the Firstfruits, which would fit perfectly with typology and prophecy.

But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 1 Corinthians 15:20

But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 1 Corinthians 15:23
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How is Christ the Passover/Pascha on the First Day of the week? Please explain using Scripture. Then explain how you come to a weekly event using Scripture.

 

[prodromos]

In Scripture, numbers have significance, this is true, but what is more significant, is that there is no weekly 8th anything, not in type, or propecy

You must have missed the part about the eighth day stepping outside of the temporal cycle of seven days. You are making a strawman argument since no one has made any attempt to claim there is an eighth day of the week. The eighth day trancends the weekly cycle.

 

[Elder 111]

No you don't..... worshiping on the Sabbath is a tradition as it is not commanded in the Bible.

Not stealing is a Tradition Not committing adultery is a Tradition? God's Holy Ten commandments are Traditions? That is blasphemy!

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Hey, question if you do not mind.

Jesus ate with the Disciples on Thursday night. Jesus Died Friday afternoon, which was the Passover day. Jesus remained in the Tomb on Sabbath.

Why do you call Sunday {"the first [day] of the week"} the Pascha? Sunday is too late...

The Definition for Pascha, from Orthodox Wiki is as follows:

"... Pascha is a transliteration of the Greek word, which is itself a transliteration of the Hebrew pesach, both words meaning Passover. (A minority of English-speaking Orthodox prefer the English word 'Pasch.')"- Pascha - OrthodoxWiki
​

Passover means:

"... the Passover was a family festival. It was celebrated at night, at the full moon of the vernal equinox, the 14th of the month of Abib or of the corn (called Nisan after the exile). ..." - Passover - OrthodoxWiki
​

Paul is clear that Jesus was the Passover at His death:

Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 1 Corinthians 5:7
​

And that in His resurrection, He is then the Firstfruits, which would fit perfectly with typology and prophecy.

But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 1 Corinthians 15:20

But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 1 Corinthians 15:23
​

How is Christ the Passover/Pascha on the First Day of the week? Please explain using Scripture. Then explain how you come to a weekly event using Scripture.

I'm not going to use scripture.

Are you not clear on the idea that Christianity 'took' and 'changed' meanings from what was Jewish? We admit it.. it is intentional.

The Lord's Passover (Pascha) is not the same as the Jewish Passover. Never was, never will be. One is the foreshadowing of the other. The former has been replaced.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Not stealing is a Tradition Not committing adultery is a Tradition? God's Holy Ten commandments are Traditions? That is blasphemy!

Why don't you address my post about the tradition of worshiping on the Sabbath?

 

[prodromos]

Not stealing is a Tradition Not committing adultery is a Tradition? God's Holy Ten commandments are Traditions? That is blasphemy!

I think the point Sophrosyne was making, was that the ten commandments do not state to worship God specifically on the Sabbath.

 

[VictorC]

No you don't..... worshiping on the Sabbath is a tradition as it is not commanded in the Bible.

Not stealing is a Tradition Not committing adultery is a Tradition? God's Holy Ten commandments are Traditions? That is blasphemy!

Sophrosyne's post uses verbs in the present tense, and is as accurate as I can tell. Agreeing with the Law and its limited jurisdiction isn't 'blasphemy'. On the other hand, usurping components of another nation's covenant and following an unholy rendition of them is a presumption on Elder111's part.

 

[from scratch]

In Scripture, numbers have significance, this is true, but what is more significant, is that there is no weekly 8th anything, not in type, or prophecy.

As another erroneously attempted by saying earlier,

"If the week of 7 days starts at 1 what does that make the 8th day of the month? I think it is also the first day of the next week. Our calendar doesn't number every week from 1 to 7."
​

Yet, we see by that statement it is not the 8th day of the week {which is 7 days long, in all of Scripture}, but of the Month. And if we continue with that persons math and logic, the following weekly first day {of 7}, would be not another 8th, but rather the 15th, and the following first day of the week, a 22nd, and the following weeks {of 7 days} first day would be the 29th.

No matter how one attempts it calendrically, there is no such thing as every first day of the week being an 8th day of anything, especially since the Scripture declares the language of "first [day] of the week", and nothing about an "eighth", and in the Greek, the culmination is the 7th, the Sabbath of the Lord thy God, and again not an mystical gnostic eighth.

They think that by saying, "Our calendar doesn't number every week from 1 to 7" solves the problem, when yet, it destroys their position, seeing as how they must use the Biblical week {1-7} to arrive at their conclusion, only to turn around and cast it away, yet still holding to an 8th day of the week error.

These are but futile attempts at justifying the gnostic ogdoad, without admitting that is the real origin of it. Why not just admit it, and cease from trying to force Scripture to mutate to it, those that first advocated it did so, and it was only later attempted to be justified through Scripture after the fact of its adoption.

I brought the subject up. I'm not arguing for an 8 day week as I've already shown. Everyone knows the standard week has 7 days. The month however does have 8 days. Thus if the week starts at 1 the day after the 7th is the first day of the next week also known as the 8th day of the month and the first day of the week.

Your logic for against the 8th day falls very flat. Most every month has 4 full 7 day weeks with days that are consecutively numbered starting at 1. We don't start at 1 every week.

To say the only thing under discussion is the first of the week of the month is fallacious and untrue.

This isn't based on the Egyptian Ogdoad religious practices based in Hermopolis, Egypt. My discussion is based on the Bible with a sure foundation. So you've violated the 9th commandment about bearing false witness.

 

[from scratch]

double post

 

[from scratch]

You must have missed the part about the eighth day stepping outside of the temporal cycle of seven days. You are making a strawman argument since no one has made any attempt to claim there is an eighth day of the week. The eighth day trancends the weekly cycle.

 

[from scratch]

Not stealing is a Tradition Not committing adultery is a Tradition? God's Holy Ten commandments are Traditions? That is blasphemy!

The 4th commandment says nothing about worship.

 

[from scratch]

I'm not going to use scripture.

Are you not clear on the idea that Christianity 'took' and 'changed' meanings from what was Jewish? We admit it.. it is intentional.

The Lord's Passover (Pascha) is not the same as the Jewish Passover. Never was, never will be. One is the foreshadowing of the other. The former has been replaced.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

I think you're celebrating the Passover and it makes perfect sense to celebrate a victory after it happens and not while it happens. Jesus isn't the Passover. Jesus is the Passover Lamb. Quite a difference. Probably should be placed with a quote from your heckler.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I think you're celebrating the Passover and it makes perfect sense to celebrate a victory after it happens and not while it happens. Jesus isn't the Passover. Jesus is the Passover Lamb. Quite a difference. Probably should be placed with a quote from your heckler.

We are not celebrating the 'Jewish Passover'. Just want to make that clear.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[Cribstyl]

What God explained in Ex20 is........



Exd 20:8
¶ Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Some people fail to see this as a complete sentence and a military style command. They dismantle the sentence by defining what ; "remember" or what "remember the sabbath day" could mean. They leave out the whole phrase.Their commentary is design take to you back to creation.

Moses resolves many questions about the 4th commandment.

First Moses claims;
Deu 5:4
The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
Deu 5:5
(I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to shew you the word of the LORD: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount; saying,

We read above that Moses said,
A) God talked to you face to face.
B) I stood between you and God
C) I told what God said.
Deu 5:12
¶ Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.

A couple of the definitons of the word 'remember' is 'continue' or 'keep from now on'
Moses, not only makes it clear that God meant 'keep', he said that God commanded you to keep the sabbath holy.
Deu5:12 clear explains that Ex20:8 was the commandment to keep the sabbath holy.
The discussion about 'remember creation' is a false teaching related to this text.
The fact that when God tells them WHY they should keep the sabbath day holy Exd 20:11 .....is when He takes us back to His resting on the seventh day.

 

[from scratch]

We are not celebrating the 'Jewish Passover'. Just want to make that clear.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Who said you were?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I think you're celebrating the Passover and it makes perfect sense to celebrate a victory after it happens and not while it happens. Jesus isn't the Passover. Jesus is the Passover Lamb. Quite a difference. Probably should be placed with a quote from your heckler.

We are not celebrating the 'Jewish Passover'. Just want to make that clear.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Wasn't the passover the event of the LORD sending the destroying angel to kill the first born of Egypt?

Exodus 12:23 And YAHWEH passes to strike the Egyptians and He sees the blood on the lintel and on two of the jambs and YAHWEH passes-over/06452 pacach the portal
and not He shall allow the ruiner/destroyer/07843 shachath to come to houses of ye to strike.
[Luke 21:28/Revelation 9:11]

1 Corinthians 5:7 cleanse out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, according as ye are unleavened.
For also our passover/pasca <3957> for us was sacrificed--Christ,

http://www.christianforums.com/t7546156/#post57046782
The keeping of passover



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