The Lord's day.

The Lord' s day is Sunday.

  • There is biblical evidence that Sunday is the Lord's day.

  • There is no biblical evidence that Sunday is the Lord's day.

  • I don't care if Sunday is the Lord's day or not.


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VictorC

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In order to support Lord's day refers to Sunday, it seems that the Sabbath has to be dismissed.

You have yet to show us where God ever gave the sabbath to the Gentiles living in Barbados (or elsewhere). It is impossible to dismiss something you weren't given in the first place.
 
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If the Sabbath was not make at creation when was it make? What does Genesis 2:2-3 refer to?
You don't wish to know. So why are you asking?
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
If God did not refer to Creation seventh day rest in the 4th Commandment what did He refer to?

10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
 
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You do realize that it was God that was speaking in Ex. 20, and that He it is that tied the Sabbath to the Seventh day and the creation.
What God explained in Ex20 is........



Exd 20:8
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
(Some people fail to see this as a complete sentence or as bold command. So, they dismantle the sentence to inject commentary, by claiming; "remember or "remember the sabbath day" takes you back to creation. Jewish Rabbi say that Ex20:8 is the commandment. In the same commandment in Deut 5, Moses proves what God meant.....
Deut 5:12Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
..............................................................................................
Exd 20:9
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
(Here God begins to explain HOW to keep it holy)
Exd 20:10
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
( If God said not to do any work, why should SDA teach that good works are permissable?)
Exd 20:11
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
(This verse God explains "WHY" to keep the the sabbath. In explaining 'WHY' to keep the sabbath is when we find God taking us back to creation. God comfirms exact words of Genesis 1-2:1-3 that He rested on the seventh day. There is no reason to say that God rested on the sabbath day. The pivitol word 'WHEREFORE' mean "this is why".
The scriptures teaches; Because God rested on the seventh day, you(COI) must keep the sabbath day holy.
 
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What God explained in Ex20 is........



Exd 20:8
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
(Some people fail to see this as a complete sentence or as bold command. So, they dismantle the sentence to inject commentary, by claiming; "remember or "remember the sabbath day" takes you back to creation. Jewish Rabbi say that Ex20:8 is the commandment. In the same commandment in Deut 5, Moses proves what God meant.....
Deut 5:12Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
..............................................................................................
Exd 20:9
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
(Here God begins to explain HOW to keep it holy)
Exd 20:10
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
( If God said not to do any work, why should SDA teach that good works are permissable?)
Exd 20:11
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
(This verse God explains "WHY" to keep the the sabbath. In explaining 'WHY' to keep the sabbath is when we find God taking us back to creation. God comfirms exact words of Genesis 1-2:1-3 that He rested on the seventh day. There is no reason to say that God rested on the sabbath day. The pivitol word 'WHEREFORE' mean "this is why".
The scriptures teaches; Because God rested on the seventh day, you(COI) must keep the sabbath day holy.
Did not Jesus do good works on the Sabbath?
 
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This is what I call the Q (question) game. I take time to give responses while you wear me out with questions. Man up and dispute my arguments.:cool:
I did. The only answer to the question is yes. Did Jesus make His point the same way? With question that is.
Mark 3:
3 And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.
4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
 
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I did. The only answer to the question is yes. Did Jesus make His point the same way? With question that is.
Mark 3:
3 And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.
4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.

I was interested in seeing a reply to the actual content of Cribstyl's post. You ignored most of it, including the initial point regarding the commandment itself. And you still haven't responded to my point that you were never given the sabbath in the first place.
 
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What law [Heb 7:12] changed?

God be gracious to me a sinner.
See the context of the previous verse, even "...the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,)..." {vs 11} We see it was that 'law' which was given 'under' the 'Levitical priesthood'. When the Ten Commandments were spoken by God over all, even from Heaven, there was no Levitical priesthood yet called by God, see Ex 28:1. It speaks of the 'carnal commandment' associated with that priesthood, yet we know that the 10 C are 'spiritual' {Rom 7:14}, not carnal {Heb 9:10}.
 
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See the context of the previous verse, even "...the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,)..." {vs 11} We see it was that 'law' which was given 'under' the 'Levitical priesthood'. When the Ten Commandments were spoken by God over all, even from Heaven, there was no Levitical priesthood yet called by God, see Ex 28:1. It speaks of the 'carnal commandment' associated with that priesthood, yet we know that the 10 C are 'spiritual' {Rom 7:14}, not carnal {Heb 9:10}.

I'm sorry but you can't keep a Sabbath Day with your spirit, it takes the flesh to comply properly with it.
 
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I was interested in seeing a reply to the actual content of Cribstyl's post. You ignored most of it, including the initial point regarding the commandment itself. And you still haven't responded to my point that you were never given the sabbath in the first place.
We have all or nothing.
What do I mean? We have not been given anything of God, they were only given to the Jews/Israel. John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Even Jesus and the disciples we Jews.
We have been given all that were given to the Jews including Jesus who was a Jew. We have been grafted into the they tree and all that pertained to them pertains to us. Romans 11:

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
So we are faced with nothing or all. No Ten commandments or all. Let me know which you choose. Remember it also includes Jesus or no Jesus. All or none.
 
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We have all or nothing.
What do I mean? We have not been given anything of God, they were only given to the Jews/Israel. John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Even Jesus and the disciples we Jews.
We have been given all that were given to the Jews including Jesus who was a Jew. We have been grafted into the they tree and all that pertained to them pertains to us. Romans 11:

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

This doesn't address Cribstyl's point that the actual commandment in Exodus 20:8 is to keep the sabbath holy. There isn't any allowance for a carnal rendition that isn't compliant with the Law driving the ordinances of the sabbath.

So we are faced with nothing or all. No Ten commandments or all. Let me know which you choose. Remember it also includes Jesus or no Jesus. All or none.

You're forming an argument with no support at all. Since Jesus redeemed us from the Law that held us in the past tense (this comes from the same epistle), being His adopted child and heir to His promises is mutually exclusive to retention by the old covenant. You can follow Judaism or Christianity, but synthesizing the two into a hybrid is a oxymoron that doesn't exist outside your carnal imagination.
 
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See the context of the previous verse, even "...the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,)..." {vs 11} We see it was that 'law' which was given 'under' the 'Levitical priesthood'. When the Ten Commandments were spoken by God over all, even from Heaven, there was no Levitical priesthood yet called by God, see Ex 28:1. It speaks of the 'carnal commandment' associated with that priesthood, yet we know that the 10 C are 'spiritual' {Rom 7:14}, not carnal {Heb 9:10}.


Not a chance in hell that this includes fulfillment of the fourth commandment huh?

Gotta face it, you guys have an answer for everything. Wrong, but you've got an answer.

God be gracious to me a sinner.
 
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Not a chance in hell that this includes fulfillment of the fourth commandment huh?

Gotta face it, you guys have an answer for everything. Wrong, but you've got an answer.

God be gracious to me a sinner.
Brother,

Your first question carries a faulty implication, which is to say as if the 10 Commandments of God could ever be filled up to where they never needed to be obeyed again once someone, anyone, obeyed them fully in every aspect. The 10C are not an empty water jug to simply be filled once, and then placed to the side. They are the standard{s} of life. Jesus demonstrated this in His life. He is not only our propitiation, but also our example, that even as He lived, so too by Him, we may also, see John 6.

Yes, we, Seventh-day Adventists, do have the answers, and this is because they are given from above, even by the Holy Spirit, who directs us to the pattern He gave in the OT, through the Sanctuary.

Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God? Psalms 77:13

Consider again, that the Levitical priesthood was merely temporary, but that a far and exceeding greater priesthood, that of Christ Jesus was to minster for us, over the same broken Law of God, the Ten Commandments. The Levitical priesthood and shadows/types associated with it, were but pointing to Christ's own. - http://www.christianforums.com/t7791226-7/#post64634695
 
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Brother,

Your first question carries a faulty implication, which is to say as if the 10 Commandments of God could ever be filled up to where they never needed to be obeyed again once someone, anyone, obeyed them fully in every aspect. The 10C are not an empty water jug to simply be filled once, and then placed to the side. They are the standard{s} of life. Jesus demonstrated this in His life. He is not only our propitiation, but also our example, that even as He lived, so too by Him, we may also, see John 6.

Yes, we, Seventh-day Adventists, do have the answers, and this is because they are given from above, even by the Holy Spirit, who directs us to the pattern He gave in the OT, through the Sanctuary.

Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God? Psalms 77:13

Consider again, that the Levitical priesthood was merely temporary, but that a far and exceeding greater priesthood, that of Christ Jesus was to minster for us, over the same broken Law of God, the Ten Commandments. The Levitical priesthood and shadows/types associated with it, were but pointing to Christ's own. - http://www.christianforums.com/t7791226-7/#post64634695
How does the jive with your God changes not position?
 
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I did. The only answer to the question is yes. Did Jesus make His point the same way? With question that is.
Mark 3:
3 And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.
4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
Your statement saying that God linked Sabbath to creation is a what was disputed by my post. Your question was a diversion.
The scripture in EX20 said that God rested on the seventh day, not that God rested on the Sabbath day. This scripture proves that God was commanding only the Children of Israel to keep the Sabbath because He had rested on the seventh day. SDA try to fabricate a creation ordinance with scriptures that say that God rested on the seventh day. You're not being accountable for your statements. God's word is truth but your commentary is SDA doctrine.....spoken from another prophet that you're failing to reference. ;)
 
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[...]The scripture in EX20 said that God rested on the seventh day, not that God rested on the Sabbath day.[...]
What? The Seventh day is the day God rested, which makes it the Sabbath of God.
"...the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:..."
It is written that:
"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy."​
"Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:"

"..."
Why are we, the children {Jhn 13:33, 21:5; Rom 8:16,17,21, 9:8,26,27; Jam 1:1; Rev 7:4, 21:12} of Israel {Hos 11:1; Matt 2:15; Heb 2:10}, to 'keep it {the Sabbath day, the seventh day} holy"? Because we are to follow the command and example of our LORD.
"For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."
We are to 'keep it holy', because God Himself 'blessed' and 'hallowed' it, even sanctifying it.

Consider the 7,000 year plan of God, and come to understand the Gospel - http://www.christianforums.com/t7790165/
 
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I will like the 27 person, that are saying there is biblical evidence that Sunday is the Lord's, to know that is not so.
From Genesis to Revelation there is nothing to indicate Sunday as the Lord's day. It is Baal's day. Sun worship day, but not God's.
 
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What? The Seventh day is the day God rested, which makes it the Sabbath of God.
"...the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:..."
It is written that:
"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy."​
"Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:"

"..."
What you have not perceived is that the Sabbath rest was prophetic.
God is spirit, He does not get tired or need to rest, rest pertains to the flesh.
Thus, the Sabbath rest was pointing forward to the time when God came in the flesh, when Christ finished the work of salvation and 'rested' in the tomb on the Sabbath.
But after fulfilling the Sabbath, Christ rose on the 'eighth' day which is prefigured many times in the Old Testament, and this eighth day is a day without end. It is an eternal day. It breaks free from the endless cycle of 7 days which is temporal and enters into eternity.

This is the day that the Lord has made.
 
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